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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 15:04:31 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 7s8 seconds ago #Cubs gave Junior Lake to #Orioles for Tommy Hunter
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 31, 2015 15:05:35 GMT -5
Now is the time to start DFA'ing those bad FA contracts (Napoli, Masterson) that end after the season since it's become apparent that no other team is willing to give up the lowest of anything, or take on a dime of the remaining cash left.
Season is lost, lest some people from the minors play and see how they do (Shaw perhaps), or maybe pick up someone who has better talent via DFA from someone else (Worley), or call up Hembree.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 31, 2015 15:05:57 GMT -5
Nightengale says no Sox moves. Oh well, there always the year after next year. Sounds like Chiarelli and his clipped authority at the deadline. Perhaps John Henry remembered last trade deadline.
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Post by ethanbein on Jul 31, 2015 15:06:26 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal: "#Padres largely standing pat because GM A.J. Preller believes the team can reach the postseason, source says."
Anyone still want our GM to act like AJ Preller?
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 31, 2015 15:08:09 GMT -5
Bowden said the Padres made a small trade, but nothing has been said since.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 15:08:32 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 15s15 seconds ago #Mets gave up Fulmer and Cessa for Cespedes #Tigers Given that DET has no leverage at all, that's a very good deal. Big fan of Fulmer.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 31, 2015 15:10:48 GMT -5
Nightengale says no Sox moves. Oh well, there always the year after next year. What exactly would making a move do for next year? It isn't like Ross, Chapman, Kimbrel or Carrasco got moved, a.k.a. what everyone wanted us to go out and get. The one complaint is De Aza wasn't moved and now Farrell will probably trot him out way too often and not give JBJ the reps needed to make an informed decision on if the adjustments he made this year translate to the MLB. Outside of that everyone we had talked about wasn't traded and one would imagine if there is a possibility they get dealt it will be there in the offseason. All while allowing us, hopefully, to see what the younger arms can do in a small sample at the major league level. SELL. I think a lot of us wanted to see them sell assets in what was one of the more seller-friendly deadlines in recent memory. Koji, Holt and maybe Miley couldve brought back nice prospects and cleared room for some young players to show what they've got. Like JimEd said, we could still see some August moves, but neither of those three would clear waivers. So now its a wait and see on Napoli, De Aza, others for waiver trades. Not a good day for the FO in my opinion.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 31, 2015 15:11:30 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal: "#Padres largely standing pat because GM A.J. Preller believes the team can reach the postseason, source says." Anyone still want our GM to act like AJ Preller? Hahahah. Wow. I thought they would at least move Upton. I feel bad for Padres fans.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 15:12:30 GMT -5
The next task is to start putting people through waivers - Uehara, the FAs (De Aza, Napoli, Masterson and Breslow) as well as the underperformers (Porcello, Hanley, Sandoval) - and then hope that someone has an issue with a position manned by someone in our trade inventory.
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2015 15:12:49 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal: "#Padres largely standing pat because GM A.J. Preller believes the team can reach the postseason, source says." Anyone still want our GM to act like AJ Preller? Anyone want to try to figure out what BC acts like? He's been great with our farm, but downright awful with MLB transactions. We should make up a promotion for him that puts him in charge of the farm and scouting, then hire someone who's savvy with MLB level transactions. I would hate to see BC leave, but he's striking out with his decisions repeatedly. That being said, were in a better place than most teams, as hard as it is to see right now. Toronto just depleted their farm. The Yankees are riding Tex and Arod, two guys who are bound to have exceedingly high expectations next year. I really can't explain the Orioles ability to remain afloat, but they remain like the Pirates, afraid to really push for a WS. We have a killer farm and a couple all star level young guys already up, as well as a budding #3 or 2 with Rodriguez. Could be worse. We should've sold on Holt though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 15:13:51 GMT -5
It's hard to imagine that they could trade Uehara with Kimbrel and Chapman on the market and also not traded.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 31, 2015 15:14:19 GMT -5
Now is the time to start DFA'ing those bad FA contracts (Napoli, Masterson) that end after the season since it's become apparent that no other team is willing to give up the lowest of anything, or take on a dime of the remaining cash left. Season is lost, lest some people from the minors play and see how they do (Shaw perhaps), or maybe pick up someone who has better talent via DFA from someone else (Worley), or call up Hembree. Why rush? Place those guys on waivers in August. Who knows, a contending team may suffer an injury and could plug in a Napoli, deAza, Masterson, Breslow to help out short term. At least the Sox would get something, a low minors prospect for example.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 15:15:57 GMT -5
Scott Lauber @scottlauber 2m2 minutes ago Trade deadline tough time to get controllable pitching #RedSox were looking for. Sellers market. More likely to set groundwork for offseason
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Post by arzjake on Jul 31, 2015 15:21:35 GMT -5
Nightengale says no Sox moves. Oh well, there always the year after next year. What exactly would making a move do for next year? It isn't like Ross, Chapman, Kimbrel or Carrasco got moved, a.k.a. what everyone wanted us to go out and get. The one complaint is De Aza wasn't moved and now Farrell will probably trot him out way too often and not give JBJ the reps needed to make an informed decision on if the adjustments he made this year translate to the MLB. Outside of that everyone we had talked about wasn't traded and one would imagine if there is a possibility they get dealt it will be there in the offseason. All while allowing us, hopefully, to see what the younger arms can do in a small sample at the major league level. In that case it is up to Cherington to either fire Farrell or tell him to play youth so many days a week. No excuse not to play Castillo Bradley and call up Johnson Owens and possibly Shaw to see what you got. If it means DL a player so be it..
