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Post by larrycook on May 1, 2016 0:50:42 GMT -5
By mid June, Johnson could be the in house option to layne.
Johnson is still working his way back into form, but in six more weeks, he should be at the top of his game.
But his best avenue for helping the team could be via the pen.
Doesn't workman come back in July, if all goes well. He might be able to give us something in the pen once tawaza''s arm falls off, especially since Farrell is using Tawaza in 8 to zip games against the Yankees.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 1, 2016 18:07:59 GMT -5
Tazawa hadn't pitched in almost a week. Wadda ya gonna do, let him rust?
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Post by James Dunne on May 1, 2016 20:48:23 GMT -5
Yeah I've probably been the most critical person around here regarding the overuse of Tazawa, but getting him some work last night is fine. Less fine with him pitching 8 times in 11 days earlier in the month but it's good the offense exploded against some crummy teams to get the back end of the bullpen some rest.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 1, 2016 23:13:24 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 7m7 minutes ago #RedSox optioned INF Marco Hernandez. That opens a spot to activate RHP Carson Smith on Tuesday.
Back to a 3 man bench.
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Post by mattpicard on May 1, 2016 23:38:49 GMT -5
Interesting. But our regulars are locked in, and I'd rather Hernandez play every day than sit on the bench.
It'll be interesting to see how Farrell balances Smith with Taz and Koji. A good issue to have.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 1, 2016 23:51:28 GMT -5
Interesting. But our regulars are locked in, and I'd rather Hernandez play every day than sit on the bench. It'll be interesting to see how Farrell balances Smith with Taz and Koji. A good issue to have. That's how I see it, especially since the regulars get the day off tomorrow. They might revert back when they come home again. We're going to luck out against the White Sox. Should be Buchholz, Owens & Wright against Quintana, Danks and Rodon. I'm glad we didn't line up with Price vs Sale. Baltimore just won their games facing Danks and Rodon.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2016 8:17:11 GMT -5
Quintana is a REALLY good pitcher btw...
Also, I agree Barnes hasn't been as good as his numbers indicate but I take that as an opportunity to keep him here. We are still trying to develop talent while winning games and Barnes is getting that chance. He hasn't been sharp but has gotten away with it. I'd let him keep pitching and building confidence. The more he sees he can get big league hitters out even while not pitching well the better be will become by learning to trust his stuff. I hope.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 2, 2016 8:17:28 GMT -5
Excited to I see Smith throw.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 2, 2016 10:01:30 GMT -5
I think I'd let Layne go. I'd trust Hembree all day over him. Plus Hembree can give you a few innings if need be. Also there are very few elite LHH in the AL (maybe Chris Davis & one or 2 others). I'd hate to waste a pen spot for him. If you need a loogy, just throw Ross against Davis, Cano, Alex Gordon, Rasmus, ect. Also would like to keep Barnes up for the reasons RJP said.
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Post by mgoetze on May 2, 2016 10:14:48 GMT -5
I think most posters considered Layne an automatic include in the bullpen before the season started. Since then he has pitched all of 5 innings, his fastball velocity has been as good as ever (0.5 mph less is pretty typical for April) and his plate discipline numbers have even been better than previously. Anyone who says Layne should be cut now and wasn't saying the same thing a month ago is just being silly.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 2, 2016 10:33:41 GMT -5
I think it has to be Barnes as the tough luck demotion. With the loss of Escobar, our LHRP depth is just RRJ and Layne (and maybe Jerez later in the year). If we cut Layne and Ross gets hurt, we don't have a viable LHRP option unless you move Elias, Owens, or Johnson there. I can see this move later in the year, but for now we don't need to force it when Barnes and Hembree have options. Ross, Layne, and Hembree will be more than enough MRP for now, and if we have a long game, we can always option Hembree and bring back Barnes or Light. Such is the life of a middle reliever.
I think the bullpen is in pretty good shape.
