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Post by bsout2 on Dec 1, 2012 22:53:43 GMT -5
What about Ichiro for a year? They could stick him in RF and platoon LF, would allow the organization to prepare internal options for 2014.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 2, 2012 0:03:43 GMT -5
What about Ichiro for a year? They could stick him in RF and platoon LF, would allow the organization to prepare internal options for 2014. He would be a fit, but Ichiro probably wants to play for someone with a better chance at the postseason in 2013.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 2, 2012 12:03:04 GMT -5
What about Ichiro for a year? They could stick him in RF and platoon LF, would allow the organization to prepare internal options for 2014. He would be a fit, but Ichiro probably wants to play for someone with a better chance at the postseason in 2013. Big odds given that Ichiro will be back in N.Y. He looked to be on his way out of baseball before the Yankees acquired him. Playing at the Stadium, he was rejuvenated and actually found the short porch with a frequency not previously enjoyed. He knows the team and is comfortable. Can any other team/ballpark offer that collection of attributes and likelihood of playoff contention? Beyond that, the Yankees will probably match or exceed any offers when all is said &done.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 2, 2012 19:04:26 GMT -5
From a couple of MLBTR items, it looks like Victorino wants $9-10M and is likely to get 3 years. Even if it's an overpay,he can play all three OF positions and I think he'll still be a useful player in the third year.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 3, 2012 11:01:51 GMT -5
From a couple of MLBTR items, it looks like Victorino wants $9-10M and is likely to get 3 years. Even if it's an overpay,he can play all three OF positions and I think he'll still be a useful player in the third year. He would be a great pick-up for us for several reasons: 1) as you stated can play all 3 OF spots 2) he has been on winning teams and is a good teammate 3) he gives us lots of flexibility with respect to Ellsbury (if something too good was to pop-up). You can add: 4) he runs well 5) he will take pitches 6) and would actually play right in Fenway well I'd steer away from Swisher (who would cost a 2nd round draft pick) and give Shane 3 years. The worse he would be is a great 4th outfielder in year 3.
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Post by jioh on Dec 3, 2012 15:25:43 GMT -5
From a couple of MLBTR items, it looks like Victorino wants $9-10M and is likely to get 3 years. Even if it's an overpay,he can play all three OF positions and I think he'll still be a useful player in the third year. He would be a great pick-up for us for several reasons: 1) as you stated can play all 3 OF spots 2) he has been on winning teams and is a good teammate 3) he gives us lots of flexibility with respect to Ellsbury (if something too good was to pop-up). You can add: 4) he runs well 5) he will take pitches 6) and would actually play right in Fenway well I'd steer away from Swisher (who would cost a 2nd round draft pick) and give Shane 3 years. The worse he would be is a great 4th outfielder in year 3. Where do I click "like"? A switc-hitting rf who can play in Fenway and back up cf, can lead off and let Ellsbury bat 3rd, play cf if Ellsbury leaves and Brentz arrives, should be OK and could be great as he was a couple of years ago. Way better than losing a pick for Swisher and having to watch him cover a tiny bit of Fenway's RF. Victorino's only our 4th OF in the third year if 2 or 3 of our OF starters are making the minimum.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 3, 2012 15:37:30 GMT -5
From a couple of MLBTR items, it looks like Victorino wants $9-10M and is likely to get 3 years. Even if it's an overpay,he can play all three OF positions and I think he'll still be a useful player in the third year. He would be a great pick-up for us for several reasons: 1) as you stated can play all 3 OF spots 2) he has been on winning teams and is a good teammate 3) he gives us lots of flexibility with respect to Ellsbury (if something too good was to pop-up). You can add: 4) he runs well 5) he will take pitches 6) and would actually play right in Fenway well I'd steer away from Swisher (who would cost a 2nd round draft pick) and give Shane 3 years. The worse he would be is a great 4th outfielder in year 3. Steve I think those points are valid but when I look at his career stats, no goosebumps form. Tepid is the word that comes to mind. There is value as a CF, a SH, and in not sacrificing a pick. Of course, this year we are beggars. And, I am not sure that I could cotton to Swishalicious for 3 plus years. But, I think the Sox might value Swish as much for his grind-it-out style and OBP which are so significantly above average, an emphasis so far. CF would be under-manned in that case unless Ciriaco could be transplanted occasionally..
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Post by leo on Dec 3, 2012 15:44:04 GMT -5
I can see the Red Sox being in pursuit of Angel Pagan. I can't imagine the Red Sox forgot about defense, and a right side of Napoli/Swisher would leave quite the big hole there.
Pagan played some defense in RF before, knows how to run the bases (something Farrell likes to see more of, Pagan averaged 30 stolen bases over the last three seasons), is a triples machine, sees a lot of piches (4.1 per PA in 2012) and makes as good contact as Dustin Pedroia. He's a switch hitter and usually does better facing RHP from the left side. Could be a good sutiation with Gomes, and should Ross be back.