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 15:32:36 GMT -5
Can we trade Porcello for Fulmer and Cessa and spend $20m/yr on someone else in December?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2015 15:36:14 GMT -5
Nightengale says no Sox moves. Oh well, there always the year after next year. Sounds like Chiarelli and his clipped authority at the deadline. Perhaps John Henry remembered last trade deadline. I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2015 15:37:23 GMT -5
Can we trade Porcello for Fulmer and Cessa and spend $20m/yr on someone else in December? On who though? Zimmermann is a glorified 3, people are afraid of Orice hitting a wall, and Cueto has been overrated over the course of his career. None of them are young. I'd go Price if anyone personally, but there's risk without a doubt, especially since it would likely mean we go over the luxury tax threshold. I just pray that we maximize Owens' and Johnson's exposure. Get them ready for next year. Best case scenario, both are ready, and Miley or Johnson are the swing man for next year so we have legitimate depth (I really doubt there's a 4 lefty rotation not matter how arbitrary that is).
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 31, 2015 15:38:24 GMT -5
OK,..glad we didn't cough up some prospects. There was so much stress in the system I was afraid that management would overdose seeking a cure.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 31, 2015 15:40:35 GMT -5
I'm really upset that Koji and/or Holt weren't dealt. This GM is awful.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 15:40:58 GMT -5
Sounds like Chiarelli and his clipped authority at the deadline. Perhaps John Henry remembered last trade deadline. I was thinking the same thing. I don't really understand why. No cost controlled pitchers moved so we couldn't force a team to trade them. Koji wasn't moved but neither were Chapman or Kimbrel. Holt could have been moved but the Red Sox like him and probably didn't get blown away which the only way they should have moved him. De Aza is the guy I really thought would go, but I'd be surprised if they got a C- prospect for him so who cares? I really don't think there was any clipped authority because all of the guys they were rumored to be in on didn't get moved.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 15:41:30 GMT -5
Can we trade Porcello for Fulmer and Cessa and spend $20m/yr on someone else in December? On who though? Zimmermann is a glorified 3, people are afraid of Orice hitting a wall, and Cueto has been overrated over the course of his career. None of them are young. I'd go Price if anyone personally, but there's risk without a doubt, especially since it would likely mean we go over the luxury tax threshold. I just pray that we maximize Owens' and Johnson's exposure. Get them ready for next year. Best case scenario, both are ready, and Miley or Johnson are the swing man for next year so we have legitimate depth (I really doubt there's a 4 lefty rotation not matter how arbitrary that is). I don't care, I just would rather have Fulmer and Cessa.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 31, 2015 15:46:20 GMT -5
At least they're still going hard after the number 2 pick in the draft.
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Post by jdb on Jul 31, 2015 15:46:41 GMT -5
Hopefully Farrell doesn't play De Aza for a month showcasing him while Castillo/JBJ sit.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 31, 2015 16:37:09 GMT -5
Can't help but see the effects of the complete non-years had by Cecchini, Coyle, and Brentz here. Those were guys who'd seemed primed as second or third pieces in deals this deadline, and through injury or non-performance, have zero value right now.
In what otherwise has been a banner year for the farm system (I'd argue the top 10 is as deep as it's ever been), that's been the one disappointment, that the players in that tier have regressed so heavily (although Shaw's been pretty good and Marrero's just kind of held steady - and I guess you could argue Brentz's decline had already mostly happened).
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Post by cba82 on Jul 31, 2015 16:41:48 GMT -5
Cespedes is one of those players, seemingly, just good enough to be traded. Fourth organization in 12 months.
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