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3/29 - 4/4 Red Sox Spring Training Gameday Thread
dd
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Post by dd on Apr 1, 2015 23:20:36 GMT -5
I don't remember that game. I was a baseball fan then but not a Red Sox fan. I lived in the Boston area (Framingham) but I was a White Sox fan because I'd moved here from there in '57 at the age of 10. I didn't switch allegiance until my heroes (Fox, Landis, Lollar, Minoso, Pierce, Donovan) were gone from Chicago. Aparicio's coming here in '70 was the clincher. That was real loyalty in those days because it was hard to follow an out of town team before the internet and when even the home games weren't all telecast. Day to day out of town sports news was sparse.
Only saw a couple of games a year in the 60's but did get to see Williams (best hitter ever making up for maybe worst center fielder ever IIRC as a non RS fan) Jensen, Malzone, etc play.
Ah, memories.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2015 9:56:02 GMT -5
Let's hope the Santa incident gave the Easter bunny something to think about, probably best to stay home with your eggs and avoid getting pelted by batteries and assorted beer bottles. I've never understood why the Santa incident is still discussed to this day. He was a drunk a-hole, not the real Santa. He deserved it. And yet Philly gets a worse rap than the SF/LA parking lot murders which seem to happen annually or all the cities that get burned down after a championship. And yeah, this is from someone who lived in Philly for 8 years, so I'm a little biased.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2015 9:57:57 GMT -5
@jmastrodonato: One thing working for Allen Craig this spring: Opposite field. Really nice swing for a double-turned-into-ITPHR due to fielding miscues. Someone should probably tell him that Craig fell of because he couldn't pull the ball. That or Fenway isn't the best place for RHB with opposite field power. That's still concerning because pitchers are going to pound him inside until he can punish those pitches. That's the same issue he had last year. It is kind of funny that he hit an inside the park home run on April 1st.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 2, 2015 10:50:35 GMT -5
They sell liquor and wine elsewhere in stadiums. St. Louis for one.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 2, 2015 11:56:10 GMT -5
I've never understood why the Santa incident is still discussed to this day. He was a drunk a-hole, not the real Santa. He deserved it. And yet Philly gets a worse rap than the SF/LA parking lot murders which seem to happen annually or all the cities that get burned down after a championship. And yeah, this is from someone who lived in Philly for 8 years, so I'm a little biased. From what i remember (based on the ESPN special) he was a college kid who was asked at halftime to fill-in for the original santa because the original santa couldn't make it. And because he either didn't look the part well enough (too skinny) or because Philly fans were pissed as it was a rough football season, they decide to pelt him with snowballs and boo him off the field. (the allegedly 'drunk' santa was the one who didn't show up) Took only 8 years in Philly to hate Santa? I better curtail my cheese steak consumption
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 2, 2015 12:56:33 GMT -5
I've never understood why the Santa incident is still discussed to this day. He was a drunk a-hole, not the real Santa. He deserved it. And yet Philly gets a worse rap than the SF/LA parking lot murders which seem to happen annually or all the cities that get burned down after a championship. And yeah, this is from someone who lived in Philly for 8 years, so I'm a little biased. From what i remember (based on the ESPN special) he was a college kid who was asked at halftime to fill-in for the original santa because the original santa couldn't make it. And because he either didn't look the part well enough (too skinny) or because Philly fans were pissed as it was a rough football season, they decide to pelt him with snowballs and boo him off the field. (the allegedly 'drunk' santa was the one who didn't show up) Took only 8 years in Philly to hate Santa? I better curtail my cheese steak consumption It was before I was born, but it's really one of the most bizarre things that is clung to regarding the fanbase of any city. The horse has been beaten so long it's now just a pile of bone dust. Here's a good article about it: articles.philly.com/2013-01-07/sports/36175737_1_santa-claus-fans-snowballs
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 2, 2015 19:55:56 GMT -5
Uh Napoli did some bad things to that baseball.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 2, 2015 20:40:05 GMT -5
Light on the mound right now..
Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 2, 2015 20:49:12 GMT -5
Light on the mound right now.. He does throw hard ... and I guess that's his split-change that he threw a few times there.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 2, 2015 21:27:16 GMT -5
Light on the mound right now.. He does throw hard ... and I guess that's his split-change that he threw a few times there. I think so. Looks like it has some potential also. Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 3, 2015 6:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Apr 3, 2015 7:00:42 GMT -5
Uh Napoli did some bad things to that baseball. I can't wait to see what a healthy Napoli can do this year.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 3, 2015 7:05:35 GMT -5
Uh Napoli did some bad things to that baseball. I can't wait to see what a healthy Napoli can do this year. I can't wait for all the people who already have different plans for 1B in 2016 (Craig, move HanRam there, move Sandoval there, etc.) to be disappointed.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Apr 3, 2015 7:06:51 GMT -5
The boston media has been dreadful the last few years. The herald and everyone at CSN have such a negative view of this team.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2015 8:20:28 GMT -5
I can't wait to see what a healthy Napoli can do this year. I can't wait for all the people who already have different plans for 1B in 2016 (Craig, move HanRam there, move Sandoval there, etc.) to be disappointed. I hope he signs the QO that he'll get. That would be perfect. But he probably wouldn't. Craig could only hope to recover enough to be almost as good as Napoli.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 3, 2015 11:01:03 GMT -5
I can't wait for all the people who already have different plans for 1B in 2016 (Craig, move HanRam there, move Sandoval there, etc.) to be disappointed. I hope he signs the QO that he'll get. That would be perfect. But he probably wouldn't. Craig could only hope to recover enough to be almost as good as Napoli. Yea I'm on this boat. My expectations are admittedly overinflated this year due to his off season surgery and his monster spring training so far, plus my personal bias, but I think he has been in general underrated. Maybe a redo on his 2 year 16M per contract works for both sides.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 3, 2015 11:22:26 GMT -5
The boston media has been dreadful the last few years. The herald and everyone at CSN have such a negative view of this team. I know what you mean. We all need to realize that in the age of the Internet, traditional media outlets no longer have a monopoly on broadcast dialog. By broadcast I mean cast broadly, as in across the globe (and I don't mean the newspaper). This is the first time in human history that someone out in the middle of nowhere has been able to offer up analysis that might act as a counter-weight to what was once a tightly held franchise on opinion and fact. In lieu of that monopoly, those outlets now deal in controversy and conflict much of it auto-generated as a part of their standard operating procedure. In other words, they make a lot of noise to capture ears and eyeballs, and the noise doesn't have to be true or even consistent. It just has to give them some number they can report back to advertisers. All that said, there's a lot of really good stuff out there in TradMedia, lots of good writers and thinkers. Don't know about all of you, but I've been devouring Speier's 108 Stitches. But they're not the majority and the bad ones don't do their homework. After all, if your setting fires, do you really care what kind of fuel you use?
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Post by jchang on Apr 3, 2015 12:00:07 GMT -5
In another market. 82 wins would be a positive view. In bos anything less than serious WS contention is negative. Also factor the perspective relative to 162 win expectation in 2011.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 3, 2015 19:32:57 GMT -5
Maybe, with the positional adjustment, Mike Trout will be more valuable than Mike Napoli this year.
Maybe.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 3, 2015 21:54:53 GMT -5
I hope he signs the QO that he'll get. That would be perfect. But he probably wouldn't. Craig could only hope to recover enough to be almost as good as Napoli. Yea I'm on this boat. My expectations are admittedly overinflated this year due to his off season surgery and his monster spring training so far, plus my personal bias, but I think he has been in general underrated. Maybe a redo on his 2 year 16M per contract works for both sides. There's essentially no comp for his medical situation. But anyone who has ever been successfully treated for a sleep disorder can tell you how life-changing the extra energy can be. I know how little energy I've had for the last twenty years (and how difficult it to make decisions when feeling drained), and based just on that, I was saying there was a good chance he was headed for a monster year. But since early February, my own sleep apnea has been under control, with fairly dramatic results; my friends have all noted the difference, and I've done at least one household project that got rid of a PITA situation that went back 16 years. And simultaneously with that, here's Napoli putting up a monster ST (right now, 5 OPS points behind Trout for second best OPS, minimum 40 PA), and Peter Keating at ESPN Mag reporting on recent findings that the top and bottom 2% of ST performers (relative to expectations) can expect a 30 point OPS boost or cut relative to projections. So I'm on this bandwagon, and then some.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2015 8:58:56 GMT -5
Well, for comps, I can remember Craig Hansen getting treated for sleep apnea and it making, seemingly, no difference.
