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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 15:28:17 GMT -5
And Larry let the MFY know a new sheriff was in town. Labeling them the Evil Empire was a beautiful thing. Larry could trade barbs with the best of them. Yes. Because that's what you want and need your President/CEO of baseball operations doing - Trading barbs with other teams as well as the media. This franchise has won DESPITE having a lunatic in the front office.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2015 15:30:43 GMT -5
And Larry let the MFY know a new sheriff was in town. Labeling them the Evil Empire was a beautiful thing. Larry could trade barbs with the best of them. Yes. Because that's what you want and need your President/CEO of baseball operations doing - Trading barbs with other teams as well as the media. This franchise has won DESPITE having a lunatic in the front office. That seems a little dramatic. It was fun and didn't hurt a damn thing.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 2, 2015 17:56:51 GMT -5
Yes. Because that's what you want and need your President/CEO of baseball operations doing - Trading barbs with other teams as well as the media. This franchise has won DESPITE having a lunatic in the front office. That seems a little dramatic. It was fun and didn't hurt a damn thing. It sure does seem a little doesn't it... I was just picturing Pedro (right after the lunatic comment) rolling over on the ground with django beside him with all four paws up in the air.... whining "who's your daddy" ... This franchise wouldn't be the same good or bad without LL's 14 years of service.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 3, 2015 13:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Aug 3, 2015 14:14:33 GMT -5
I just read that piece and saw it as a nice list, give or take a name, of who NOT to hire. I've gotta say, I wouldn't be opposed to a Duquette return but ownership ran him out of town pretty quickly so I'm guessing that's not in the cards. I was also wondering if Jed Hoyer would be a consideration, though that may mean Ben's exit, as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2015 15:58:02 GMT -5
My God, Cafardo is absolutely nauseating. Carrying the water for his cronies as usual. It's amazing the Globe can employ the main beat writer who is straight out of the 1970s and is so out of touch and so out of time. And absolutely clueless.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 3, 2015 16:36:28 GMT -5
I just read that piece and saw it as a nice list, give or take a name, of who NOT to hire. I've gotta say, I wouldn't be opposed to a Duquette return but ownership ran him out of town pretty quickly so I'm guessing that's not in the cards. I was also wondering if Jed Hoyer would be a consideration, though that may mean Ben's exit, as well. I am all in on Jed Hoyer.He would be an excellent choice to be head of baseball operations. It would be a step up for him and he could bring Joe Madden over for GM. I doubt it happens, but that would be a coup for Henry and his crew. I have had enough of Farrell's Follies. Cherington is unknown to me. I think LL had alot to do with Hanley's signing and the Pablo signing also. If cherington continues to do the same, then he should go too.
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Post by nomar on Aug 3, 2015 16:43:55 GMT -5
I'd like Dombrowski. If we ever hired Bowden or Towers I would lose faith in this organization.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 3, 2015 17:38:03 GMT -5
he could bring Joe Madden over for GM. Do you mean John Madden? Or perhaps Joe Maddon? I can't tell, both seem equally unqualified.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 3, 2015 17:41:59 GMT -5
My God, Cafardo is absolutely nauseating. Carrying the water for his cronies as usual. It's amazing the Globe can employ the main beat writer who is straight out of the 1970s and is so out of touch and so out of time. And absolutely clueless. Even the beat guys that are ostensibly "respectable" baffle me. I heard Mcadam on TV last night saying that Joe Torre would be a good choice. Joe Torre just screams progressive to me, I don't know about you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:55:14 GMT -5
Sam Kennedy will be to Larry Lucchino what Dmitry Medvedev was to Vladimir Putin. This team needs leadership - Not a placeholder.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 3, 2015 18:31:35 GMT -5
I'd like Dombrowski. If we ever hired Bowden or Towers I would lose faith in this organization. I don't want to give you nightmares or anything, but Bobby freakin Valentine.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 3, 2015 22:12:47 GMT -5
Yes. Because that's what you want and need your President/CEO of baseball operations doing - Trading barbs with other teams as well as the media. This franchise has won DESPITE having a lunatic in the front office. That seems a little dramatic. It was fun and didn't hurt a damn thing. Dramatic indeed. Larry does have FIVE RINGS — not bad for a lunatic.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2015 15:09:55 GMT -5
Jason Beck @beckjason 51s51 seconds ago Tigers announce Al Avila as new general manager, executive VP of baseball operations.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2015 15:21:56 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 19s19 seconds ago Tigers let Dombrowski go to pursue other opportunities. A Red Sox source said club is not making a run at him.
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Post by curiousle on Aug 4, 2015 15:27:33 GMT -5
Larry might head to T.O. Beeston is done after this year, they need a prez who has run a stadium reno before and hey we have a revamped team now north of the border...or DD could come north of the border and try to sign the guy he just traded away.
