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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 6:16:44 GMT -5
I hate to say anything, but this franchise looks as if it may be playing and spending itself into a box canyon for the next few years at least. We may either have to sell the farm for some legitimate players, or take lumps with youngsters. Of course, if some of the injured youngsters/mid-career players come back and perform to historical/expected levels we may be OK. But this latest spending spree may really have hampered the team for awhile. In a few years some of that money will probably still be on the books for who knows what level of performance, and the good young players will be getting a lot more expensive. Plus, if the franchise can't turn itself around in a few years some of the youngsters will likely leave for greener pastures, performance wise. Legitimate players like Porcello, Sandoval and Ramirez? No, we need to figure out why everyone is 100x worse than expected. They didn't suck this bad before they got here.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 30, 2015 6:18:55 GMT -5
I wonder how much money we'd have to eat to trade Sandoval? Probably all of it at this point. Just sad. None of it. Sandoval would eat it all.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 30, 2015 7:11:34 GMT -5
I wonder how much money we'd have to eat to trade Sandoval? Probably all of it at this point. Just sad. I made the trek up to Boston to see last night's game and tonight. My nephew's first game at Fenway. He has seen them in Anaheim. Sandoval is an embarrassment. I remember many posters wondering why we were signing such a fat slob. And, we were warned by the mods not to pick on fat people. BC's fingerprings all over last night. Porcello with a dreadful outing and Sandoval leaving the game. Maybe, Hanley will pick us up tonight
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Post by jdb on Jul 30, 2015 7:27:48 GMT -5
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 9:14:11 GMT -5
Farrell also said the Sox intend to recall Johnson and Owens soon.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2015 9:38:11 GMT -5
Farrell also said the Sox intend to recall Johnson and Owens soon. I hate watching Wright and Kelly pitch, but at this point, I would phantom DL Porcello and keep Kelly in the rotation a little longer. Porcello needs to figure out what's wrong without the big league pressure. He can't keep the ball down. Less GB, tons of HRs. He could use a rehab stint.
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 10:08:52 GMT -5
I agree with you on Porcello. His start against Detroit showed why the Sox got him. I think his problems are easier to solve than Kelly's. There is some flaw in the way he is throwing the ball that is causing him to keep the ball up. For all we know it may be something simple. In any case, he needs to work it out.
On the other hand, Kelly just hasn't shown the command needed to be a starter. I am a little surprised they continue to keep him in that role. At this point there is nothing really wrong with letting him start other than the fact that it is delaying what I think is the inevitable. And it also is keeping Johnson and Owens from getting their chances.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 30, 2015 10:17:40 GMT -5
The questions is what do you do about it? Make him weigh in? Fine him if he goes over a certain weight? This kind of issue will probably have to be addressed by Pablo, and denial of it being an issue is something that often is the normal human reaction. The only alternative is someone with clout in the clubhouse telling him to shape up. It's a difficult dilemma to address.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2015 10:18:48 GMT -5
Porcello's main issue, as he's discussed a few times this season, is that when he throws both the four-seamer and the two-seamer, he has trouble keeping them as distinct pitches, which means the high four-seamer starts to drop into the heart of the zone and the low two-seamer starts to climb into the heart of the zone. In that great start against Detroit, he pitched primarily with the four-seamer up, and in other starts this year, he's had success primarily pitching with the two-seamer down (ADD: e.g., 7/8 vs. Miami, 6.0 IP, 4 Ks, 1 BB, 65% GB, 8 H, 2 ER). I'd like to see him commit one way or the other and see if that helps things.
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 11:37:29 GMT -5
That's good analysis and the kind of thing I was referring to when I wrote I thought there was something in the way he was pitching. I didn't think specifically about the four seamer and two seamer. I wasn't aware he was throwing both at the same time. I think you are right, that isn't a good idea.
Doesn't Kelly have that problem as well, in addition to his others?