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Post by dmaineah on May 2, 2016 13:19:52 GMT -5
If he is called up for the White Sox series who should be sent down? Hembree, Ross, Barnes? Can't send Layne down, he's out of options. Go back to a 13 man pen? Send down Rutledge or Hernandez? Is there somebody banged up & could use a 15 day DL stint? Pete Abraham @peteabe 7m7 minutes ago #RedSox optioned INF Marco Hernandez. That opens a spot to activate RHP Carson Smith on Tuesday. Back to a 3 man bench. They should have sent down Rutledge & kept the Left Handed Bat of Hernandez. Plus I'd rather have Hernandez play SS, 2B OR 3B if needed, rather then have Holt come in & Young go into the OF.
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Post by Coreno on May 2, 2016 21:32:29 GMT -5
Hasn't Ross been more effective vs RHB in his career??? Layne should be on this team, but Farrell needs to learn how to use him.
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Post by thursty on May 2, 2016 21:40:38 GMT -5
I think most posters considered Layne an automatic include in the bullpen before the season started. Since then he has pitched all of 5 innings, his fastball velocity has been as good as ever (0.5 mph less is pretty typical for April) and his plate discipline numbers have even been better than previously. Anyone who says Layne should be cut now and wasn't saying the same thing a month ago is just being silly. Well, there's the little matter of the manager's refusal to use him
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Post by mgoetze on May 2, 2016 21:52:54 GMT -5
I think most posters considered Layne an automatic include in the bullpen before the season started. Since then he has pitched all of 5 innings, his fastball velocity has been as good as ever (0.5 mph less is pretty typical for April) and his plate discipline numbers have even been better than previously. Anyone who says Layne should be cut now and wasn't saying the same thing a month ago is just being silly. Well, there's the little matter of the manager's refusal to use him Well OK, I guess everyone knows my opinion on how to resolve that issue by now...
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Post by ericmvan on May 3, 2016 19:29:37 GMT -5
Well, there's the little matter of the manager's refusal to use [Layne] Well OK, I guess everyone knows my opinion on how to resolve that issue by now... It does take a savvier manager to find a role for a LOOGY in a bullpen stocked with elite guys with neutral splits. But he shouldn't be useless.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 4, 2016 10:42:34 GMT -5
Didn't see the game last night, but saw the highlights. Barnes looked like he was throwing really hard. 98 from what I saw, with a hammer in his back pocket. Scary having Hembree & Barnes as your "mop up guys".
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Post by tjb21 on May 5, 2016 13:51:28 GMT -5
This bullpen is fun to watch. That's my analysis.
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Post by jmei on Jun 14, 2016 11:18:07 GMT -5
Per the ProJo, Varvaro has a June 15th opt-out in his contract. He's pitched really well in Pawtucket-- certainly well enough that you'd think he'd opt out and try to get a major league deal-- so it's a question of whether the Red Sox want to add him or risk losing him. If they decide to add Varvaro, there's not really an easy demotion candidate, especially since they're already working with an eight-man bullpen that probably needs to be trimmed once they need a fifth starter again this weekend. Assuming Elias gets called up as the fifth starter, they'd need two roster spots for Elias and Varvaro, and their options are: - Option Barnes
- Option Hembree
- DFA Layne
- DFA Buchholz
- Go with a three-man bench (option Hernandez or DFA Rutledge)
Of those options, I would probably DFA Layne (he's not getting used enough, and Varvaro is excellent versus lefties while still being useful versus righties) and go with a three-man bench (DFA Rutledge).
