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2015 Trade Deadline News and Discussion
jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jul 31, 2015 13:04:25 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 #Yankees under belief #Padres working on bigger deal elsewhere includes Kimbrel. Been told SD will NOT deal with NYY unless Mateo in deal
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 31, 2015 13:06:18 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 #Yankees under belief #Padres working on bigger deal elsewhere includes Kimbrel. Been told SD will NOT deal with NYY unless Mateo in deal If SD really likes Mateo that doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 31, 2015 13:06:15 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: Sources: #Padres, #RedSox, #Cubs 3-team trade possibility remains very much alive, with two hours to deadline.”
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 31, 2015 13:06:25 GMT -5
“@gordonedes: Two hours before trading deadline, Red Sox efforts focused on Carrasco or Ross. JBJ could be going”
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Post by notguilty on Jul 31, 2015 13:06:51 GMT -5
This time of year, I get very excited to see my favorite team in my favorite sport do some things to improve the product. Unlike so many who follow these boards, I don't talk myself into every prospect meeting or exceeding their kindest projections. We want the same thing, we just differ on how to get there. I can handle a losing season or two, but this is atrocious, and I am losing my patience. As of today, I see no reason to believe we'll be competitive in the AL East for at least 3 years. Toronto is too good. NY will make a power move again. Baltimore owns us for some reason. Tampa is the only team I could see falling behind us due to their offensive woes. If you're cool hoping that 2019 will be a better time as a fan, more power to you. I'll gladly take the side of Red Sox Nation who wish to see dramatic changes, even if they're risky, NOW. In all honesty, I feel like you on the bolded, man. Add to that the fact that I've lost my trust in the ability of this Front Office to make the right changes, and in the Manager, I think this is the most down and frustrated I've been with the Sox since the John Henry era started. Where we differ is I don't think trading all the top prospects you have is really a sustainable proposition. As Jimed said above, you want perceived value, you have to do a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1 with your top prospects, like San Diego did or Toronto is doing. And Toronto is close enough that it makes sense for them to do this. The Red Sox are nowhere close to that. And you still run the risk that whoever you get back becomes terrible in Boston for some inexplicable reason. I think this team tied itself up with last season's moves. They're screwed with older players making tons of money and not delivering, guys playing at positions that are not theirs, a bad manager, terrible major league level evaluation, etc. It's mindboggling. Frankly, I think I'm ready for a rebuild. Toronto, New York and Baltimore are likely to beat us up for a while. Sell off what you can, be patient, play the kids, build for 2017-2018.
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Post by bannedfromsosh on Jul 31, 2015 13:18:37 GMT -5
Here's the thing about being a top ranked farm system: Those 3-1/4-1 deals are the easiest to swallow for us. Drafting a guy like Benintendi takes a lot of sting out of trading Margot. Watching Guerra develop so well makes Marrero an easy throw in. I'm not saying scorch the earth, but I'd really prefer they roll the dice on acquiring proven veterans with their prospect cache. If we wind up falling to the 7-15 range in farm rankings, is that really the end of the world?
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 31, 2015 13:19:44 GMT -5
In all honesty, I feel like you on the bolded, man. Add to that the fact that I've lost my trust in the ability of this Front Office to make the right changes, and in the Manager, I think this is the most down and frustrated I've been with the Sox since the John Henry era started. Where we differ is I don't think trading all the top prospects you have is really a sustainable proposition. As Jimed said above, you want perceived value, you have to do a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1 with your top prospects, like San Diego did or Toronto is doing. And Toronto is close enough that it makes sense for them to do this. The Red Sox are nowhere close to that. And you still run the risk that whoever you get back becomes terrible in Boston for some inexplicable reason. I think this team tied itself up with last season's moves. They're screwed with older players making tons of money and not delivering, guys playing at positions that are not theirs, a bad manager, terrible major league level evaluation, etc. It's mindboggling. Frankly, I think I'm ready for a rebuild. Toronto, New York and Baltimore are likely to beat us up for a while. Sell off what you can, be patient, play the kids, build for 2017-2018. I totally agree with your last paragraph. Only problem is, the fans are impatient and want a winner now. And, Lucchino and Co. listen to these frustrated people and try to make moves for immediate satisfaction. Patience is not a virtue in the Nation.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2015 13:20:43 GMT -5
I'd be excited if they could add Carrasco and Kimbrell. Always depends on what you need to give up but I like those two players.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2015 13:22:23 GMT -5
No it's not but you have to acquire the right veterans. They need to be proven but still have a lot of prime left.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 31, 2015 13:23:20 GMT -5
No, it's just that some of us do not embrace mediocrity as readily as you. Two months of David Price just cost the Jays 6 plus years of their top prospect; a cost-controlled Carlos Carrasco will cost you three high-end prospects, and some filler. Essentially you'll be trading 15 to 20 potential WAR per year for a proven 5 WAR per year (at best) If this were a 90 win team that might make sense, but it's not; it's a 70 win team. After trading the high end prospects, there wouldn't be enough in the farm left to get this team to 95 wins. The reason you hoard prospects is (a) because a really high percentage of them and most everyone that is not a top 10 to 20 prospect is actually going to fail and (b) because the other 29 teams know that and are only going to offer you a fraction of what those prospects are worth. Over the last decade, the Red Sox have traded two to three times the WAR in prospects they have acquired in veterans. Last place teams can't afford to exchange talent at that ratio. The mistaken belief that prospects are trade bait is a big component in three last place finishes in four years. You are egregiously wrong www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospectsAccording to the article you just posted, once you get outside the top ten to twenty prospects, what's left is mostly utility players, back of the rotation starters and bullpen arms (an average MLB starter has a WAR around 2.0 I believe). How is that inconsistent with the point I was making? I probably should have said that the majority of players fail to be impact players and a last place team can't afford to trade multiple potential IMPACT players, even for a proven starter, but what I said wasn't wrong, let alone egregiously wrong.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2015 13:24:09 GMT -5
