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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2015 10:24:14 GMT -5
Fortunately, for the vast majority of the posters here, we have alternatives when the baseball season begins. It's been a while since I've actually listened to Don & Jerry during the season and I anticipate it's going to be a long while before I do again.
For NESN, etc, it really doesn't matter, we don't see their advertisements anyways. Also, heaven forbid we should be influenced by the National Anthem.
ADD: Here's an example, I'm born and raised in New England but haven't lived there for a long time. I watch a ton of baseball. I have absolutely no idea what W.E. Mason is.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 14, 2015 10:34:09 GMT -5
W.B. Mason
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2015 10:45:06 GMT -5
Ah, OK, that's different.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 14, 2015 10:53:08 GMT -5
I so glad I wasn't the only one who was so annoyed last night watching the game. Orsillo is really just the straight man for Remy (or is it the other way around?). Neither really give us much useful information. The charity work is great and I get promoting it some, but last night was totally ridiculous. Orsillo, I thought, was supposed to give us the line-up changes, and it was like the game was an after-thought.
Every time I listen to Vince Scully, I think: do the Dodgers fans really know how unbelievably fortunate they have been to have that man (by himself) been so good for so long? And we have the opposite end of that. My favorite broadcasting team in the ALEast is Thorne and Jim Palmer. They are entertaining but quite insightful. Our "team" just jokes around, and a little of that is good, but not this much. I guess NESN figures their act is what most folks want.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 14, 2015 11:16:18 GMT -5
Time for our yearly reminder that this is likely coming from the higher-ups at NESN and not necessarily Don and Jerry. Past experience has shown them to be very capable in what most of us here would like their roles to be. Not saying they're not willing participants though.
I would put a lack of preparation on them, but I think we all agree it's not like their bosses are getting on them for not knowing anything when a guy gets called up or anything like that.
Blame it on those first few genuine moments of comedy (pizza throw, Jerry falling while playing air guitar).
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 14, 2015 11:36:13 GMT -5
Time for our yearly reminder that this is likely coming from the higher-ups at NESN and not necessarily Don and Jerry. Past experience has shown them to be very capable in what most of us here would like their roles to be. Not saying they're not willing participants though. I would put a lack of preparation on them, but I think we all agree it's not like their bosses are getting on them for not knowing anything when a guy gets called up or anything like that. Blame it on those first few genuine moments of comedy (pizza throw, Jerry falling while playing air guitar). I'm sure you are right Chris. I've watched a national game with Don Orsillo doing the commentary and he was better. Not sure how or why this is the broadcast, but it is probably tied into ratings, but I still have that same opinion.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 14, 2015 11:54:41 GMT -5
I so glad I wasn't the only one who was so annoyed last night watching the game. Orsillo is really just the straight man for Remy (or is it the other way around?). Neither really give us much useful information. The charity work is great and I get promoting it some, but last night was totally ridiculous. Orsillo, I thought, was supposed to give us the line-up changes, and it was like the game was an after-thought. Every time I listen to Vince Scully, I think: do the Dodgers fans really know how unbelievably fortunate they have been to have that man (by himself) been so good for so long? And we have the opposite end of that. My favorite broadcasting team in the ALEast is Thorne and Jim Palmer. They are entertaining but quite insightful. Our "team" just jokes around, and a little of that is good, but not this much. I guess NESN figures their act is what most folks want. I get the whole "appealing to the casual fan" angle, but it really feels like the NESN team (Remy in particular) just uses that as an excuse to not talk about baseball, which it shouldn't be. I understand the broadcast isn't going to be geared towards the type of people who read Fangraphs or have opinions on the 50th ranked prospect in the Red Sox system, but we're also in an era where people have so many entertainment choices that anyone turning on a Red Sox game has a significant interest in baseball. The job of the broadcasters is to enhance the game on the field by pointing things out that more casual fans might not see or giving them interesting information or anecdotes about the players they might not know. It's not to distract from the game by talking about what happened during their cab ride last night. What's really annoying is that Orsillo is actually really good at this when paired with a good analyst. Remy checked out years ago though, so all we get is stories from his incredibly fascinating life of eating dinners and taking cab rides.
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Post by danr on Mar 14, 2015 12:22:23 GMT -5
Owens very efficient so far. Any info on the speed of his pitches?
