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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 11:27:39 GMT -5
I have to imagine that every single left handed hitter coming up through the Red Sox system is working on hitting to the opposite field.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 8, 2016 17:34:17 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher
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Post by pd on Jul 8, 2016 17:42:22 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher The ceiling is higher, but I think they're saying his projection is .265-.285. Doesn't mean he can't turn out better. Odd though that they couch his future in BA, when that generally seems to be an outdated stat to be using. RBI's would be much better.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 8, 2016 17:45:30 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher The scouting report was just that, a report on the observations during the games that were watched. There is little in there about ceiling, just honest evaluations of the player: his at-bats, the speed, the hitting prowess and so on. Here's a quote from the report: There's nothing in there to contradict the idea that he's a 5-tool player. The suggestion that he could be in the range of .265-.285 with a high OBP puts him in Bradley territory. That guy is headed to the all-star game this year, so that's decent company and probably does put him at or near the top of he minor league center-field prospect list.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 8, 2016 18:12:26 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher The scouting report was just that, a report on the observations during the games that were watched. There is little in there about ceiling, just honest evaluations of the player: his at-bats, the speed, the hitting prowess and so on. Here's a quote from the report: There's nothing in there to contradict the idea that he's a 5-tool player. The suggestion that he could be in the range of .265-.285 with a high OBP puts him in Bradley territory. That guy is headed to the all-star game this year, so that's decent company and probably does put him at or near the top of he minor league center-field prospect list. Some of the Bradley All-Star push has to do with his very strong start and his vaunted fielding/throwing ability. Beni is hitting .282 in AA at age 22 without the tag of "great fielder". He would be a very solid left fielder for us based on the present and in keeping with our 'small' team. Does his stature render him more prone to injury? Is his power limited to the pull side? If so will Fenway dampen that? I would love to keep him. I do think tho that he is more likely to be moved than Moncada if we make a bigger deal than Hellickson. I believe that Moncada is a cut above Benintendi.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2016 1:41:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I though the .265-.285 was a little low, particularly if one is considering a LH peppering the opposite field after realizing he can be a doubles machine, but it's not unfair. It's just conservative. If he settles in as a .280/.360/.450 OF, that's a very good LF if his defense is above-average. Personally, the 55 hit tool ranking seems low (I'd put him more in 60-65, .280-.300 territory), but that's just me. I certainly think he's got the capability to put up some .320/.400/.550 seasons, but that's a lot to ask of s guy with barely 100 PA in AA. If you look at Gabe Kapler's minor league numbers, you realize that even great athletes with solid work ethic aren't guaranteed major league stardom. m.bbref.com/m?p=XXregisterXXplayer.cgiQQid=kapler001gab&t=all_battingBenintendi can only dream of putting up the AA season at age 22 that Kapler did. .322/.393/.583 with 47 doubles, 28 HR, and 146 (yes, 146) RBI.
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Post by braziliansox on Jul 9, 2016 1:47:37 GMT -5
I'd guess that projection assumes a neutral environment, you can bump that up for Fenway Park.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 9, 2016 5:42:02 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher I firmly believe whichever scouting report tells me what I want to hear most and ignore the other. By the way, how many times have those other publications been out to see him?
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 9, 2016 11:55:53 GMT -5
Baseball America has the player listed as the #1 CF prospect in the game. Projected as a 5 tool player in a few other publications. This article has the player as a .265 285 hitter while scouting only 6 games and a marginal defensive player? Your scouting report cannot be accurate after watching only 6 games. I understand he might not be MMantle but you would have to think the ceiling is much higher I firmly believe whichever scouting report tells me what I want to hear most and ignore the other. By the way, how many times have those other publications been out to see him?I read many moons ago Baseball America received Scouting Reports direct from the Scouts who cover the Team's in any given League. 12 teams in the Eastern League, 8 teams in the Carolina League. In theory, 20 Scouts ranking the Player as a can't miss prospect this past season.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 9, 2016 12:58:53 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Dombrowski said he does not view Triple-A as a necessity. Has long jumped guys straight from Double-A to the majors.” “ evandrellich: Dombrowski said he’s comfortable jumping a player from AA to big leagues. #benintendiwatch”
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2016 14:43:37 GMT -5
I firmly believe whichever scouting report tells me what I want to hear most and ignore the other. By the way, how many times have those other publications been out to see him? I read many moons ago Baseball America received Scouting Reports direct from the Scouts who cover the Team's in any given League. 12 teams in the Eastern League, 8 teams in the Carolina League. In theory, 20 Scouts ranking the Player as a can't miss prospect this past season. Can't miss prospects can project to hit .275. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hitting .275, especially if it comes with above-average patience and power and plus corner outfield defense. Think Adam Eaton (another undersized player with a similar well-rounded skill set) with more power or Alex Gordon (.276/.355/.443, average of 4.5 fWAR per season since his breakout in 2011).
