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Red Sox acquire Craig Kimbrel for Margot, Guerra +
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2015 21:49:06 GMT -5
Without a doubt the most negative instant reaction I have ever had to a Red Sox trade. Barf.
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Post by sportnik on Nov 13, 2015 21:50:24 GMT -5
We had a nice run while it lasted, but I fear were going back to the Old Towne team of my youth. Dombrowski appears to be Lou Gorman with nice hair. God I hated those years.
Theo, come home! Lucchino is gone, so you won't have to sneak around in a gorilla suit!
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Nov 13, 2015 21:52:12 GMT -5
I think you are. I am guessing Dombrowski tried hard on Chapman and the price was Margot plus another piece. At that point why trade it for a one year rental? If Margot plus guys A ball and below got you a top tier starter I am sure Dave would have been all over that. If we can survive this offseason without trading anyone else from the top 10, and we build a solid rotation, I guess I can deal with this trade. That is my rationalization. I don't like the deal if they go out and trade Moncada, AB, Espinoza, etc. to rebuild the rest of the team. It sucks especially when they could have held Miller last year but different regimes. Hopefully that is the narrative and we just splurge in FA but I guess we shall see.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 13, 2015 21:52:58 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm late to the party and haven't read the rest of the thread, but I just want to say that this is a truly, truly terrible trade. The party music is a dirge.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 13, 2015 21:53:23 GMT -5
If we can survive this offseason without trading anyone else from the top 10, and we build a solid rotation, I guess I can deal with this trade. That is my rationalization. I don't like the deal if they go out and trade Moncada, AB, Espinoza, etc. to rebuild the rest of the team. It sucks especially when they could have held Miller last year but different regimes. Hopefully that is the narrative and we just splurge in FA but I guess we shall see. If we woulda kept miller we wouldn't have erod
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 13, 2015 21:53:55 GMT -5
Without a doubt the most negative instant reaction I have ever had to a Red Sox trade. Barf. Please explain.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 21:53:38 GMT -5
My take:
If DD goes out and signs David Price or Greinke, it's totally fine.
If Henry's checkbook gets tight, and this trade is the precedent set, getting a cost-controlled starter is going to be hellish.
Hopefully this is the end of major trades.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 13, 2015 21:54:09 GMT -5
Without a doubt the most negative instant reaction I have ever had to a Red Sox trade. Barf. Not to fear. You'll love it when he strikes out Andrew McCutcheon to win the world series next year. Honestly, the team is set up to win next year and this acquistion will help them. Sign Price...let the kids take over...I am stoked!!
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Nov 13, 2015 21:54:41 GMT -5
I should have clarified that they just spend on Miller last offseason, trading him was the right move.
But alas as stated it was a different regime.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 21:54:47 GMT -5
That is my rationalization. I don't like the deal if they go out and trade Moncada, AB, Espinoza, etc. to rebuild the rest of the team. It sucks especially when they could have held Miller last year but different regimes. Hopefully that is the narrative and we just splurge in FA but I guess we shall see. If we woulda kept miller we wouldn't have erod He means trade for ERod, then run right back out in FA and sign Miller to what the yanks gave him.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 13, 2015 21:57:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm late to the party and haven't read the rest of the thread, but I just want to say that this is a truly, truly terrible trade. Same as you man! I was speaking the whole night with my brother who lives in Paris and then I checked Twitter and found this! Can't even sleep now and it's already 4 in the morning here!
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Post by raftsox on Nov 13, 2015 21:59:05 GMT -5
Ugh. I'm not a fan of this trade. It really feels like an overpay. I don't understand why it would cost that much? Can someone reasonably talk me off the ledge?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 13, 2015 21:59:08 GMT -5
Without a doubt the most negative instant reaction I have ever had to a Red Sox trade. Barf. Absolutely brutal. I don't care how much you like the idea of trading prospects as a philosophy, trading these prospects for this player is indefensible. I know some people just root for the laundry no matter what, but my love for the Red Sox has always predicated on them actually being a smart, progressive organization. That's not what they are anymore. I feel numb.
