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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 14:35:38 GMT -5
Scott Boras does not tell his clients what to do. He advises them on what he would recommend they do, but his clients always have the final say. As a matter of professional ethics, you can bet that every firm offer a team has made to one of his clients have been passed along to those clients and that those clients (not Boras) are the ones who have made the decision to wait and see if they can get a better offer. One of the under-the-radar things that Boras does is take the heat off his clients for wanting to maximize their pay. He takes all the heat so they don’t have to. If J.D. Martinez wanted to sign in Boston for what they’ve offered, he would have done so already. You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market.
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Jan 6, 2018 14:49:34 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 14:49:34 GMT -5
Get housing, move his family, plan for the next how many years. Baseball is crazy long with very few off days. It's why typically most free agents are signed by now. Enjoy the rest of the offseadon and get ready for 2018. I thought it was obvious when I said it, but "What difference does it make to the Red Sox and their fans when players sign as long as it's before spring training?" When someone is about to sign for 9 figures, I doubt he has to lift a finger to move. You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason.
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Jan 6, 2018 14:56:08 GMT -5
Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 14:56:08 GMT -5
Scott Boras does not tell his clients what to do. He advises them on what he would recommend they do, but his clients always have the final say. As a matter of professional ethics, you can bet that every firm offer a team has made to one of his clients have been passed along to those clients and that those clients (not Boras) are the ones who have made the decision to wait and see if they can get a better offer. One of the under-the-radar things that Boras does is take the heat off his clients for wanting to maximize their pay. He takes all the heat so they don’t have to. If J.D. Martinez wanted to sign in Boston for what they’ve offered, he would have done so already. You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market. The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract?
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Jan 6, 2018 15:08:44 GMT -5
Post by jimed14 on Jan 6, 2018 15:08:44 GMT -5
I thought it was obvious when I said it, but "What difference does it make to the Red Sox and their fans when players sign as long as it's before spring training?" When someone is about to sign for 9 figures, I doubt he has to lift a finger to move. You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason. Baseball players are probably pretty used to moving, being away from home, finding new schools and houses. It's pretty damn easy for them when they have hundreds of millions of dollars, assistants, teammates and teammates' wives to give advice on neighborhoods and schools and people on the team assigned to taking care of absolutely everything for them. Hell, they probably get all of the research about where people worth hundreds of millions of dollars should live in Boston handed to them with a contract offer. I don't know how you can begin to compare this to what normal people go through. You think 2018 is a lost season for JDM already? How do you explain how great he did in Arizona when he was traded in the middle of the season? I'm sure he's just at home working out hard like everyone else in baseball this time of year. I'm not going to guess about players' mental states and how much they need relaxation and the calm of being settled in a new home and in what time frame of the offseason to optimize their season performance so if you want to start telling me just how wrong I am because you're the expert on everything as usual, I won't be reading it.
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Jan 6, 2018 15:12:06 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 15:12:06 GMT -5
You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market. The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. I never said Boras contacted him, just what Boras said when they did talk. He didn't switch because Boras was saying the same thing as his current agent. Boras was telling him what he wanted to hear. Mega offer, what was the phrase, the king of slug or something like that.
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Jan 6, 2018 15:15:23 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 15:15:23 GMT -5
You're down playing Boras and the role he plays. He certainly does tell them what they should do and shouldn't do. They don't have to listen, but he's not just some realtor giving you an offer on your house. You really think if early in free agency if Martinez was like I want to take Bostons 5 year 125 million deal Boras would be like OK? He would talk him out of it or at least try too. Boras is too blame. Martinez signed with Boras because he was telling him how much money he could get him. Sit back let me do my thing, I'll get you an extra year or two and 25-50 million extra. Now Martinez wants that because Boras put it into his head. Big difference when your agent brings an offer and says this is fair or this is junk. I'm going to get you 50 million more, don't take it. Players hire agents to handle the process. That's the thing with Boras compared to other agents. He tries to set up his own market, while other agents get the best deal in a given market. The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract? How do you look if you don't know where you will be playing? Lets look at places in ten cities? Then bam a team like Cleveland comes out of no where and shocks baseball like last year with EE.