Bronx looks like they are about to make a move. DFA'd Jones, out righted Capuano and just moved a guy from the 60-day to AAA.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:37:02 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber 1m1 minute ago Hearing there was never any talk of three-way trade between #RedSox, Cubs, Padres. No doubt all three teams talking to each other, though.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:42:16 GMT -5
Jayson Stark @jaysonst 1m1 minute ago As #Padres fish for middle infielders & talk to #RedSox, rival exec reminds me AJ Preller was after Yoan Moncada before he signed in Boston
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 31, 2015 13:42:48 GMT -5
Jayson Stark @jaysonst 1m1 minute ago As #Padres fish for middle infielders & talk to #RedSox, rival exec reminds me AJ Preller was after Yoan Moncada before he signed in Boston Also, the Washington Senators really liked a young Joe Dimaggio.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:46:10 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 52s53 seconds ago The #Padres and #Cubs dealing primarily with one another, may not necessarily need 3rd team to pull off blockbuster involving Ross/Kimbrel
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 31, 2015 13:46:18 GMT -5
We're all out of Mondaca, but could we interest you in another Cuban?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:48:06 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox may be left without a chair when the music stops at 4pm.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 31, 2015 13:49:00 GMT -5
I'd be excited if they could add Carrasco and Kimbrell. Always depends on what you need to give up but I like those two players. Same here. Only negative with Kimbrell, is have been hoping to myself they try to ink Taz to some kind of extension after the season and if they get Kimbrell, that's probably not going to happen then.
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Post by 1mpaz10 on Jul 31, 2015 13:49:17 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox may be left without a chair when the music stops at 4pm. BC is either doing a lot very quietly or absolutely nothing.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:49:32 GMT -5
Jim Bowden @jimbowden_ESPN 59s59 seconds ago 1 Hour 12 minutes until the trade deadline ends & probably when #Padres announces a blockbuster #MLBTradeDeadline
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 31, 2015 13:50:59 GMT -5
Jayson Stark @jaysonst 1m1 minute ago As #Padres fish for middle infielders & talk to #RedSox, rival exec reminds me AJ Preller was after Yoan Moncada before he signed in Boston Also, the Washington Senators really liked a young Joe Dimaggio. Nice. Reports have also surfaced that the Cubs liked Babe Ruth but thought he was shaped too much like a Panda.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 13:54:52 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber 2m2 minutes ago In weekly WEEI interview, Farrell said he doesn't anticipate "major moves" before 4 p.m. #RedSox
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 31, 2015 13:57:12 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox may be left without a chair when the music stops at 4pm. One of the hardest things in life is to do nothing -- especially when nothing is the best available option.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2015 13:58:21 GMT -5
I think the FO should be eager to at least APPEAR interested in shaking up a situation that results in meaningless baseball being played from July forward. That's what is at stake, here. A record breaking finish in futility, an outlier WS, and 3 seasons of Pawsox baseball down the stretch. For a team rich in prospects and cash, this is downright bizarre. My father is a lifelong diehard fan....watches every game, knows every player, buys a couple tickets every year and pays astronomical prices to simply park his car. I think about people like him when considering how this team should be run. He doesn't read these message boards. He doesn't care that Miley's xFIP is decent. What he sees, year in and year out (lately), is a terrible product that has no light at the end of the tunnel. This team is one of the biggest dumpster fires in sports, and instead of grabbing a hose, we're standing around watching it smolder. Stop making excuses for this team. Stop making excuses for Ben's egregious mistakes. Stop settling for the outside chance at sustained dominance from 2019-2024......You don't think teams like the Astros, Cubs, and Twins are gonna be juggernauts too? I'd rather see Ben think like Preller. Shake things up. If it doesn't work out, shake it up again. Keep shaking this thing up like an Etch-A-Sketch until something sticks. You may consider that irresponsible or foolish, but what's the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario is exactly where we are at now. The worst case scenario is turning on NESN at 7:30 to see that visiting team is already up 7 runs. Yet I see so many who just want to maintain this status quo. I think the front office should be very concerned about what happens with another year or two of this crap. You really want Ben to think like Preller? Are you out of your mind? Preller gutted the Padres entire farm system to build a misshapen mediocrity which he has to dismantle. For all the mistakes Ben C has made, losing his vaunted farm system isn't one of them. The Sox still have a future. The Padres no longer have one. And you want the Sox to operate like Preller who wrecked the Padres present and future in one season?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 31, 2015 14:01:41 GMT -5
Looks like the Red Sox may be left without a chair when the music stops at 4pm. What's worse is that's because Theo traded for it and then smashed it before Cherington even knew what happened.
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