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5/4-5/6 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by grandsalami on May 6, 2015 23:06:33 GMT -5
Worst team in the ALE. Good job; Take a bow, Ben. Thank god you won't be nearly as untouchable as your prized yutes once this latest disastrous season of your doing has finished. I yearn for the days of Sullivan, any improvement actually. Lol
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Post by TX on May 6, 2015 23:08:18 GMT -5
“@scottlauber: For second straight game, #RedSox went 1-for-12 with RISP. They’re 4-for-45 over last six games.” Kind of hard to blame Farrell when our supposed mashing lineup is incapable of hitting with risp I am usually pretty critical of Farrell but I actually think the Nava PH move was very encouraging, he was at least trying to win this time. This atrocious pitching staff is only statistically last, opposed to being disallowed to take the mound per the league. I think that's quite a compliment to Farrell.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2015 23:13:07 GMT -5
Worst team in the ALE. Good job; Take a bow, Ben. Thank god you won't be nearly as untouchable as your prized yutes once this latest disastrous season of your doing has finished. I yearn for the days of Sullivan, any improvement actually. Get a grip. The Sox are playing like crap but they're not the '62 Mets. You yearn for Sullivan? Are you nuts? Sullivan was the biggest buffoon in Red Sox GM history, or least he competed well with Cronin, Higgins, and Harris for that dishonor. I hate the way the Sox have been playing and it stinks, but the way you're whining, you'd think it's been 90 years since they won the Series. And what are you kvetchin about his "yutes"? I'm glad the Sox have a young core of Betts, Bogaerts, and Swihart up the middle. They're going to be better players in the future than they are now. Anybody with at least half a brain can see that. I look forward to seeing Margot, Devers, and Moncada climb up the ladder. That's some serious talent. And they have some arms potential in Rodriguez, Owens, Johnson, Barnes, and further down with Kopeck and Ball. You can knock Ben C for a bunch of moves or non-moves but not building a legit farm system wouldn't be something you can knock him for.
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2015 23:14:09 GMT -5
Don't feed the trolls.
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Post by nomar on May 6, 2015 23:16:36 GMT -5
They played fine tonight. You lose games like this sometimes. It's whatever. At least we had scoring opportunities and didn't get blown out, unlike many of the games in this slump.
Bogaerts and Betts have looked better of late, Hanley is coming back over the weekend, and Ortiz and Napoli are only going to improve. Plenty of offensive upside. Once guys like Buchholz and Kelly's LOB/BABIP stabilize, results will look a lot different.
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Post by TX on May 6, 2015 23:32:02 GMT -5
Worst team in the ALE. Good job; Take a bow, Ben. Thank god you won't be nearly as untouchable as your prized yutes once this latest disastrous season of your doing has finished. I yearn for the days of Sullivan, any improvement actually. Get a grip. The Sox are playing like crap but they're not the '62 Mets. You yearn for Sullivan? Are you nuts? Sullivan was the biggest buffoon in Red Sox GM history, or least he competed well with Cronin, Higgins, and Harris for that dishonor. I hate the way the Sox have been playing and it stinks, but the way you're whining, you'd think it's been 90 years since they won the Series. And what are you kvetchin about his "yutes"? I'm glad the Sox have a young core of Betts, Bogaerts, and Swihart up the middle. They're going to be better players in the future than they are now. Anybody with at least half a brain can see that. I look forward to seeing Margot, Devers, and Moncada climb up the ladder. That's some serious talent. And they have some arms potential in Rodriguez, Owens, Johnson, Barnes, and further down with Kopeck and Ball. You can knock Ben C for a bunch of moves or non-moves but not building a legit farm system wouldn't be something you can knock him for. Whining? I'm damn pissed. This is embarrassing. The entire team has already laid down to the hopelessness of its pitching staff, and that attitude is only going to get worse and more embarrassing. What good is a farm system if it's hardly ever used locally or to improve the team via trades?
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Post by klostrophobic on May 6, 2015 23:33:50 GMT -5
Mookie heating up and once they dump Masterson or use him as a ROOGY (actually hope this isn't a thing) out of the pen, this is a pretty exciting team. I can't fathom how Masterson was ever any good when it's so obvious to just stack lefties against him. He's up next against Oakland, who can stack Vogt, Davis, Sogard, Fuld, Reddick, Zobrist, and Burns into the lineup without much issue. He's got not shot.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 7, 2015 6:24:37 GMT -5
I was reminded of this on twitter the other day - Ricky Gervais ?@rickygervais May 2 Trolls don't hate you. They hate themselves. They're in pain & you getting upset is like their morphine. Don't administer. Enjoy the screams
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 7, 2015 6:59:32 GMT -5
I'm just happy that the performance of a sports team that I wasn't myself a part of has never made me "damn pissed," especially if it were just because that team was hovering around. 500.
Unless.... Wait, are you the ghost of Haywood Sullivan? You're the ghost of Haywood Sullivan aren't you?
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 8:04:48 GMT -5
Let's maybe move Xander up in the lineup now? Through the games played on Sunday, of the 213 qualified hitters, Bogaerts had the 12th lowest average velocity on balls in play and the 9th highest decline in the percentage of his pulled balls (generally a proxy for quality contact). It's not surprising really given the struggles he had last year on outside sliders. He gets almost zero pitches to pull unless they're big mistake pitches. He needs to hit the ball hard the other way and get out of this annoying 90% outside offspeed treatment. At least he's cut the k's down pretty significantly. Weak contact is better than no contact.