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Jan 6, 2018 15:18:52 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 15:18:52 GMT -5
You know its not that simple. Have to find where to live, find a house, look at schools and everything else. Even with movers, moving isn't easy. It takes a lot of time and energy. Have to plan if you uproot the Kids now or wait till schools done. If I was a player missing games is the last thing on my mind when it's getting this late in the offseason. Baseball players are probably pretty used to moving, being away from home, finding new schools and houses. It's pretty damn easy for them when they have hundreds of millions of dollars, assistants, teammates and teammates' wives to give advice on neighborhoods and schools and people on the team assigned to taking care of absolutely everything for them. Hell, they probably get all of the research about where people worth hundreds of millions of dollars should live in Boston handed to them with a contract offer. I don't know how you can begin to compare this to what normal people go through. You think 2018 is a lost season for JDM already? How do you explain how great he did in Arizona when he was traded in the middle of the season? I'm sure he's just at home working out hard like everyone else in baseball this time of year. I'm not going to guess about players' mental states and how much they need relaxation and the calm of being settled in a new home and in what time frame of the offseason to optimize their season performance so if you want to start telling me just how wrong I am because you're the expert on everything as usual, I won't be reading it. It's common sense. Uprooting your family and life is never easy. Your comments about me being always right are getting old when you are the exact same way!😂🤔😨
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 15:21:01 GMT -5
The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract? How do you look if you don't know where you will be playing? Lets look at places in ten cities? Then bam a team like Cleveland comes out of no where and shocks baseball like last year with EE. The horror of trying to find a place to live with an almost unlimited budget.
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Jan 6, 2018 15:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jan 6, 2018 15:29:58 GMT -5
The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract? How do you look if you don't know where you will be playing? Lets look at places in ten cities? Then bam a team like Cleveland comes out of no where and shocks baseball like last year with EE. That's exactly how my wife and I approached life after we got married. We picked 10 places we wanted to live, looked at the costs and the opportunities. It took us about 3 months before we made a decision. That was six years ago, and we're not even multi-millionaires Pro Tip: If Maui is your #1 destination you either have to be a multi-millionaire or you have to work four jobs between the two of you to just to get by. We went for #3 and love our choice. And hey, we can afford to visit Maui every two or three years for ten or so days.
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Jan 6, 2018 16:16:31 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 6, 2018 16:16:31 GMT -5
The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. I never said Boras contacted him, just what Boras said when they did talk. He didn't switch because Boras was saying the same thing as his current agent. Boras was telling him what he wanted to hear. Mega offer, what was the phrase, the king of slug or something like that. Dude unless you and JD Martinez are besties, you’re just making stuff up at this point.
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Jan 6, 2018 16:19:29 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 6, 2018 16:19:29 GMT -5
The bolded is absolutely not true. Martinez already had an agent last year. It would be completely unethical for Boras to directly contact Martinez and tell him how much money he could get him if he decided to switch agents. Martinez hired Boras because he wanted the most money. Plain and simple. Do you really think players don't look into housing and schools until after the contract is finalized? What do you think they've been doing for the last couple months while they're waiting on a contract? How do you look if you don't know where you will be playing? Lets look at places in ten cities? Then bam a team like Cleveland comes out of no where and shocks baseball like last year with EE. You may be shocked to learn that there is an entire class of professional men and women dedicated to solving these kinds of problems for rich people.
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Jan 6, 2018 16:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2018 16:29:28 GMT -5
I wasn't just talking about J.D. Martinez either.
Take Eric Hosmer's market for example. The freaking Royals and Padres are bidding for his services. What is Scott Boras supposed to expect to come out of this?
Some 160+ million 8 year offer?
You really think that the small market teams are going to hamstring themselves in today's market?
