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What Can Be Done to Fix the Sox?
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 6, 2015 12:24:10 GMT -5
I think we can solve most of the bullpen issues internally. Kelly certainly has the stuff that would play up in the pen. Masterson, would be decent if used strictly against RHH. Also, I think the Sox should go with an 8-man bullpen. When Pedroia returns, having Holt as an everyday UTIL player that can play every position allows you to carry an extra reliever.
Sox need to acquire a relief ace from outside the organization and hope that Porcello can be a solid #3 behind Clay and E-Rod. Call up Johnson to take Masterson's spot and use Wright as the 8th reliever (long relief/swingman role).
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2015 12:42:17 GMT -5
We also thought Barnes was a likely setup guy too.
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Post by nomar on Jul 6, 2015 12:53:05 GMT -5
We also thought Barnes was a likely setup guy too. He needs work but he still could end up a very good reliever.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 6, 2015 13:18:01 GMT -5
I think we can solve most of the bullpen issues internally. Most, yeah I'd agree. But not all. Unless Rosenbaum, Escobar, or Diaz overperforms, we need to go out and get another lefty arm in the pen. Can't survive with just Tommy Layne to depend on.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 6, 2015 13:41:22 GMT -5
Masterson being moved back to the bullpen.One hopes it's Brian Johnson time after the break. I don't know how effective he can be there, but I guess it's worth a look-see over Ross, Breslow and the rest the of the Meh Heads. I would think with Porcello pitching that we need someone who can maybe get one trip through the order before imploding. That might be his only role relieving after someone with a high 90's FB. Ugly but right now we have nothing else.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2015 14:24:35 GMT -5
We also thought Barnes was a likely setup guy too. He needs work but he still could end up a very good reliever. I was talking about this year, but yeah I agree eventually.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2015 16:59:22 GMT -5
He needs work but he still could end up a very good reliever. I was talking about this year, but yeah I agree eventually. Yeah, he did, in fact, bring the strikeout element that we all said was missing from the Sox bullpen at the time (22 in 21.1 ip), but it's just that those strikeouts have come around many hits that's been the problem...
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Post by danr on Jul 6, 2015 17:14:57 GMT -5
Barnes' command isn't quite there yet. Those 97 MPH fastballs go long distances when they are put over the heart of the plate.
The BP is almost shot from overwork. Fresh - or fresher - arms are needed. It makes sense to keep giving some tryouts to the guys at Pawtucket for at least the rest of the month. But if they keep on their current pace and get closer to contention, making significant improvements in the bullpen will become increasingly important. And that probably will require an acquisition or two.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2015 17:18:16 GMT -5
Apparently we are heavily interested in Byung-Ho Park
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2015 18:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 6, 2015 18:07:40 GMT -5
I think we can solve most of the bullpen issues internally. Kelly certainly has the stuff that would play up in the pen. Masterson, would be decent if used strictly against RHH. Also, I think the Sox should go with an 8-man bullpen. When Pedroia returns, having Holt as an everyday UTIL player that can play every position allows you to carry an extra reliever. Sox need to acquire a relief ace from outside the organization and hope that Porcello can be a solid #3 behind Clay and E-Rod. Call up Johnson to take Masterson's spot and use Wright as the 8th reliever (long relief/swingman role). What would Cincy want for Aroldis Chapman?
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Post by brnichols19873 on Jul 6, 2015 18:11:35 GMT -5
Apparently we are heavily interested in Byung-Ho Park Well according to press releases last December the sox entered a, "strategic partnership" with his team the Nexen Heroes and have been one of two teans to inquire about him to his agents (the other being the As) so id say the interest must be very strong and that they mudt have a plethora of scouting reports and data on him...
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2015 18:13:08 GMT -5
Please no one mention claiming Jason Frasor with his 1.54 ERA who was just DFA'd by KC. Look at his xFIP and SIERA first.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2015 18:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Jul 7, 2015 13:04:09 GMT -5
I read several articles about Park and in one of them he was compared to Chris Davis, which, when one looks at his stats, makes some sense. Terrific power but many swings and misses.
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Post by danr on Jul 7, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
Right now the Sox have more high ceiling prospects in the minor leagues than I can ever recall them having at one time in the past. They probably could get some quite good major league players in trades at the deadline if they were willing to part with the best ones.
However, if the Sox hang on to the best prospects, in two to three years almost the entire team could be composed of young players, most of them above average to exceptional. Because even the best young prospects often don't develop as expected, and because injuries will derail some, not all these prospects will make it. But there are enough that it probably is a reasonable bet that several key positions will be filled by them in the not too distant future, possibly including most of the starting pitcher slots.
That team of young players could be a dynasty, a dominant team, for quite a few years.
So, if my basic assumptions are reasonable, should the Sox hang on to these prospects and fill current holes on the team with FA signs and trades of existing ML players? Or should they use their rising values to acquire some top major league talent now?
