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3/22 - 3/28 Red Sox Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by okin15 on Mar 23, 2015 10:44:13 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been covered in another topic but as of now who is expected to start in RF/CF, and who is going to AAA? Mookie in CF, Victorino in RF, Castillo in AAA. I think that's not the best 25-man roster. I think Castillo is going to surprise people with how good he is. Even though I don't disagree, I'm not sure the club is best served for 2015 by starting Castillo in a platoon situation. He needs reps against both handed pitchers, and AAA may be the best place to get those, even if just for a few weeks. He may also need reps at RF while in Pawtucket, as it doesn't seem they want Betts to worry about playing more than one new position. In all likelihood, Vic or Craig will be gone by mid-may or there will be enough injuries to get Castillo on the big club and playing regularly. Worst case (best case?) scenario is he proves himself in AAA, and comes up as Craig goes down for an extended period to get some reps. That would leave Victorino on the bench the majority of the time I'd hope.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 23, 2015 11:02:40 GMT -5
The other player that is a wild card in terms of freeing up congestion is David Ortiz. He's 39. Blasphemy! I've been fooled into thinking he was done before. Never again. Actually I was thinking about the likelihood of injuries piling up. That could easily free up a lot of ABs, even if they are day to day.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2015 11:05:44 GMT -5
Mookie in CF, Victorino in RF, Castillo in AAA. I think that's not the best 25-man roster. I think Castillo is going to surprise people with how good he is. Even though I don't disagree, I'm not sure the club is best served for 2015 by starting Castillo in a platoon situation. He needs reps against both handed pitchers, and AAA may be the best place to get those, even if just for a few weeks. He may also need reps at RF while in Pawtucket, as it doesn't seem they want Betts to worry about playing more than one new position. In all likelihood, Vic or Craig will be gone by mid-may or there will be enough injuries to get Castillo on the big club and playing regularly. Worst case (best case?) scenario is he proves himself in AAA, and comes up as Craig goes down for an extended period to get some reps. That would leave Victorino on the bench the majority of the time I'd hope. I'd put Castillo in as the regular RF, not a platoon.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 23, 2015 13:16:16 GMT -5
Even though I don't disagree, I'm not sure the club is best served for 2015 by starting Castillo in a platoon situation. He needs reps against both handed pitchers, and AAA may be the best place to get those, even if just for a few weeks. He may also need reps at RF while in Pawtucket, as it doesn't seem they want Betts to worry about playing more than one new position. In all likelihood, Vic or Craig will be gone by mid-may or there will be enough injuries to get Castillo on the big club and playing regularly. Worst case (best case?) scenario is he proves himself in AAA, and comes up as Craig goes down for an extended period to get some reps. That would leave Victorino on the bench the majority of the time I'd hope. I'd put Castillo in as the regular RF, not a platoon. Sign me up for this too! The idea of moving Betts out of center to right so Rusney can play center.....makes no sense at this point. Mookie is really getting comfortable and Castillo has played some right in his life....so much easier all around. Would not be surprised, if Rusney Castillo is our right fielder in May to the end of the season. Hope I'm wrong, but Vic probably will go down with an injury before June. In Pawtucket, let Bradley play center and let Castillo play everyday in right.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 23, 2015 18:33:49 GMT -5
I'd put Castillo in as the regular RF, not a platoon. Sign me up for this too! The idea of moving Betts out of center to right so Rusney can play center.....makes no sense at this point. Mookie is really getting comfortable and Castillo has played some right in his life....so much easier all around. Would not be surprised, if Rusney Castillo is our right fielder in May to the end of the season. Hope I'm wrong, but Vic probably will go down with an injury before June. In Pawtucket, let Bradley play center and let Castillo play everyday in right. Castillo will be sent down even if he hits .600. I am sure that the Sox would like to play Castillo instead of Victorino (younger, faster, stronger) but they will try to get best value for Vic which means he starts until he is either released for non-performance or traded with resurgence. Craig may also be sent down given his options, if no trade is made, in the hope that he can secure higher value, Bradley also goes down...because of options and to also increase value. Our outfield to start the season is Ramirez, Betts, Vic. Nava with Holt as an option. The fix is in.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2015 18:59:46 GMT -5