He's someone that should be available for a reasonable contract, especially because Victorino and Bourn are still out there, and would give the Red Sox some flexibility with Ellsbury.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 3, 2012 15:58:46 GMT -5
I can see the Red Sox being in pursuit of Angel Pagan. I can't imagine the Red Sox forgot about defense, and a right side of Napoli/Swisher would leave quite the big hole there. Pagan played some defense in RF before, knows how to run the bases (something Farrell likes to see more of, Pagan averaged 30 stolen bases over the last three seasons), is a triples machine, sees a lot of piches (4.1 per PA in 2012) and makes as good contact as Dustin Pedroia. He's a switch hitter and usually does better facing RHP from the left side. Could be a good sutiation with Gomes, and should Ross be back. He's someone that should be available for a reasonable contract, especially because Victorino and Bourn are still out there, and would give the Red Sox some flexibility with Ellsbury. Sources: Pagan close to re-signing with #SFGiants. - Ken Rosenthal
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Post by thegoo13 on Dec 3, 2012 15:59:15 GMT -5
Can Ells and JBJ exist in the same outfield? It's up to Ells but Jacoby in Left, Bradley in Center sounds pretty good to me. Ells has to sign with the Sox past this year first and foremost. I hope he does. He is a special talent, undervalued on this board IMO. He would also have to agree to playing LF, something he was not very happy with during the Mike Cameron days. I saw his point as he looked like the better CF to me at that time. Maybe he could be sold on saving his legs a bit in left? Maybe as SB is the agent for both his attitude magically changes?
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2012 16:10:59 GMT -5
Pagan 4x$10M
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Post by jioh on Dec 3, 2012 16:14:47 GMT -5
Can Ells and JBJ exist in the same outfield? It's up to Ells but Jacoby in Left, Bradley in Center sounds pretty good to me. Ells has to sign with the Sox past this year first and foremost. I hope he does. He is a special talent, undervalued on this board IMO. He would also have to agree to playing LF, something he was not very happy with during the Mike Cameron days. I saw his point as he looked like the better CF to me at that time. Maybe he could be sold on saving his legs a bit in left? Maybe as SB is the agent for both his attitude magically changes? Ellsbury's value is much higher in CF and he will only sign with a club that will pay him like a CF. You can do things to 2nd-3rd year players that you can't do to FAs.
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Post by thegoo13 on Dec 3, 2012 16:27:11 GMT -5
Can Ells and JBJ exist in the same outfield? It's up to Ells but Jacoby in Left, Bradley in Center sounds pretty good to me. Ells has to sign with the Sox past this year first and foremost. I hope he does. He is a special talent, undervalued on this board IMO. He would also have to agree to playing LF, something he was not very happy with during the Mike Cameron days. I saw his point as he looked like the better CF to me at that time. Maybe he could be sold on saving his legs a bit in left? Maybe as SB is the agent for both his attitude magically changes? Ellsbury's value is much higher in CF and he will only sign with a club that will pay him like a CF. You can do things to 2nd-3rd year players that you can't do to FAs. HIs 2011 numbers are valuable anywhere you want to play him, however I agree he will want to be paid, and there is no guarantee he can approach them again, but I just think that healthy he is one of the best and potentially worth the $.
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Post by sdsoxfan on Dec 3, 2012 18:23:41 GMT -5
Sign Ross for 2 years @ $7m per year Sign Hamilton for 4 years @22.5m per year ($30/25/20/15)
2013: Ross/Ells/Hamilton ($7/$10/$30 = $47m) 2014: Ross/Bradley/Hamilton ($7/$0.5/$25 = $33m) 2015: Brentz/Bradley/Hamilton ($0.5/$0.5m/$20m = $21m)
Ells Pedroia Hamilton Papi Napoli Ross/Gomes/Nava Middlebrooks Ross/Lavarnway Iglesias
This lineup could get us back to 2003-2008 offense numbers with a couple of premier tablesetters and big bats 3-7. Easy to trade for veteran shortstop if Iglesias can't hit or need more offense from SS. Trade for pitching help at all star break when we know what type of pitcher we need to contend.
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Post by dcri on Dec 3, 2012 19:30:42 GMT -5
I don't think Ellsbury is extendable. He's got Boros as an agent and that is not typical of his strategy, especially with Ellsbury coming off a down year. Hamilton increasingly looks less and less likely. Kalish is an unknown, but, in my opinion, an extreme long shot at this point. Sweeney is gone. The scouting of Sands is not all that encouraging. And based on the discussions about Brentz in the BP thread, I'm not greatly encouraged there. His arrival seems far from a sure thing.
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