I think it was John Lennon who said that life is what happens while you are planning something else, and that sure has been what I have experienced. So I usually lean towards maximizing realistic present opportunities. However, on this question I am somewhat ambivalent.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 7, 2015 13:32:41 GMT -5
danr.....one of the things Cherington said a while ago was the goal or idea to put together a team that would compete for many years without having to use free agency to such an extreme. I know many folks want it happening now (or yesterday for that matter), but I'm all for building something that will last for many years. I think, as I think you do, that they have that potential to put together a really exciting and very competitive team in the NEAR future. I'm ecstatic with the progress of Xander, Mookie, and Eduardo. I'm stoked about Swihart showing he is real close. I mentioned several weeks ago, that those 4 could be our Jeter, Bernie Williams, Posada, and Petitte. If 2 of our 6 above average prospects can add strongly to that mix, we have the opportunity of being quite dominant for years. Those top 6 are Margot, Devers, Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, and Espinoza. There are even others who could add significantly to our 25-man also. I'm excited!! But I'm also realistic that it may be 2 or 3 years to get to that stage.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 7, 2015 14:15:51 GMT -5
So, if my basic assumptions are reasonable, should the Sox hang on to these prospects and fill current holes on the team with FA signs and trades of existing ML players? Or should they use their rising values to acquire some top major league talent now? I think it was John Lennon who said that life is what happens while you are planning something else, and that sure has been what I have experienced. So I usually lean towards maximizing realistic present opportunities. However, on this question I am somewhat ambivalent. I think you have to approach it more on a case-by-case basis: they should do their due diligence should any impact players be made available, but they should set a value on their prospects and stick by it. I like the overall thinking of the FO over the past couple of years: hold on to your key prospects and use the money you save to fill the holes, preferably with shortish term, high AAV deals. I think in order to really contend next year and in subsequent years, they're going to have to either throw a lot of money at a starting pitcher or a lot of prospects at a team to acquire a really good one, and my personal preference is the former. One big contract that turns bad towards the end won't cripple a team the way a starting rotation full of mediocre pitchers will, especially when the pipeline is full of young talent. So basically, if it turns out that some team in in love with Manny Margot (for example) and has a very good major league player under team control for a couple of years at a reasonable salary, I say jump on the deal. Failing that, stay patient and see what you have and who becomes expendable
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Post by okin15 on Jul 7, 2015 14:41:55 GMT -5
If 2 of our 6 above average prospects can add strongly to that mix, we have the opportunity of being quite dominant for years. Those top 6 are Margot, Devers, Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech, and Espinoza. There are even others who could add significantly to our 25-man also. I'm excited!! But I'm also realistic that it may be 2 or 3 years to get to that stage. Only guys who project to help in the near-ish future are Margot, Owens and Johnson. I suppose you might include Ramos as well, plus the post-prospects in AAAA Craig, Bradley, Nava, Castillo, Shaw, Wright, Kelly and Marrero. A bit short on IF help. Going to be back to the days of retread AAAA guys on the Pawtucket Shuttle next year.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 7, 2015 15:17:55 GMT -5
Extend Betts + Bogaerts. Or try to at least.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2015 15:23:39 GMT -5
Extend Betts + Bogaerts. Or try to at least. That is pretty much the key to everything. 2013 was supposed to be a bridge year, but in reality, we've had/will have 3-4 bridge years to get to the new future core of the team. Papi is the last one left from the old team. Pedroia too, but he wasn't there for all of it.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 7, 2015 15:37:24 GMT -5
Mookie was such a sure thing for me thatI was exited when Bradford reported the extension talks in ST and Xander this year convinced me too, ironically, CV absence convinced me of how good he was evreytime a strike in the low zone isn't called heh #ExtendTheCore
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2015 16:01:53 GMT -5
Extend Betts + Bogaerts. Or try to at least. Don't see Bogaerts being extended. With Bora$ as his agent, with Bogaerts being 27 when he hits the free agent market, there's no way Boras will let him not go to free agency. Short of the Sox throwing at least $300 million his way, I don't see it.
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Post by danr on Jul 7, 2015 16:46:20 GMT -5
The shortstop who will succeed Bogaerts if he left for FA hasn't been drafted yet. A lot can happen in five years. I wouldn't put a lot of energy into trying to extend him, not only because Boras is his agent, but also because it simply is too in the future. Two or three years from now is the time to work on this if it still seems desirable.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 7, 2015 19:45:46 GMT -5
Extend Betts + Bogaerts. Or try to at least. Don't see Bogaerts being extended. With Bora$ as his agent, with Bogaerts being 27 when he hits the free agent market, there's no way Boras will let him not go to free agency. Short of the Sox throwing at least $300 million his way, I don't see it. Scott Boras works for Xander Bogaerts, not the other way around.
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