If one, just one Scott Boras client has signed, I'd probably be agreeing with some of you, but I can't do it. He is definitely to blame with the strong advice he's giving his clients.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 6, 2018 16:47:32 GMT -5
Your point only works if everyone BUT the Boras clients hadn't signed yet. Yu Darvish, Lorenzo Cain, Alex Cobb, Neil Walker, CC Sabathia, Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, Lance Lynn, Addison Reed (oh yeah, there's more than one reliever left), and Jarrod Dyson - in other words, half of Fangraphs' top 20 free agents - are all represented by agents other than Boras and haven't signed yet. Boras is NOT the issue. If anything, this is collusion among the owners to drive prices down. If Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakas, and Arrieta were the only guys not signed yet, then yep, Boras would clearly be the problem. But it's not even close. Passan (who might be the best guy on the MLB beat right now, honestly) had a great article earlier this offseason explaining why the offseason has been so slow. I suggest you all read it. sports.yahoo.com/four-reasons-mlbs-hot-stove-lukewarm-022841950.html It gives four reasons why the offseason has been so slow. Boras isn't one of them. Is Jay-Z also part of the problem, given that CC hasn't signed yet? The fact that some of you are furious with Boras is precisely why he's such a great agent, as jmei points out - he gets paid in part to take the heat when a player wants to hold out for the best contract.
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Jan 6, 2018 16:52:54 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 6, 2018 16:52:54 GMT -5
Your point only works if everyone BUT the Boras clients hadn't signed yet. Yu Darvish, Lorenzo Cain, Alex Cobb, Neil Walker, CC Sabathia, Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, Lance Lynn, Addison Reed (oh wait, you mean there's more than one reliever left?), and Jarrod Dyson - in other words, half of Fangraphs' top 20 free agents - are all represented by agents other than Boras and haven't signed yet. Boras is NOT the issue. If anything, this is collusion among the owners to drive prices down.Is Jay-Z also part of the problem, given that CC hasn't signed yet? It doesn’t help that there’s maybe only one competitive division in the game. The CBA and the competitive environment are what’s (not) driving the market right now. Boras is a tertiary factor at best, probably not even that.
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Jan 6, 2018 17:00:01 GMT -5
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 6, 2018 17:00:01 GMT -5
I never said Boras contacted him, just what Boras said when they did talk. He didn't switch because Boras was saying the same thing as his current agent. Boras was telling him what he wanted to hear. Mega offer, what was the phrase, the king of slug or something like that. Dude unless you and JD Martinez are besties, you’re just making stuff up at this point. Drawing the same conclusion 15 different baseball writers and experts did. You don't sign with Boras right before free agency for any other reason than money and a bigger contract. Then right after Boras is calling him the King Kong of Slug and throwing out 7 years 200 million. Do you really think he didn't pitch that to Martinez?
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Post by radiohix on Jan 6, 2018 17:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 6, 2018 17:32:08 GMT -5
Dude unless you and JD Martinez are besties, you’re just making stuff up at this point. Drawing the same conclusion 15 different baseball writers and experts did. You don't sign with Boras right before free agency for any other reason than money and a bigger contract. Then right after Boras is calling him the King Kong of Slug and throwing out 7 years 200 million. Do you really think he didn't pitch that to Martinez? What are you even arguing? Literally no one is disputing that people sign with Boras to make more money. It's what everyone has been telling you. People sign with Boras to make more money. JDM voluntarily went to Boras because he wanted more money. How can you type a sentence that says players sign with Boras to make more money, but then blame Boras for doing exactly what the player asked him to do?