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Post by Costigan on Jun 14, 2016 11:24:46 GMT -5
Per the ProJo, Varvaro has a June 15th opt-out in his contract. He's pitched really well in Pawtucket-- certainly well enough that you'd think he'd opt out and try to get a major league deal-- so it's a question of whether the Red Sox want to add him or risk losing him. If they decide to add Varvaro, there's not really an easy demotion candidate, especially since they're already working with an eight-man bullpen that probably needs to be trimmed once they need a fifth starter again this weekend. Assuming Elias gets called up as the fifth starter, they'd need two roster spots for Elias and Varvaro, and their options are: - Option Barnes
- Option Hembree
- DFA Layne
- DFA Buchholz
- Go with a three-man bench (option Hernandez or DFA Rutledge)
Of those options, I would probably DFA Layne (he's not getting used enough, and Varvaro is excellent versus lefties while still being useful versus righties) and go with a three-man bench (DFA Rutledge). I would do the same as you (DFA Layne and Rutledge) but my gut feeling is the Sox will DFA Layne and option Hernandez back down to AAA. Hopefully they don't let Varvaro walk, he's likely a better piece than the not often used Layne.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 14, 2016 12:37:06 GMT -5
Per the ProJo, Varvaro has a June 15th opt-out in his contract. He's pitched really well in Pawtucket-- certainly well enough that you'd think he'd opt out and try to get a major league deal-- so it's a question of whether the Red Sox want to add him or risk losing him. If they decide to add Varvaro, there's not really an easy demotion candidate, especially since they're already working with an eight-man bullpen that probably needs to be trimmed once they need a fifth starter again this weekend. Assuming Elias gets called up as the fifth starter, they'd need two roster spots for Elias and Varvaro, and their options are: - Option Barnes
- Option Hembree
- DFA Layne
- DFA Buchholz
- Go with a three-man bench (option Hernandez or DFA Rutledge)
Of those options, I would probably DFA Layne (he's not getting used enough, and Varvaro is excellent versus lefties while still being useful versus righties) and go with a three-man bench (DFA Rutledge). I believe the Sox believe that Rutledge's offensive improvement is mostly for real, in that he's doing something or other different. He's a useful platoon option for Shaw. A three-man bench is tough when Castillo is one of them. Optioning Hernandez leaves Rutledge as the backup SS, a position he can't field adequately. I think they need to option Hembree again (although I might send down Barnes instead). They should be able to get a C- prospect for Layne from a contender who actually has elite LHB in their division and could use a legitimate LOOGY, and who is unsure that he'll make it through to them on waivers. If there are two such clubs, they might even get someone vaguely interesting. (My status tells you why I'm not trying to identify those teams, and why I didn't Google up the stories on Rutledge's hitting!)
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Post by jmei on Jun 14, 2016 14:24:17 GMT -5
Rutledge is zero for his last 14 with seven strikeouts (two walks). For the year, he has a 32.7% strikeout rate and has required a .433 BABIP to put up a good-but-not-great 102 wRC+. I agree that a RHH 3B option would be a good get (and started a thread in the trade proposal subforum on that subject), but I don't think Rutledge is that guy (the projection systems see him as a replacement-level player, and he's been below replacement level over his career to date), and I think it's more likely than not that he clears waivers.
I could buy optioning Hembree or Barnes instead of DFAing Rutledge, but I think that gives you a worse overall roster and just delays the inevitable Rutledge DFA.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 15, 2016 0:33:38 GMT -5
If we had a manager who could handle a pen competently, I think we'd be fine with Tazawa in the 8th and Uehara, Ross, and Varvaro smartly mixed-and-matched for the 7th. Hembree and Barnes are the mopup guys.
Since that will never happen, I think it likely that we'll be in the market for a reliever. Bowden lists the following as folks his GM contacts say they'll be pursuing:
Aroldis Chapman Andrew Miller Arodys Vizcaino (Atl) Fernando Rodney (SD) Jeremy Jeffress (Mil) Jeanmar Gomez (Phi)
He has the Sox as players for the last four.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 15, 2016 16:19:02 GMT -5
I'm confused - why would you need to DFA two major league players just to bring up Varvaro? If you DFA an MLB arm, you're good, right? Also, you've already got an 8-man bullpen, so I can't see Rutledge being the move yet.
With Elias coming up on Friday, Hembree is getting optioned anyway. Options seem to be
Let Varvaro walk Or DFA Layne Or Option Hembree, DFA Coyle (option Hernandez or Barnes on Friday) (I figure if they're going to DFA Layne or Rutledge, that happens today if they're adding Varvaro) Or DFA Rutledge (option Hembree on Friday)
The bench is short enough as it is. It really seems to be Layne vs. Varvaro is the decision (or give Varvaro a financial incentive to push back his opt out, which I think they've done before).
Edit: nevermind, I get it now. Anyway, seems clearly to be Varvaro vs Layne for a spot. Devil you know or devil you don't?
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Post by jmei on Jun 15, 2016 16:22:31 GMT -5
The idea is that you also need a countermove for Elias, and I don't think it's a guarantee that optioning Hembree is that countermove.
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