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Post by mgoetze on Sept 1, 2015 8:32:59 GMT -5
Anyone figure out when he's rule 5 eligible yet? This year, and he's not going to be protected or selected. That does seem unlikely, but it would have been nice if they'd gotten the same PTBNL protection for this deal as they got in the Doubront-to-the-Cubs deal.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2015 8:35:59 GMT -5
Anyone figure out when he's rule 5 eligible yet? This year, and he's not going to be protected or selected. Yeah, but good to know he has 3 options anyway. Edit - guess I should have known that given that he wasn't a "PTBNL" so he obviously wasn't on the 40 man.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 1, 2015 8:36:42 GMT -5
I believe he is Rule 5 eligible next year. He was signed at 20 and this is his third pro season, right?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2015 9:19:26 GMT -5
Anyone figure out when he's rule 5 eligible yet? This year, and he's not going to be protected or selected. Ysla? He actually wasn't signed until 2013. He's not eligible until December 2016.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 1, 2015 9:31:30 GMT -5
This year, and he's not going to be protected or selected. Ysla? He actually wasn't signed until 2013. He's not eligible until December 2016. So, that's a bit of time to figure out what he might be worth going forward.
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Post by sdl on Sept 1, 2015 9:55:49 GMT -5
Essentially, the Red Sox traded 23YO RHP Joe Gunkel for 1.4 WAR and 23YO LHP Luis Ysla. Ysla is a lotto ticket with a big arm and not a lot of control over it. I just took a look at Gunkel's numbers with Bowie. Thanks, Ben....
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 1, 2015 10:06:31 GMT -5
This year, and he's not going to be protected or selected. Ysla? He actually wasn't signed until 2013. He's not eligible until December 2016. He signed in 2012 but wasn't assigned to a team until 2013. Assuming that the "effective season of the player's original contract" was 2013, then Chris is correct and my original answer was incorrect. If the "effective season of the player's original contract" was 2012, then he is Rule 5 eligible this year.
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Post by alnipper on Sept 1, 2015 10:08:40 GMT -5
Will this guy make our top 60? I would put him between 40 and 60.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 1, 2015 10:10:43 GMT -5
Many will have see these tweets: Matt Huegel 45m45 minutes ago Overall, Ysla has a .439 BAbip against this year, which is very high (read: unlucky on balls falling in). Cal League probably explains that. Matt Huegel 49m49 minutes ago Ysla's 2015 numbers after first 5 outings: 4.52 ERA, 81 K/27 BB in 65 2/3 IP. Also, high .407 BAbip over that time due to California League. Matt Huegel 51m51 minutes ago New #RedSox prospect Luis Ysla, acquired for De Aza, has ugly numbers on the season, but since first five appearances has been better.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2015 10:37:43 GMT -5
Ysla? He actually wasn't signed until 2013. He's not eligible until December 2016. He signed in 2012 but wasn't assigned to a team until 2013. Assuming that the "effective season of the player's original contract" was 2013, then Chris is correct and my original answer was incorrect. If the "effective season of the player's original contract" was 2012, then he is Rule 5 eligible this year. I was going by a link that said he signed in 2013. If he signed in 2012, you're right.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Sept 1, 2015 10:38:23 GMT -5
This sounds like the kind of move a good analytics department makes. Identifying a guy who likely has only fallen in value because of an abnormally high BABIP combined with a rough start. Can't expect much for De Aza this late in the game, but picking up a power lefty lotto ticket doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2015 12:12:51 GMT -5
Essentially, the Red Sox traded 23YO RHP Joe Gunkel for 1.4 WAR and 23YO LHP Luis Ysla. Ysla is a lotto ticket with a big arm and not a lot of control over it. I just took a look at Gunkel's numbers with Bowie. Thanks, Ben.... Guys pitchers in the lower minors put up numbers all the time and never reach the Majors. You need to wait this one out. I for one think Ysla has more upside. A power lefty that throws that hard could be a real weapon in the pen in a few years. What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2015 13:09:57 GMT -5
From 108 Stitches:
Hopefully I'll see him this weekend in Potomac.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 1, 2015 13:23:28 GMT -5
Hate to profess stupidity, but what is meant by a "lotto ticket"?