This is something the pitching coach should be able to do something about. This is why they have pitching coaches.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 30, 2015 11:50:15 GMT -5
Apparently, Fat Pablo did hire a nutritionist/chef according to Gammons.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 12:26:19 GMT -5
Apparently, Fat Pablo did hire a nutritionist/chef according to Gammons. He did that last year. Lot of good it's doing.
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 13:04:38 GMT -5
They need to get him on a low-carb diet. I've lost 35 lbs since Christmas on one. His build and mine are somewhat similar, although I'm smaller all around. The advantage of a low carb diet is that it provides high energy. You never feel hungry. You just have to stay away from sugar, pasta, bread, potatoes, etc. - and that's the hard part.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 13:08:00 GMT -5
They need to get him on a low-carb diet. I've lost 35 lbs since Christmas on one. His build and mine are somewhat similar, although I'm smaller all around. The advantage of a low carb diet is that it provides high energy. You never feel hungry. You just have to stay away from sugar, pasta, bread, potatoes, etc. - and that's the hard part. It seems obvious to me that he's not interested in giving up food. There's just no way that a professional athlete who wants to lose weight can't lose weight.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 30, 2015 13:34:23 GMT -5
Eh... Prince Fielder is, or at least was, vegetarian for quite awhile. Some people are just chubby. And it's not like they signed Sandoval and he suddenly got complacent and ate too much IHOP and ballooned. The Red Sox signed a heavy guy and now seem unhappy that he's heavy.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 13:36:42 GMT -5
Eh... Prince Fielder is, or at least was, vegetarian for quite awhile. Some people are just chubby. And it's not like they signed Sandoval and he suddenly got complacent and ate too much IHOP and ballooned. The Red Sox signed a heavy guy and now seem unhappy that he's heavy. There's no way that Fielder is or was a low carb vegetarian. I bet there were zero chubby cavemen. What passes for food now days is what causes every bit of obesity.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 30, 2015 13:56:23 GMT -5
Oh good I was really looking forward to a bro-science based discussion of Sandoval's weight.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 30, 2015 14:42:13 GMT -5
Machi and Aro added, Nava DFA'd, Layne optioned
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2015 14:58:53 GMT -5
Machi and Aro added, Nava DFA'd, Layne optioned I'm pretty disappointed that they DFAed Nava rather than, say, optioned Rutledge or one of Bradley/Castillo or DFAed Breslow (I don't think they needed the 40-man spot, did they?). Nava has had a terrible year, but has a decent track record and cheap years of team control ahead of him. I suppose it's always possible that they pull him back off waivers (e.g., if De Aza gets traded, which would open up a roster spot) or trades him before he goes on waivers, but why take the risk?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2015 15:01:50 GMT -5
Or he could clear. He's cleared before.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2015 15:09:32 GMT -5
Or he could clear. He's cleared before. ...in May 2011. Since then, he's hit .270/.358/.391 (108 wRC+) in 1339 PAs and accumulated 4.2 fWAR (a prorated 1.9 fWAR per 600 PAs). I'm willing to bet that he doesn't clear waivers (or is pulled back/traded before we can find out). This is a more inexplicable DFA than the De Aza one.
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Post by bookiemetts on Jul 30, 2015 15:15:06 GMT -5
Poor JBJ continues his tour of starting against the best lefties in the league with Quintana yesterday and Sale today.
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 15:42:13 GMT -5
Oh good I was really looking forward to a bro-science based discussion of Sandoval's weight. I didn't mean to set one off. I should have put my comment in italics.
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Post by danr on Jul 30, 2015 15:43:57 GMT -5
I suspect the Sox tried to trade Nava and didn't get a taker. Maybe something will develop now, but he's not a trade deadline prize.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 16:06:31 GMT -5
Oh good I was really looking forward to a bro-science based discussion of Sandoval's weight. This is the main reason I never wanted to sign him. Because everyone has their theories and talk of his weight will never ever go away for the life of the contract.
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