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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2015 12:03:03 GMT -5
This is like the Napoli/Abreu situation two years ago where the timing isn't great. If they win the bid (which will be announced a week from Friday, I think), it'll telegraph that they plan on trading Hanley, which kills some of their negotiating leverage. Of course, they don't have a ton of negotiating leverage to start with, and if they think Park is good enough, it shouldn't deter them from bidding on him. But it's something that popped into my head. There's no way that you can carry both Park and Ramirez on the roster, so if they add Park, Ramirez is a goner. If they don't think they can trade Ramirez at a reasonable enough cost in terms of salary moved, that's a disadvantage to adding Park.
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Post by nomar on Oct 28, 2015 12:07:57 GMT -5
Yeah, they'd have to be confident that they could salary dump Hanley, which I doubt. He's not as good as Abreu either, so it'd be as much of a risk as playing Hanley would be IMO.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -5
I had been hoping for and had thought that the Sox had to be the frontrunners for Park, but things have changed since I thought that.
The Sox have basically shoe-horned themselves into a 1b corner with Hanley. There's no way the Sox shed that salary, so Hanley will be back and the Sox will have to try to make 1b work with him.
It doesn't make sense to spend big $ on Park, have Hanley and his $22/million per year on the bench along with Travis Shaw, who gave them production last year during his partial season that if Park had produced the Sox would have been happy with it, and also have Sam Travis coming up very quickly in the pipeline.
So that's spending $35 million per year on the 1b position while an impressive player like Shaw is blocked and an impression rookie coming up like Travis would be blocked.
With the questions about 3b, corner OF, and particularly the bullpen, and the need for a TOR starter, it would be a complete misallocation of financial resources to chase Park at this point.
It's too bad. I think some other team will walk away pretty happy as I think Park will be a good hitting/reasonably priced 1b for some team.
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Post by mjammz on Oct 28, 2015 13:25:30 GMT -5
Given the lack of power in the lineup and in the pipeline I believe they'll make a competitive offer. They've scouted him all year and have met with his agents last winter. I think the chance to get a potential power bat at a discounted price (in relation to MLB FA dollars) will make the FO and ownership pursue this
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 28, 2015 14:10:15 GMT -5
Can Byung-Ho Park jump right into Fen-way Park? Is he ML ready right now? Or should he spend time in Pawtucket while DD sorts out the Hanley/Shaw/Papi First Base/DH situation. Timing, I agree, is not great. But, in a year, Hanley could be the DH with 1B up for grabs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 28, 2015 14:24:15 GMT -5
Given the way Jung Ho Kang hit this year, there's no reason to think Park would need time in the minors.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 28, 2015 14:32:52 GMT -5
The guy has legit pop: 105 f-ing home runs in the past TWO seasons combined. The KBO is a notorious hitter friendly league though.
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Post by borisman on Oct 28, 2015 15:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Oct 28, 2015 15:32:55 GMT -5
If you go all the way to #23 you see a top 15 in all of baseball prospect who was ours for about a month at the end of 2005.
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Post by gerry on Oct 28, 2015 15:40:07 GMT -5
As does Eric Thames, who was well travelled before signing overseas. He had power and speed here, but with awfull K/BB and CS ratios. Has he figured it out in Korea in his late 20's or is the pitching just that much lower quality? Must be fun to watch games there.
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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2015 15:44:04 GMT -5
Randomly enough, old friend (not really that old, and not that much of a friend) Luis Jimenez is on there too (at 48), and so is Jack Hanrahan, another journeyman minor leaguer who had a brief stint in the Boston organization.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 28, 2015 15:44:39 GMT -5
I still think we come away with him. We have been connected to him for like 3 years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2015 15:55:56 GMT -5
I still think we come away with him. We have been connected to him for like 3 years. The current circumstances have changed though.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 28, 2015 16:11:39 GMT -5
I still think we come away with him. We have been connected to him for like 3 years. The current circumstances have changed though. I highly doubt they only plan year to year. They knew about Hanley when they were scouting Park
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 28, 2015 16:16:53 GMT -5
The current circumstances have changed though. I highly doubt they only plan year to year. They knew about Hanley when they were scouting Park Scouting ≠ signing though.
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Post by jmei on Oct 28, 2015 16:33:36 GMT -5
The current circumstances have changed though. I highly doubt they only plan year to year. They knew about Hanley when they were scouting Park Eh, not really. They didn't know Hanley was a 1B/DH until, what, July 2015?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2015 16:38:45 GMT -5
The current circumstances have changed though. I highly doubt they only plan year to year. They knew about Hanley when they were scouting Park They obviously planned for Hanley to play LF. That's not going to happen now. They're stuck with him, and they're stuck with him at 1b, and now Travis Shaw is also a viable option, one that is much more viable than previously anticipated. And Sam Travis is coming along faster than anticipated. Those things were unforeseen a year ago.
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Post by bigpupp on Oct 28, 2015 17:39:33 GMT -5
The current circumstances have changed though. I highly doubt they only plan year to year. They knew about Hanley when they were scouting Park Right, but the man in charge has changed from when they scouted him heavily. Not that Hazen can't make a push for him, but it's Dombrowski's call and he might not be as attached to him as Cherington was.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 28, 2015 22:52:46 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone on the board will complain if he starts next season off as he did this one. If he can do that for a few months without injuring himself, that's the time to sell high. That makes it unlikely that the Sox bring in Park, in my estimation. It also makes it very likely that some version of your master plan is adopted. Of course, Dombrowski hasn't contacted me lately, and he may have other plans.
Travis Shaw might be. attractive to a few teams. If the Sox were to get a solid offer, he might go first. I do think they'll find a way to get Sam Travis time on the big club. If he continues to hit as he did this season, that will happen sooner rather than later.