Sign me up for this too! The idea of moving Betts out of center to right so Rusney can play center.....makes no sense at this point. Mookie is really getting comfortable and Castillo has played some right in his life....so much easier all around. Would not be surprised, if Rusney Castillo is our right fielder in May to the end of the season. Hope I'm wrong, but Vic probably will go down with an injury before June. In Pawtucket, let Bradley play center and let Castillo play everyday in right. Castillo will be sent down even if he hits .600. I am sure that the Sox would like to play Castillo instead of Victorino (younger, faster, stronger) but they will try to get best value for Vic which means he starts until he is either released for non-performance or traded with resurgence. Craig may also be sent down given his options, if no trade is made, in the hope that he can secure higher value, Bradley also goes down...because of options and to also increase value. Our outfield to start the season is Ramirez, Betts, Vic. Nava with Holt as an option. The fix is in. It's extremely unlikely that all three of Castillo, Craig, and Bradley will be optioned to Pawtucket when the team breaks camp. Nava (backup 1B/LF), Holt (everything), and Hanigan (C) should get three of the four bench spots, which means that the competition is four names (Victorino, Craig, Castillo, Bradley) for two spots (the starting RF spot and the backup CF/RF spot) and one of Castillo/Craig/Bradley will make the team as a backup outfielder even if Victorino stays the RF starter.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 23, 2015 19:26:33 GMT -5
Castillo/Craig/Bradley ... which of these is not like the other? Craig backs up 1B, along with LF and RF, and he's (theoretically) a potent righthanded bat. Of course, he may not be, but for roster construction sake, we need to think of him that way because otherwise he's no use to the Sox ... so he's not really in the same conversation. Bradley's not making the team out of spring training, that's for sure. So it's really just Castillo/Victorino, and yeah, it's gonna be Castillo that goes, at least at first.
Personally, I think it's looking unlikely that Victorino holds together physically, though. He's full of bravado, but I think he's clearly not right. I'm not sure what the future holds here, but I highly doubt he's going to build up trade value. My worry is that he tries to tough it out for too long and just kind of occupies a slot on the 25 ...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 7:13:39 GMT -5
Today we get Johnson & Owens backed up by the losers.
Game should be on Gameday audio WINZ miami.
Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb Red Sox at Marlins: Weeks 3B, Pedroia 2B, Ramirez LF, Craig 1B, Cecchini DH, Castillo CF, Bogaerts SS, Bradley RF, Swihart C, Johnson LHP
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Post by kman22 on Mar 24, 2015 7:28:49 GMT -5
Today we get Johnson & Owens backed up by the losers. Game should be on Gameday audio WINZ miami. Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb Red Sox at Marlins: Weeks 3B, Pedroia 2B, Ramirez LF, Craig 1B, Cecchini DH, Castillo CF, Bogaerts SS, Bradley RF, Swihart C, Johnson LHP A RF/CF combo of JBJ and Castillo. I thought it might have been the other way around.
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Post by jmei on Mar 24, 2015 8:28:19 GMT -5
Today we get Johnson & Owens backed up by the losers. Game should be on Gameday audio WINZ miami. Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb Red Sox at Marlins: Weeks 3B, Pedroia 2B, Ramirez LF, Craig 1B, Cecchini DH, Castillo CF, Bogaerts SS, Bradley RF, Swihart C, Johnson LHP A RF/CF combo of JBJ and Castillo. I thought it might have been the other way around. They might just want to give Castillo some CF reps after he played RF yesterday.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 8:46:15 GMT -5
It might also not be so clear cut that Castillo gets the call over JBJ, too early to set things in stone.
According to Tim Britton, Henry Owens and Matt Barnes will follow Brian Johnson.
Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen RedSox Ps @ MIA: Johnson (2.2 IP/48p's), Owens (3+/58), Barnes, Ross, Hinojosa
Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen RedSox Ps in Mil gms at complex v MIN A teams: Tazawa, Boggs, Varvaro, Mujica, Ogando, Paulino, Workman.
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Post by kman22 on Mar 24, 2015 10:47:11 GMT -5
Alex Speier had this quote from Shane Victorino in 108stitches today:
“Any time you can get a No. 1, as I told these guys - not the front office, but the players - any time you can go get a guy in my opinion who is established, who has done it [you do it],” Victorino said. “And I understand you don’t want to give up this prospect or that prospect. You’re hoping this guy becomes a Cole Hamels. Hoping. Oh wait, that guy is there now. And even as a hitter. Why would you hope that guy becomes this hitter, when you have it right now? And I understand there’s a financial side. And there’s a bigger picture. But like I said, at the end of the day, it’s right here in front of you. Why are you hoping?”