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2015 22:02:42 GMT -5
I can't even work up the energy to argue. It is just so overwhelmingly self-evident to me that this is a bad trade. [Deleted -- overreaction.]
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 13, 2015 22:05:04 GMT -5
“@sean_McAdam: Dombrowski said he began off-season with idea that bullpen help would be done by trade and starter signed among FA. Playing out that way.”
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 13, 2015 22:06:01 GMT -5
Without a doubt the most negative instant reaction I have ever had to a Red Sox trade. Barf. Absolutely brutal. I don't care how much you like the idea of trading prospects as a philosophy, trading these prospects for this player is indefensible. I know some people just root for the laundry no matter what, but my love for the Red Sox has always predicated on them actually being a smart, progressive organization. That's not what they are anymore. I feel numb. People that are saying that we should have used his package to get an ace, don't you think DD tried to do that and was either told the ace wasn't available or it would cost a crap ton more.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 13, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -5
And didn't we just hear reports like on Tuesday that here were no aces available in a trade?
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2015 22:09:05 GMT -5
I lied, I got my second wind. Remember, the fact that this trade makes the 2016 major league team better (which it undoubtedly does) and the fact that they traded players who were fairly characterized as "surplus" (which is undoubtedly true) is not enough to justify this trade. When you trade a top 30 and a top 75 prospect in all of baseball, you need to get a lot more surplus value than Kimbrel offers. Even if all the prospects in this trade turn out to be busts, it's a bad trade because those guys are highly regarded enough in the industry that they should have been able to return a better, cheaper player.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 13, 2015 22:09:27 GMT -5
Wait til the offseason is over and look at all moves as a whole considering 1- who we gained 2-who we lost 3- payroll implications This is the only way to fully diagnose this trade.
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2015 22:10:25 GMT -5
People that are saying that we should have used his package to get an ace, don't you think DD tried to do that and was either told the ace wasn't available or it would cost a crap ton more. (a) no, I don't (b) even if so, you hold on to the prospects; it's not like they're going to expire like sour milk
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Post by jmei on Nov 13, 2015 22:11:35 GMT -5
Wait til the offseason is over and look at all moves as a whole considering 1- who we gained 2-who we lost 3- payroll implications This is the only way to fully diagnose this trade. Unless they flip Kimbrel for Mike Trout (exaggeration, but only slightly), I think I know enough to judge this trade.
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 13, 2015 22:12:20 GMT -5
If you're one of these people who thinks WAR severely undervalues relievers, you might be able to argue that Kimbrel represents something in the neighborhood of 10-15m in surplus value. Margot alone is probably worth that.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 13, 2015 22:12:43 GMT -5
And didn't we just hear reports like on Tuesday that here were no aces available in a trade? You're far too forgiving. They shouldn't have had to give up this much value to upgrade the bullpen. However else they could have allocated those resources is a separate and unknown question. This is a drastic overpay at a point in the offseason you shouldn't be overpaying... Especially for relievers .
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Post by geostorm on Nov 13, 2015 22:14:07 GMT -5
Absolutely brutal. I don't care how much you like the idea of trading prospects as a philosophy, trading these prospects for this player is indefensible. I know some people just root for the laundry no matter what, but my love for the Red Sox has always predicated on them actually being a smart, progressive organization. That's not what they are anymore. I feel numb. People that are saying that we should have used his package to get an ace, don't you think DD tried to do that and was either told the ace wasn't available or it would cost a crap ton more. Gammons on MLB Network, earlier today, indicated "...DD took 3 runs at Gray, before believing Bean was serious on not trading Gray", fwiw
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 13, 2015 22:14:30 GMT -5
People that are saying that we should have used his package to get an ace, don't you think DD tried to do that and was either told the ace wasn't available or it would cost a crap ton more. (a) no, I don't (b) even if so, you hold on to the prospects; it's not like they're going to expire like sour milk Actually probably most prospect sour like milk.
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