One or more of these options will be exercised before the season is too far along. There will be changes, players will get moved. I see the current FO being a lot more active in the trade market than Cherrington ever was.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 29, 2015 8:56:18 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone on the board will complain if he starts next season off as he did this one. If he can do that for a few months without injuring himself, that's the time to sell high. That makes it unlikely that the Sox bring in Park, in my estimation. It also makes it very likely that some version of your master plan is adopted. Of course, Dombrowski hasn't contacted me lately, and he may have other plans. Travis Shaw might be. attractive to a few teams. If the Sox were to get a solid offer, he might go first. I do think they'll find a way to get Sam Travis time on the big club. If he continues to hit as he did this season, that will happen sooner rather than later. One or more of these options will be exercised before the season is too far along. There will be changes, players will get moved. I see the current FO being a lot more active in the trade market than Cherrington ever was. I've heard this before. Let's sell high when he's producing. But if he's producing, why would we want to sell at all......If he's a legit power threat in the middle of the lineup, I'd say roll with him. Defense is another story though, just a huge unknown there.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 29, 2015 10:46:51 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone on the board will complain if he starts next season off as he did this one. If he can do that for a few months without injuring himself, that's the time to sell high. That makes it unlikely that the Sox bring in Park, in my estimation. It also makes it very likely that some version of your master plan is adopted. Of course, Dombrowski hasn't contacted me lately, and he may have other plans. Travis Shaw might be. attractive to a few teams. If the Sox were to get a solid offer, he might go first. I do think they'll find a way to get Sam Travis time on the big club. If he continues to hit as he did this season, that will happen sooner rather than later. One or more of these options will be exercised before the season is too far along. There will be changes, players will get moved. I see the current FO being a lot more active in the trade market than Cherrington ever was. I've heard this before. Let's sell high when he's producing. But if he's producing, why would we want to sell at all......If he's a legit power threat in the middle of the lineup, I'd say roll with him. Defense is another story though, just a huge unknown there. That's why Dombrowski is the head of baseball ops, and not you or I. It's the toughest thing, and not just in baseball. There are lots of analogies, gambling being the meta-example. Do you sell high and pull your stakes when you're winning? Why would you do that, you're on a hot streak, you're winning. The smart money walks away, but many people just keep throwing it down on the table. Knowing when to do that has been one of the guy's skills, as well as knowing who to pickup as a breakout candidate. He's made a few mistakes, Randy Johnson the biggest, but he's had successes as well. The reason for moving Ramirez would revolve around the expected production from Shaw, and especially Travis. If Ramirez is healthy and hitting, and if Travis delivers on the promise he showed this year, that makes it much easier to do just that: sell high, get a decent return, and go with the young guys. It does take a thick hide to do the latter in Boston. It didn't happen last year till the team was completely out of it, unfortunately. I think this guy is a little more cold-blooded than Cherrington was. Let's see what happens.
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Post by nomar on Oct 29, 2015 11:23:45 GMT -5
If he comes around the same price as Kang, which he should (even with Kang's success) because he's slightly more risky given his K rate, I would just go for it.
If we're not too worried about the luxury tax this year, this could be a solid venture to take. If he starts as a bench bat so be it. Hanley always gets hurt and if Pablo doesn't improve, Shaw could see some time at 3B if he isn't traded.
If he's getting paid significantly more than Kang and we plan on keeping Hanley, I'd pass. The connection between us and his team make me think we are likely to be involved as grandsalami is saying.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 29, 2015 11:42:02 GMT -5
I seriously doubt anyone on the board will complain if he starts next season off as he did this one. If he can do that for a few months without injuring himself, that's the time to sell high. That makes it unlikely that the Sox bring in Park, in my estimation. It also makes it very likely that some version of your master plan is adopted. Of course, Dombrowski hasn't contacted me lately, and he may have other plans. Travis Shaw might be. attractive to a few teams. If the Sox were to get a solid offer, he might go first. I do think they'll find a way to get Sam Travis time on the big club. If he continues to hit as he did this season, that will happen sooner rather than later. One or more of these options will be exercised before the season is too far along. There will be changes, players will get moved. I see the current FO being a lot more active in the trade market than Cherrington ever was. And then what happens if he has a season like last year again? The entire season is lost because we're more worried about selling high than giving him away?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2015 11:50:57 GMT -5
If he comes around the same price as Kang, which he should (even with Kang's success) because he's slightly more risky given his K rate, I would just go for it. If we're not too worried about the luxury tax this year, this could be a solid venture to take. If he starts as a bench bat so be it. Hanley always gets hurt and if Pablo doesn't improve, Shaw could see some time at 3B if he isn't traded. If he's getting paid significantly more than Kang and we plan on keeping Hanley, I'd pass. The connection between us and his team make me think we are likely to be involved as grandsalami is saying. The speculation is that he's going to get more money than Kang did, precisely because Kang was so good.
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Post by nomar on Oct 29, 2015 11:56:10 GMT -5
If he comes around the same price as Kang, which he should (even with Kang's success) because he's slightly more risky given his K rate, I would just go for it. If we're not too worried about the luxury tax this year, this could be a solid venture to take. If he starts as a bench bat so be it. Hanley always gets hurt and if Pablo doesn't improve, Shaw could see some time at 3B if he isn't traded. If he's getting paid significantly more than Kang and we plan on keeping Hanley, I'd pass. The connection between us and his team make me think we are likely to be involved as grandsalami is saying. The speculation is that he's going to get more money than Kang did, precisely because Kang was so good. That's too bad. They really aren't too similar at all offensively. I don't like basing things like contract off of one other player's translation to the MLB. But all it takes is one team to bite and move the bar up, so it's not surprising.
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