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 16:04:40 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 19s19 seconds ago Tigers let Dombrowski go to pursue other opportunities. A Red Sox source said club is not making a run at him. This better be to spare Cherington's feelings over the last couple months of the season, because I would love Dombrowski as the new head of baseball ops guy.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2015 16:09:48 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 19s19 seconds ago Tigers let Dombrowski go to pursue other opportunities. A Red Sox source said club is not making a run at him. This better be to spare Cherington's feelings over the last couple months of the season, because I would love Dombrowski as the new head of baseball ops guy. Ditto.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2015 16:18:58 GMT -5
“@mikesilvermanbb: Source: Red Sox to give Dombrowski a call, but looks more like due diligence than anything else. Toronto-bound? t.co/Kx2Jjmm1P6Snip However, two steps may stand in the way of a Dombrowski-Red Sox pairing. One is that there is informed speculation within baseball circles that Dombrowski and the Blue Jays have the best match and that he is headed to Toronto. Another factor is that Dombrowski's philsophy of team-building may not jibe with the Red Sox' philosophy, the latter of which has more of an analytical bent. Dombrowski used to work for Red Sox principal owner John Henry when Henry owned the Marlins. Earlier today, Dombrowski, whose contract was expiring this year, was released from that contract by Detroit owner Mike Ilitch. One model that the Red Sox are considering for a reshaping of the baseball operations department would have a president of baseball operations position. That would be for somebody with a background such as Dombrowski.
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 16:25:30 GMT -5
“@mikesilvermanbb: Source: Red Sox to give Dombrowski a call, but looks more like due diligence than anything else. Toronto-bound? t.co/Kx2Jjmm1P6As discussed in the above link, Dombrowski has more of a scouting-focused reputation. On one hand, I'd obviously prefer a more analytically-inclined front office. On the other hand, Dombrowski has proven himself capable of building great teams with his scouting-centric approach, and he's not a guy who completely eschews sabermetric analysis, either. Here's an illustrative quote from October 2013:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2015 16:29:48 GMT -5
This better be to spare Cherington's feelings over the last couple months of the season, because I would love Dombrowski as the new head of baseball ops guy. Ditto. Dave Dombrowski is the perfect choice if he is looking to move up from being a general manager. I don't care about Ben's feeling do what's best for the Red Sox. I just have a feeling they will hire someone that will make them a ton of money over a guys that seems to value winning over money. If I am an owner that wants to win I hire Dave, If I want to make a ton of money I stay away from Dave because man does he give out Huge contracts!
Give Dave one offseason and we are contenders; Could see him signing Price and Cueto for a combined 375 million and telling the Owner how good of a deal it was because they were only 6 year deals and they didn't have to give up comp picks. Then to convince Hanley to move to 1B he gives him a 2 year 50 million extension.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 4, 2015 16:36:04 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski is the perfect choice if he is looking to move up from being a general manager. I don't care about Ben's feeling do what's best for the Red Sox. I just have a feeling they will hire someone that will make them a ton of money over a guys that seems to value winning over money. If I am an owner that wants to win I hire Dave, If I want to make a ton of money I stay away from Dave because man does he give out Huge contracts! I mean, you do know that Illitch in recent years didn't care about making money but only about getting a title, right? It's possible that Dombrowski is just capable of doing whatever it is the owners want him to do...
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 16:38:54 GMT -5
Yeah, recall that Dombrowski won a title with the 1997 Marlins and built the core of the Marlins team that later won in 2003.
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Post by notguilty on Aug 4, 2015 17:10:49 GMT -5
I don't get the excitement for Dombrowski; sounds like greener grass on the other side. I mean, I like him generally (and I must say he's a snappy dresser), but this ain't Friedmann we're talking about here. He's been giving contracts in Detroit that over the long run will make the Sandoval deal feel like a bargain(Verlander, Miggy, Fielder, etc.); will leave a farm system in pretty rough shape. I mean, Keith Law ranked Detroit's farm system the worst in baseball last January - it's probably a little better now thanks to recent trades. Year after year, his bullpens have been terrible. If DD was doing that in Boston, we'd be killing him on this board.
The excuse is always that the owner made him give the bad contracts, but that's quite a cop-out. People want to get rid of Ben, fine. But if Cherington gets fired, he'll leave a Red Sox team that's in much better shape to win in the short and medium terms than what Dombrowski is leaving in Detroit. I guess it depends on the role, and DD has the type of experience you're looking for in general, for a President of Baseball Ops role. But other than that, I really don't see much there that's fundamentally better than what we've got.
To me, option 1 is you keep Cherington, get rid of Allard Baird and find wherever Bill Lajoie (or somebody like that) is to work with Ben; if you get rid of Ben, go get whoever is the next analytically minded young GM out there (though you'd probably still need a Lajoie type).
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Post by jdb on Aug 4, 2015 18:03:09 GMT -5
I forget what article it was in but I think Henry's philosophies on team building has changed since he employed Dombrowski last. I think he sticks more with an analytical guy. DD has had a heck of a career but I think we go a different direction.
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