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Post by trotfan on Jul 9, 2016 14:47:59 GMT -5
Benny should be called up after the break for a test run ...I think he sticks right away .
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2016 17:47:47 GMT -5
Benny should be called up after the break for a test run ...I think he sticks right away . Yup.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2016 17:51:36 GMT -5
I read many moons ago Baseball America received Scouting Reports direct from the Scouts who cover the Team's in any given League. 12 teams in the Eastern League, 8 teams in the Carolina League. In theory, 20 Scouts ranking the Player as a can't miss prospect this past season. Can't miss prospects can project to hit .275. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hitting .275, especially if it comes with above-average patience and power and plus corner outfield defense. Think Adam Eaton (another undersized player with a similar well-rounded skill set) with more power or Alex Gordon (.276/.355/.443, average of 4.5 fWAR per season since his breakout in 2011). I will say, though, that when the post-trade report calls A "j" Basabe a hit-first player who looks like a .280 or even closer to .300 hitter with 10-12 HR power, and Benintendi is clearly a superior hitter both in terms of K rate and power, then it's not surprising that .265-.285 seems very conservative.
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Post by jmei on Jul 9, 2016 17:53:24 GMT -5
I don't disagree with that, but I think it's more being too bullish on J Basabe than being too bearish on Benintendi.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 9, 2016 18:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2016 23:40:06 GMT -5
Promoting Benintendi would indirectly make both Shaw and Hanigan more tradeable because it would free up Holt and Swihart from LF duties.
For Shaw and the future, we still have Sam Travis in the wings in addition to Moncada and Hanigan is backed up by Vazquez, and Butler as well as Swihart.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2016 2:00:30 GMT -5
Promoting Benintendi would indirectly make both Shaw and Hanigan more tradeable because it would free up Holt and Swihart from LF duties. For Shaw and the future, we still have Sam Travis in the wings in addition to Moncada and Hanigan is backed up by Vazquez, and Butler as well as Swihart. Which is why it's not crazy to think that Travis Shaw could be a trade piece now that Aaron Hill is here for the rest of the season.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 10, 2016 2:09:28 GMT -5
Promoting Benintendi would indirectly make both Shaw and Hanigan more tradeable because it would free up Holt and Swihart from LF duties. For Shaw and the future, we still have Sam Travis in the wings in addition to Moncada and Hanigan is backed up by Vazquez, and Butler as well as Swihart. Which is why it's not crazy to think that Travis Shaw could be a trade piece now that Aaron Hill is here for the rest of the season. Agreed and should net a decent return, cost controlled and has already put up a 2 WAR.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 10, 2016 13:24:57 GMT -5
Sam Travis is a trade piece also. The type of team we would be trading might not care that much about getting someone back this year. They may want a young guy who is cost controlled who might be a stud. Sam Travis is an excellent trade piece.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 10, 2016 23:35:59 GMT -5
Jim Bowden ranks Benintendi as the #1 Futures Game prospect likely to be traded before the deadline. He then goes on to say that it'll be for a top-of-the-rotation starter like Julio Teheran. All of which goes to show that not only is Bowden clueless, but he's simultaneously unaware of his own foolishness. Which, I guess, is the main issue facing stupid people, and more importantly, because it's they who notice, the people around them.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 12, 2016 13:43:41 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2016 14:37:08 GMT -5
So, ZiPS and Steamer has him as just under a 3.0 WAR player from 2017-2021 with a 2.2 first year and a 3.5 fifth year - essentially a Denard Span/Michael Brantley/Brett Gardner WAR type outfielder. Not bad, but based on the comments here, I would've thought he would be projected to be more like a 5.50 WARish Andrew McCutcheon type over those first five years. Let the rebellion begin.
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Post by nomar on Jul 12, 2016 15:49:21 GMT -5
So, ZiPS and Steamer has him as just under a 3.0 WAR player from 2017-2021 with a 2.2 first year and a 3.5 fifth year - essentially a Denard Span/Michael Brantley/Brett Gardner WAR type outfielder. Not bad, but based on the comments here, I would've thought he would be projected to be more like a 5.50 WARish Andrew McCutcheon type over those first five years. Let the rebellion begin. Andrew McCutchen didn't project to be Andrew McCutchen.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2016 18:30:08 GMT -5
Sam Travis is a trade piece also. The type of team we would be trading might not care that much about getting someone back this year. They may want a young guy who is cost controlled who might be a stud. Sam Travis is an excellent trade piece. It's highly unlikely any team is going to trade for a guy who tore his ACL in late May. The risk involved there will drive his trade value down significantly. While he's not a player whose legs are his calling card, the Red Sox would be selling low on him given the injury status. I just don't think it's likely that he (or Brian Johnson, for that matter) are going anywhere given their diminished value. Anyway, let's get back to having the Andrew Benintendi thread be about Andrew Benintendi! My two cents: start playing him in left field on Thursday, yes?
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