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 1, 2015 13:26:59 GMT -5
Hate to profess stupidity, but what is meant by a "lotto ticket"? you can strike gold, or get nothing
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 1, 2015 13:54:49 GMT -5
Nevermind....I think it just means that he is hope for a huge upside as a reliever and in that sense a lottery ticket win.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 1, 2015 14:04:33 GMT -5
... What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever? Yes, please. We'll take three.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 1, 2015 14:51:17 GMT -5
BBA story from trade links to their story from last week featuring (among others) Henry O and Ysla www.baseballamerica.com/minors/baseballist-nine-pitching-prospects-took-control-second-half/The Baseballist: Nine Pitching Prospects Who Took Control In The Second Half August 28, 2015 by Matt Eddy 3. Henry Owens, lhp, Red Sox Owens seemed to find a handle on the strike zone in 2014, when he walked 3.3 batters per nine innings at two stops, but he backslid .... A second-half surge ...[then] three good starts in four tries in the big leagues, holding onto his control gains thus far. 7. Luis Ysla, lhp, Giants The 23-year-old Venezuelan lefty throws a fine changeup, can run his fastball up to 94 mph and won the ERA title in last year’s South Atlantic League. Despite all this, Ysla fared poorly through his first five appearances at high Class A San Jose this season (14.14 ERA, .456 opponent average) to earn a banishment to the bullpen. He resurfaced in the rotation in mid-July, and from that point forward he has a more manageable 4.20 ERA and 42-to-10 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 30 innings.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 1, 2015 15:16:08 GMT -5
... What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever? Yes, please. We'll take three. I think we built our current bullpen corp out of guys with upside of average reliever. I'll take upside of good reliever, thanks
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2015 18:23:40 GMT -5
... What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever? Yes, please. We'll take three. This year they've been hard to come by, but they're usually easy as hell. Where is Burke Badenhop these days?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 2, 2015 0:04:41 GMT -5
... What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever? Yes, please. We'll take three. His upside is average reliever chances are he never gets there. Also you don't want average relievers, you want above average to good relievers, there's a massive difference.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 2, 2015 0:27:31 GMT -5
Yes, please. We'll take three. His upside is average reliever chances are he never gets there. Also you don't want average relievers, you want above average to good relievers, there's a massive difference. umassgrad2005: If that girl can drop 150 pounds, shave her back, and fix her limp she could end up being a solid 5. benogliviesbrother: Yes, please. We'll take three.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 2, 2015 7:01:07 GMT -5
I'll the Gunkel for Ysla swap anyday. Gunkel has shiny numbers but I think he'll be a very fungible bullpen arm. Ysla throws some heat from left side and needs some more experience and ability to harness it better. I'll go with that, thanks.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 2, 2015 8:44:25 GMT -5
The Red Sox also got three months of De Aza along with Gunkel-for-Ysla. The team didn't get back into contention in those three months, but that was no fault of De Aza who played admirably. Gunkel's upside is of a useful player, but if he's the guy another team wants in order to upgrade the team now, you don't hold back.
Given the Orioles outfield situation, DFAing De Aza after a couple bad months ended up being a pretty bad move by them.
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Post by raftsox on Sept 2, 2015 8:45:16 GMT -5
Yikes opponents are hitting .330 against Ysla this year Believe me when I say that you can knock 20% of the hits off of his total. You need to have a feel for how grossly exaggerated the offensive environments are in both the Pacific Coast League and the California League. I'm remembering the "amazing" years the Sox players had in Lancaster. Guys like Aaron Bates, Lars Anderson, Zach Daeges, etc. We all thought they were legit 30 homer threats.
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