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Nov 12, 2017 14:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Nov 12, 2017 14:04:22 GMT -5
The Red Sox generated $80M in net income last year. Add to that the net incomes of NESN and related Fenway Sports Group operations, and Henry and co. could easily spend in excess of $300M in combined player salary and luxury tax without blinking an eye. So just give JDM $80 million a year? I mean you have to admit that there is a logical team salary limit that they will always reach. They have kept a ton of salary in AAA to keep it off the tax limit so I don't think anyone can call them cheap. Why is everyone arguing to get rid of Castillo then? I'm one of the only people who want to keep him for depth. Everyone else wants to dump his contract. You must be rooting for the billionaires. Rooting for your team to spending its payroll efficiently does not necessitate rooting against Boras and casting him as morally suspect.
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Nov 12, 2017 17:18:58 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Nov 12, 2017 17:18:58 GMT -5
So just give JDM $80 million a year? I mean you have to admit that there is a logical team salary limit that they will always reach. They have kept a ton of salary in AAA to keep it off the tax limit so I don't think anyone can call them cheap. Why is everyone arguing to get rid of Castillo then? I'm one of the only people who want to keep him for depth. Everyone else wants to dump his contract. You must be rooting for the billionaires. Rooting for your team to spending its payroll efficiently does not necessitate rooting against Boras and casting him as morally suspect. Right, which is why I root for JDM to be signed for $100 million instead of $200 million, because that's what I think is fair for him. We're on the same page now. I've never said Boras or the players he represents are morally suspect so we can stop with that strawman argument. I've always wanted the Red Sox to spend as much money as possible, but realize that eventually it runs out and hurts the team. Like 2 years from now.
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Nov 12, 2017 18:29:54 GMT -5
Post by jerrygarciaparra on Nov 12, 2017 18:29:54 GMT -5
The Red Sox generated $80M in net income last year. Add to that the net incomes of NESN and related Fenway Sports Group operations, and Henry and co. could easily spend in excess of $300M in combined player salary and luxury tax without blinking an eye. jmei...excellent to see you post this!!! Forget valuations, let's open the vault!!
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Boras
Jan 5, 2018 23:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 5, 2018 23:55:33 GMT -5
We are in January and I don't think we've seen one client of Boras sign a deal. The list includes-
J.D. Martinez Eric Hosmer Carlos Gomez Carlos Gonzalez Mike Moustakas Greg Holland Jake Arrieta
Am I missing any players?
Boras' new moto should be "if you don't want a job until the season starts, sign with me."
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Post by gerry on Jan 6, 2018 3:08:18 GMT -5
We are in January and I don't think we've seen one client of Boras sign a deal. The list includes- J.D. Martinez Eric Hosmer Carlos Gomez Carlos Gonzalez Mike Moustakas Greg Holland Jake Arrieta Am I missing any players? Boras' new Moro should be "if you don't want a job until the season starts, sign with me." Love it. How about "if you don't care about teams, teammates, franchises or fans, and don't want a job until the season starts, sign with me, play my game, because I am magic and all-powerful, and have dirt on every owner and GM and Heyman."
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 5:09:15 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 5:09:15 GMT -5
I really hope players start avoiding Boras. He is doing his clients no favors by overvaluing them so much to the point that they are having a hard time signing contracts by the time spring training starts.
There isn't any hidden value in baseball anymore. Boras' 40 ring binder book reports has no meaning to how teams value players. He needs to realize that and actually play ball.
He has already devalued players and got less money for players by turning down the QO (like Stephen Drew), and now he is going to kill his current coup of players because he is looking for Jason Heyward contracts.
I really don't know what he is expecting. I hope he loses a lot more players with this free agency period and showing everyone why he is possibly the worst agent to go to for a comfortable contract for both players and the teams in the league.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 5:12:21 GMT -5
This just comes across as whining because you want things to happen now instead of a month from now. Have patience. No harm has been done yet.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 5:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 5:14:29 GMT -5
It's not whining. Players across the league are finding deals, especially relievers.
Go figure, the one reliever that hasn't landed a job yet is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland.
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Jan 6, 2018 5:18:26 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 5:18:26 GMT -5
It's not whining. Players across the league are finding deals, especially relievers. Go figure, the one reliever that hasn't landed a job yet is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland. What difference does it make when players sign as long as it's before spring training?
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Jan 6, 2018 5:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 5:26:21 GMT -5
It's not whining. Players across the league are finding deals, especially relievers. Go figure, the one reliever that hasn't landed a job yet is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland. What difference does it make when players sign as long as it's before spring training? We will see if or when they sign before spring training. The way this is headed, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these players don't sign under Scott's advice before spring training. Teams aren't going to value these players like superstars that Boras is perceiving them to be. They're really good players in some cases, but he shouldn't be looking for record type deals unless the situation calls for it with a real superstar. People may disagree with it, but it's not good for business in baseball. Players will be looking for jobs, and teams will be less talented because of a gross over-evaluation that they don't want to fall for. That is all I'm going to say about Boras. It's insane that nothing is happening because of one agent.
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Jan 6, 2018 5:34:55 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 5:34:55 GMT -5
These are the first free agents signed under the new CBA so it's not surprising at all, especially with all the teams that want to reset their luxury tax penalty.