Of course, we have no idea about any confounding factors, etc.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 4, 2015 9:16:49 GMT -5
The boston media has been dreadful the last few years. The herald and everyone at CSN have such a negative view of this team. I know what you mean. We all need to realize that in the age of the Internet, traditional media outlets no longer have a monopoly on broadcast dialog. By broadcast I mean cast broadly, as in across the globe (and I don't mean the newspaper). This is the first time in human history that someone out in the middle of nowhere has been able to offer up analysis that might act as a counter-weight to what was once a tightly held franchise on opinion and fact. In lieu of that monopoly, those outlets now deal in controversy and conflict much of it auto-generated as a part of their standard operating procedure. In other words, they make a lot of noise to capture ears and eyeballs, and the noise doesn't have to be true or even consistent. It just has to give them some number they can report back to advertisers. All that said, there's a lot of really good stuff out there in TradMedia, lots of good writers and thinkers. Don't know about all of you, but I've been devouring Speier's 108 Stitches. But they're not the majority and the bad ones don't do their homework. After all, if your setting fires, do you really care what kind of fuel you use? The Red Sox have given people a lot to complain about. Over the last 4 years, they've had the biggest collapse in baseball history. Two last place finishes and a World Championship. Despite having a Top 5 payroll. Obviously, anyone would take a championship every 4 years. But,those other 3 seasons were simply unacceptable. Many of the wounds were self-inflicted too. My expectation this year is to contend for a playoff spot. I hope we don't trade off valuable long-term pieces in order to sneak in as a wild-card and get bounced early.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2015 9:43:34 GMT -5
I know what you mean. We all need to realize that in the age of the Internet, traditional media outlets no longer have a monopoly on broadcast dialog. By broadcast I mean cast broadly, as in across the globe (and I don't mean the newspaper). This is the first time in human history that someone out in the middle of nowhere has been able to offer up analysis that might act as a counter-weight to what was once a tightly held franchise on opinion and fact. In lieu of that monopoly, those outlets now deal in controversy and conflict much of it auto-generated as a part of their standard operating procedure. In other words, they make a lot of noise to capture ears and eyeballs, and the noise doesn't have to be true or even consistent. It just has to give them some number they can report back to advertisers. All that said, there's a lot of really good stuff out there in TradMedia, lots of good writers and thinkers. Don't know about all of you, but I've been devouring Speier's 108 Stitches. But they're not the majority and the bad ones don't do their homework. After all, if your setting fires, do you really care what kind of fuel you use? The Red Sox have given people a lot to complain about. Over the last 4 years, they've had the biggest collapse in baseball history. Two last place finishes and a World Championship. Despite having a Top 5 payroll. Obviously, anyone would take a championship every 4 years. But,those other 3 seasons were simply unacceptable. Many of the wounds were self-inflicted too. My expectation this year is to contend for a playoff spot. I hope we don't trade off valuable long-term pieces in order to sneak in as a wild-card and get bounced early. In the grand scheme of things, if they don't win the World Series, I don't really care where they finished. Were the last place finishes worse than 2003/1986/1978/1975/etc.? If they didn't punt at the trade deadline in 2012 or 2014, they probably could have finished close to .500 and not in last, but who really cares about that? I know it sounds horrible to finish last, but it's really not for me.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 4, 2015 9:50:19 GMT -5
The Red Sox have given people a lot to complain about. Over the last 4 years, they've had the biggest collapse in baseball history. Two last place finishes and a World Championship. Despite having a Top 5 payroll. Obviously, anyone would take a championship every 4 years. But,those other 3 seasons were simply unacceptable. Many of the wounds were self-inflicted too. My expectation this year is to contend for a playoff spot. I hope we don't trade off valuable long-term pieces in order to sneak in as a wild-card and get bounced early. In the grand scheme of things, if they don't win the World Series, I don't really care where they finished. Were the last place finishes worse than 2003/1986/1978/1975/etc.? If they didn't punt at the trade deadline in 2012 or 2014, they probably could have finished close to .500 and not in last, but who really cares about that? I know it sounds horrible to finish last, but it's really not for me. Those last lace finishes definitely were worse. In those other seasons there was 2-3 months of additional competitive baseball. There was hope, suspense,. All of that makes baseball more fun to watch. It isn't just about the retrospective look back at the season. It is about the pleasure of experiencing the season as it happens.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 4, 2015 11:31:28 GMT -5
The Red Sox have given people a lot to complain about. Over the last 4 years, they've had the biggest collapse in baseball history. Two last place finishes and a World Championship. Despite having a Top 5 payroll. Obviously, anyone would take a championship every 4 years. But,those other 3 seasons were simply unacceptable. Many of the wounds were self-inflicted too. My expectation this year is to contend for a playoff spot. I hope we don't trade off valuable long-term pieces in order to sneak in as a wild-card and get bounced early. I know the last place finishes are tough, but three WS titles in ten years should help soften that. I also think there's a plan in place, that having hit the jackpot in 2013, the team wanted to bring in new talent to see what they had. That takes patience. Tough year for Bradley, mediocre showing for Bogaerts, Vazquez delivered as promised, and Betts was a revelation. But they all got playing time and that's what young players need. I want to see them focus on doing the same with pitching talent this year. Barnes, Rodriguez, Johnson, Owens... if they don't trade them, and I don't think Cherrington will unless he's overwhelmed, they need to get them starts at the ML level. It's time. I believe that's why they're willing to add risk with Masterson and Kelly. If you're not willing to trust what you've built, why bother building it? I don't object to the criticism, if it's well thought out. The team made mistakes last year. The outfield was largely devoid of viable veteran options except for Nava who barely qualifies as such, and he got sent down when he started off cold. That was obvious before the year started and a focus of this board. The injuries on the other hand can't be predicted and that played a part. They rolled the dice and, unlike the previous year, they came up snake eyes. This year, I expect them to compete also. But in my view, the unfocused rants, the ones with little analysis behind them, are only designed to incite, and purposefully. It's a much tougher world for the ex-media monopolists. There are many ways they can deal with that. Lashing out in continual outrage is one of the less interesting of those. I just flip the dial or turn it off.
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