He must be feeling the pressure from Betts, JBJ, and Castillo.
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Post by klostrophobic on Mar 24, 2015 10:57:36 GMT -5
Does Victorino really want to go back to Philly that badly?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2015 11:22:16 GMT -5
Alex Speier had this quote from Shane Victorino in 108stitches today: “Any time you can get a No. 1, as I told these guys - not the front office, but the players - any time you can go get a guy in my opinion who is established, who has done it [you do it],” Victorino said. “And I understand you don’t want to give up this prospect or that prospect. You’re hoping this guy becomes a Cole Hamels. Hoping. Oh wait, that guy is there now. And even as a hitter. Why would you hope that guy becomes this hitter, when you have it right now? And I understand there’s a financial side. And there’s a bigger picture. But like I said, at the end of the day, it’s right here in front of you. Why are you hoping?” He must be feeling the pressure from Betts, JBJ, and Castillo. Already sick of the Hamels crap, now I'm sick of the Victorino crap. Don't hurt yourself thinking Shanf.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 24, 2015 11:29:14 GMT -5
Maybe let Ben handle the GM stuff, Shane. I think you've got enough on your plate.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -5
Nice start for Johnson. Two guys that hit .300+ against lefties last year swinging strikeouts then Stanton 1-2 groundout.
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Post by templeusox on Mar 24, 2015 12:19:01 GMT -5
What a tacky thing for him to say. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know how poorly that would sound.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2015 12:27:15 GMT -5
What a tacky thing for him to say. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't know how poorly that would sound. I always have to remember that being one of the best baseball players on the planet (in terms of being able to play in the majors) doesn't mean they're smart. I mean I can almost hear him say "trade these damn prospects so I can keep playing."
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -5
The only thing he could have added to make it sound worse would have been for him to name the pitcher Hamels should replace.
2nd Johnson inning 4 pitch walk, DP, walk, lineout (but might have been a forceout, not sure what the announcer was saying there).
Marlins announcer must be a SoxProspects follower, called Swihart the top prospect.
Announcer: "Swihart doesn't get enough credit for how good his defense is because of how good Vazquez' defense is and Vazquez doesn't get enough credit for his offense because of how good Swihart's offense is".
Swihart doubled in Bradley (infield hit & advance on error) with a ground ruled double. Sox up 1-0.
Craig with a linedrive bases loaded double 4-0 now.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 24, 2015 12:49:14 GMT -5
Alex Speier had this quote from Shane Victorino in 108stitches today: “Any time you can get a No. 1, as I told these guys - not the front office, but the players - any time you can go get a guy in my opinion who is established, who has done it [you do it],” Victorino said. “And I understand you don’t want to give up this prospect or that prospect. You’re hoping this guy becomes a Cole Hamels. Hoping. Oh wait, that guy is there now. And even as a hitter. Why would you hope that guy becomes this hitter, when you have it right now? And I understand there’s a financial side. And there’s a bigger picture. But like I said, at the end of the day, it’s right here in front of you. Why are you hoping?” He must be feeling the pressure from Betts, JBJ, and Castillo. Shane buddy, you answered your own question.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 24, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
Shocking, the 40 year old closer has injury concerns. I have already stated my concerns over the starters but the bullpen is right there too. I'm Hoping Matt Barnes turns into our Wade Davis. Well, I hope he turns into a number 2 starter type but I'd prefer the untouchable bullpen arm to a 4/5 starter type.
I already regret using numbers for the starter description above.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 12:57:49 GMT -5
Johnson BB,sac,run scoring single to right,swinging K,swinging K(Stanton) 4-1 after 3.
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 24, 2015 12:58:02 GMT -5
Announcer: "Swihart doesn't get enough credit for how good his defense is because of how good Vazquez' defense is and Vazquez doesn't get enough credit for his offense because of how good Swihart's offense is". That's smarter than anything Remy or Orsillo has ever said. And I'm not a Remy hater, and a big fan of Orsillo as a play-by-play guy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5
This announcer is well prepared, in the game warmup he said to expect Johnson to work fast. That's not something your getting reading stats.
LOL, but he doesn't call a lot of pitches.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 24, 2015 13:00:45 GMT -5
This announcer is well prepared, in the game warmup he said to expect Johnson to work fast. That's not something your getting reading stats. He's very well prepared indeed. It's refreshing to hear.
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