You could have said "the way this is headed" on the first day of the offseason also and it would have been just as meaningful.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 5:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 5:38:07 GMT -5
Well who is going to tell Boras this so we can actually see progress in free agency with his clients?
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Jan 6, 2018 5:54:04 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 5:54:04 GMT -5
Well who is going to tell Boras this so we can actually see progress in free agency with his clients? The calendar
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Jan 6, 2018 9:39:28 GMT -5
Post by ryan24 on Jan 6, 2018 9:39:28 GMT -5
These are the first free agents signed under the new CBA so it's not surprising at all, especially with all the teams that want to reset their luxury tax penalty. You could have said "the way this is headed" on the first day of the offseason also and it would have been just as meaningful. It is really sad that we sit here with nothing to discuss but Boras. No Dave discussions of over paying for a player acquisition. Sale... I guess the new CBA has a lot to do with what is going on. The salary train is slowing down significantly. It seems like the teams have worked their way thru the metrics crunch and decided on what metrics they think are important to value a player. They are Not as impressed with Scott's binder. It looks like the length and size of contracts now has to come back into line with the salary cap numbers. The cap numbers appear to be increasing at rate of 5% per year while the number of guys trying to get 20 mil plus for 7 yrs or more has increased. Players do not age as well as they did under the drug use era. Paying a guy like ellsbury 7 yrs at age 30 seems like a thing of the past. You can not have guys sitting on your roster as dead money. I know I am not saying as well as it should be, but I hope you are getting the idea. With the guys out there this year not getting signed, how will it be next year with Manny and Bryce? Scott is a smart guy. He will adjust to the market. Guys will probably still sign with him, because he stills seems to be able to con the teams out of extra money.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 6, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -5
Scott Boras is not half as interesting as you people want him to be.
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Jan 6, 2018 11:29:14 GMT -5
Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 11:29:14 GMT -5
Scott Boras is not half as interesting as you people want him to be. This a million times. The reason Boras' clients haven't signed this off-season is because NO ONE has signed this off-season.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 12:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 12:56:51 GMT -5
Scott Boras is not half as interesting as you people want him to be. This a million times. The reason Boras' clients haven't signed this off-season is because NO ONE has signed this off-season. Relievers have signed.
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Jan 6, 2018 12:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 12:57:52 GMT -5
Well who is going to tell Boras this so we can actually see progress in free agency with his clients? The calendar Morales and Drew were two players that didn't get the memo and didn't play when the calender told them to.
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Jan 6, 2018 13:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 13:08:39 GMT -5
This a million times. The reason Boras' clients haven't signed this off-season is because NO ONE has signed this off-season. Relievers have signed. And? That's like someone saying "The housing market is bad" and coming back with, "That can't be right. I just got a great deal on a TV."
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Jan 6, 2018 13:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 13:10:27 GMT -5
And? That's like someone saying "The housing market is bad" and coming back with, "That can't be right. I just got a great deal on a TV." The one reliever that hasn't signed is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 13:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 13:14:54 GMT -5
And? That's like someone saying "The housing market is bad" and coming back with, "That can't be right. I just got a great deal on a TV." The one reliever that hasn't signed is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland. Again, what does this have to do with anything? Do you think Holland will stay unsigned through Spring Training? If the answer is no, then what does it matter? Edit: And for the record, the only other true closer on the market still hasn't officially signed his contract, and only agreed to terms last week. The market is slow. Get used to it. Edit2: And Reed, who last I checked is another top tier reliever, also hasn't signed.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 13:47:04 GMT -5
Morales and Drew were two players that didn't get the memo and didn't play when the calender told them to. Boras' UFAs for this year haven't missed any time yet. I feel like we've been over this a few times, so I'm done.
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Post by jmei on Jan 6, 2018 13:49:58 GMT -5
Scott Boras does not tell his clients what to do. He advises them on what he would recommend they do, but his clients always have the final say. As a matter of professional ethics, you can bet that every firm offer a team has made to one of his clients have been passed along to those clients and that those clients (not Boras) are the ones who have made the decision to wait and see if they can get a better offer.
One of the under-the-radar things that Boras does is take the heat off his clients for wanting to maximize their pay. He takes all the heat so they don’t have to. If J.D. Martinez wanted to sign in Boston for what they’ve offered, he would have done so already.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 14:20:59 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 14:20:59 GMT -5
It's not whining. Players across the league are finding deals, especially relievers. Go figure, the one reliever that hasn't landed a job yet is a Scott Boras client in Greg Holland. What difference does it make when players sign as long as it's before spring training? Get housing, move his family, plan for the next how many years. Baseball is crazy long with very few off days. It's why typically most free agents are signed by now. Enjoy the rest of the offseadon and get ready for 2018.
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Jan 6, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -5
What difference does it make when players sign as long as it's before spring training? Get housing, move his family, plan for the next how many years. Baseball is crazy long with very few off days. It's why typically most free agents are signed by now. Enjoy the rest of the offseadon and get ready for 2018. I thought it was obvious when I said it, but "What difference does it make to the Red Sox and their fans when players sign as long as it's before spring training?" When someone is about to sign for 9 figures, I doubt he has to lift a finger to move.
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