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Post by mattpicard on May 7, 2015 8:08:36 GMT -5
Through the games played on Sunday, of the 213 qualified hitters, Bogaerts had the 12th lowest average velocity on balls in play and the 9th highest decline in the percentage of his pulled balls (generally a proxy for quality contact). It's not surprising really given the struggles he had last year on outside sliders. He gets almost zero pitches to pull unless they're big mistake pitches. He needs to hit the ball hard the other way and get out of this annoying 90% outside offspeed treatment. Remember this home run? I miss that version of Xander.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 8:16:42 GMT -5
It's not surprising really given the struggles he had last year on outside sliders. He gets almost zero pitches to pull unless they're big mistake pitches. He needs to hit the ball hard the other way and get out of this annoying 90% outside offspeed treatment. Remember this home run? I miss that version of Xander. Yeah. But he'd be lucky to see a fastball in that location these days. Maybe he should stand closer to the plate? I wonder what happens to Mookie when they stop pitching him inside. Why do pitchers still pitch him inside? I'm not as worried about Mookie though because he hits anything. I just don't think the power will be there like it is on the inside pitches.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2015 8:53:56 GMT -5
He is way out over his front foot on a lot of his swings. I'm not sure if he gets anxious when they are playing from behind (I've been thinking a few guys might be doing this but really no way to quantify). It's definitely not that free and easy swing we saw in AA/AAA.
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Post by nomar on May 7, 2015 9:07:07 GMT -5
Remember this home run? I miss that version of Xander. Yeah. But he'd be lucky to see a fastball in that location these days. Maybe he should stand closer to the plate? This is why I think Bogaerts is a time bomb. He's going to start going off when he proves he can't be exploited by breaking stuff low and away. The question is how long that will take to happen. Look at these Contact% maps from 2014 and 2015: 2014: www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=12161&position=3B/SS&ss=2014&se=2014&type=3&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=bat2015: www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=12161&position=3B/SS&ss=2015&se=2015&type=3&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=batIn both 2014 and 2015, he seriously struggles with pitches down and away. In 2014, however, he struggled with the entire lower sixth of the zone. He's improved most of that lower 6th in 2015, with exception to the dreaded lower right section. That shows that some progress is being made, but the biggest battle is still being fought. Regardless, that progress lower in the zone is a positive sign. He's obviously working on it, it's just a bad habit that he formed over his career, but was never able to be exploited until he met the advanced breaking pitches that major league pitchers have. I've been really intently watching Bogaerts' ABs. I think a big problem of his, which has led to his problems with breaking pitches low and away, has been staying back on the ball. All his weight shifts to his front foot. This instantly zaps him of any ability to drive the ball with authority, which has put him among the worst hitters in the league in terms of velocity of batted balls. The first thing needed here is a better recognition of off-speed pitches. One he recognizes breaking balls earlier, he will be able to keep his weight back and drive the ball to the opposite field, which he has shown that he is plenty capable of doing. I don't worry about him chasing these pitches as much as I worry him identifying these pitches. This is pretty intuitive. Obviously he swings at some down and out of the zone because he doesn't anticipate the break on the given pitch. But another reason I think Bogaerts chases down and away is because once he's out on his front foot, he realizes he is fooled and reacts by trying to just make any form of contact. Instead, he should likely just lay off once he realizes he has been fooled onto his front foot. This is easier said than done, especially once Bogaerts has two strikes on him and risks a looking K by not swinging. I would think, however, that breaking balls are hard to paint the corners with. If this is the case, Bogaerts would be better off accepting some looking Ks down and away and taking the balls or 3-2 fastballs that would come with laying off breaking pitches that end up being balls. Heres a similar story that ended up being a success: Carlos Gomez. 2011, the year before Gomez broke out: www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=4881&position=OF&ss=2011&se=2011&type=3&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=batFast-forward to 2014: www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=4881&position=OF&ss=2014&se=2014&type=3&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=batHe had an incredibly low contact% down and away. Like Bogaerts, at that time he was improving low in the zone aside from the bottom right. Sliders and curves amounted to 31.3% of his pitches seen, even higher than the 27.1% that Bogaerts saw in 2014. The main difference here is that Gomez struggled more with the curve than the slider. Low and away isn't Gomez' preferred location by any means, but his contact rate is 20% higher there than it once was. Adjustments happen, but they take time. Luckily, Bogaerts has discipline in pitches out of the zone in other locations. I don't think that we have another bust situation to worry about like we had with WMB. He also plays SS, a non-demanding offensive position, which gives him more time to adjust without being a detriment to the team.
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Post by jmei on May 7, 2015 9:17:33 GMT -5
I moved the Mujica stuff to its own thread.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 7, 2015 10:42:48 GMT -5
Toronto this weekend seems like a great time for this offense to break out. Feel like the Sox have always raked there.
Gonna be a HR derby and i will generally be shocked if Ortiz doesnt have at least 1 this weekend.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 11:28:35 GMT -5
And let Tazawa get a lot of rest...
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Post by jrffam05 on May 7, 2015 11:32:35 GMT -5
Nieves fired
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 7, 2015 12:01:44 GMT -5
So much for the staff just being, "unlucky". Clearly they felt he wasn't doing a good enough job.
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