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 14, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5
The inane banter between Remy and Orsillo caused me to turn the NESN sound off a long time ago. It is distracting and annoying. That tandem jumped the shark a long time ago.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 14, 2015 12:36:31 GMT -5
Owens very efficient so far. Any info on the speed of his pitches? Not sure about today, but this very encouraging note was in Edes "Takeaways" blog yesterday:
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 14, 2015 12:45:09 GMT -5
Also, Luke Montz has yet to catch an inning in a game - he's only either played 1B or DH. Don't know if it's related to rehab from his injury last year, or if the Sox don't really see him as a catcher. Would explain why they bothered going out to get both Quintero and Martinez - he's either not a catcher or there may be questions about his ability to do so. @brianmacp: Farrell suggested that if a Vazquez/Hanigan injury created a need for a catcher now or early on, Quintero would get nod ahead of Swihart. Quintero is mentioned as short term depth. Add: Montz did catch bullpens early in ST. www.providencejournal.com/article/20150313/SPORTS/150319601/14009
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Post by tonyc on Mar 14, 2015 19:35:08 GMT -5
There is one exception- scouting the sequences and stuff of a young pitcher
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Post by tonyc on Mar 14, 2015 19:37:34 GMT -5
Steve, agree with you on how insightful Palmer and Thorne are. But if you think Orsillo and Remy digress, do you remember Yankee broadcasts years ago with Rizzuto- endless hellos to people all over the tri-state area.
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 14, 2015 19:45:28 GMT -5
So we've now had 4 Red Sox games in Fort Myers that were not televised at all. Tomorrow, the NESN crew is making a road trip all the way to Clearwater to broadcast a game that I'll be watching on Comcast SportsNet instead...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2015 20:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2015 9:43:16 GMT -5
So when it opens like this it makes me not take the rest of the article seriously. "Though he endured some uncharacteristic control problems" Sorry nothing uncharacteristic about that buddy..
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 15, 2015 9:50:53 GMT -5
So when it opens like this it makes me not take the rest of the article seriously. "Though he endured some uncharacteristic control problems" Sorry nothing uncharacteristic about that buddy.. That were basically Farrell's words
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 15, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -5
I watched the Orioles a lot for that reason last year. It really does make the game more fun to watch. When they played the Red sox, they always did their homework and knew about our players, had insightful things to say.
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Post by jchang on Mar 15, 2015 10:12:02 GMT -5
If you are throwing a pitch that is highly deceptive to the batter, perhaps control problems are not unexpected, otherwise it might not be too deceptive?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 15, 2015 11:33:42 GMT -5
I watched the Orioles a lot for that reason last year. It really does make the game more fun to watch. When they played the Red sox, they always did their homework and knew about our players, had insightful things to say. Gather you are talking about Palmer and Thorne.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 15, 2015 11:49:59 GMT -5
So when it opens like this it makes me not take the rest of the article seriously. "Though he endured some uncharacteristic control problems" Sorry nothing uncharacteristic about that buddy.. That were basically Farrell's words I think those were Farrell's words about Barnes, actually ... I got a chuckle out of Owens's line score (3IP 0H 0R 3BB 3K) because it was such a classic throwback Hank line: unhittable, but plenty of walks. That said, it's not nearly as characteristic of him as it used to be. He cut down on his walks significantly last year, and so far this spring training he's been pretty good. I'm fine with that kind of line when the walks come in one batch where he really loses his mechanics. It's better than a guy who's always behind guys and battling constant control issues. I'm more optimistic about Hank than I ever have been based on this spring. Some of his developmental challenges are being met (mainly, he's getting stronger, adding a MPH or two to his fastball, and sharpening his curve significantly), and I think he's getting there with repeating his mechanics and gaining command/control. I've never *not* believed in him as a good starter, but I think his projection is starting to firm up as a quality starter in MLB. He and Rodriguez are going to be good, I think (although I'm still more excited about Rodriguez).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 15, 2015 12:24:35 GMT -5
I watched the Orioles a lot for that reason last year. It really does make the game more fun to watch. When they played the Red sox, they always did their homework and knew about our players, had insightful things to say. Gather you are talking about Palmer and Thorne. Yeah I live in D.C. but we get the nats and O's here. The Nats guys are really bad though. I also get the MLB Network and ESPN so often I have several games to choose from. I usually have to stream the Red Sox, but they're on MLB Network/ESPN quite a bit.
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