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Jan 6, 2018 17:44:14 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 6, 2018 17:44:14 GMT -5
Your point only works if everyone BUT the Boras clients hadn't signed yet. Yu Darvish, Lorenzo Cain, Alex Cobb, Neil Walker, CC Sabathia, Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, Lance Lynn, Addison Reed (oh yeah, there's more than one reliever left), and Jarrod Dyson - in other words, half of Fangraphs' top 20 free agents - are all represented by agents other than Boras and haven't signed yet. Boras is NOT the issue. If anything, this is collusion among the owners to drive prices down. If Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakas, and Arrieta were the only guys not signed yet, then yep, Boras would clearly be the problem. But it's not even close. Passan (who might be the best guy on the MLB beat right now, honestly) had a great article earlier this offseason explaining why the offseason has been so slow. I suggest you all read it. sports.yahoo.com/four-reasons-mlbs-hot-stove-lukewarm-022841950.html It gives four reasons why the offseason has been so slow. Boras isn't one of them. Is Jay-Z also part of the problem, given that CC hasn't signed yet? The fact that some of you are furious with Boras is precisely why he's such a great agent, as jmei points out - he gets paid in part to take the heat when a player wants to hold out for the best contract. I realize it's not just Boras clients who haven't signed but I think Boras has the overwhelming majority of the top notch free agents. Usually it's a trickle down effect. When the best sign and set the market the next tier usually signs and it trickles down from there. Carlos Santana is an outlier. Davis signed because Boras isn't representing the top relief pitchers. I also don't think what's going on is collusion as much as it's common sense finally winning out. Front offices are a lot smarter and a lot less desperate. And they're also becoming a lot more common minded. A lot of these front offices are being run by sabermetrically inclined Ivy League minds who realize that free agents contracts are losing propositions and hamstring you at some point down the road killing payroll flexibility as payroll is being allocated to an aging player. If the players really want that changed then they'd find a way to get free agency after 3 or 4 years rather than 6 or just barely less than 7 years of service time. Young free agents on the market equal big bucks. Guys pushing 30 wanting huge contracts like a JD Martinez is usually a huge losing bet. GMs know this and aren't snowed by Boras' razzle dazzle. The players simply want to maximize their earnings so they'll listen to Boras who will then do his carnival barker routine. Boras hasn't and won't adjust to this new reality that GMs are smarter. The only way he gets around it is going to some stupid owner who is not sabermetrically inclined and will overrule his GM. I suppose Boras' style works for his players but if he doesn't get some owners to cave his players won't get what he promised them. I absolutely believe Boras puts stuff in player's heads. The Manny Ramirez of 2008 was a prime example. He went off the rails that year because he had $100 million in his head and was going to do anything he could to shoot his way out of town. I can only speculate but I think Manny was on something that year, willing to cheat to earn his $100 million. Not hard to figure who put that in his head. I personally can't stand Boras and I really hope his players get a lot less than they expected. And for the record I don't root for owners versus the players, but I find Boras' style quite grating on the nerves, and I don't think it's really good for the game's interest for the offseason to drag on this long with very little to look forward to from a fanbase perspective because nothing happened. For most sportsfans they are heavy into football and are getting into the basketball and hockey seasons. Baseball is lagging well behind. Why wouldn't it? Absolutely NOTHING is happening. At least when baseball had its transactions mainly in December you knew what your team looked like and was excited for the season. This year, absolutely nothing other than the Marlins firesale has happened, and it's hard to be excited about the upcoming season when nothing has changed from last season. That excitement doesn't have much time to build up. Not all of this is attributed to Boras but he plays his part, but he doesn't care about the game of baseball, only about making his clients an obscene amount of money and making sure he gets his cut.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 6, 2018 18:21:29 GMT -5
Your point only works if everyone BUT the Boras clients hadn't signed yet. Yu Darvish, Lorenzo Cain, Alex Cobb, Neil Walker, CC Sabathia, Todd Frazier, Jay Bruce, Lance Lynn, Addison Reed (oh yeah, there's more than one reliever left), and Jarrod Dyson - in other words, half of Fangraphs' top 20 free agents - are all represented by agents other than Boras and haven't signed yet. Boras is NOT the issue. If anything, this is collusion among the owners to drive prices down. If Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakas, and Arrieta were the only guys not signed yet, then yep, Boras would clearly be the problem. But it's not even close. Passan (who might be the best guy on the MLB beat right now, honestly) had a great article earlier this offseason explaining why the offseason has been so slow. I suggest you all read it. sports.yahoo.com/four-reasons-mlbs-hot-stove-lukewarm-022841950.html It gives four reasons why the offseason has been so slow. Boras isn't one of them. Is Jay-Z also part of the problem, given that CC hasn't signed yet? The fact that some of you are furious with Boras is precisely why he's such a great agent, as jmei points out - he gets paid in part to take the heat when a player wants to hold out for the best contract. I realize it's not just Boras clients who haven't signed but I think Boras has the overwhelming majority of the top notch free agents. Usually it's a trickle down effect. When the best sign and set the market the next tier usually signs and it trickles down from there. Carlos Santana is an outlier. Davis signed because Boras isn't representing the top relief pitchers. I also don't think what's going on is collusion as much as it's common sense finally winning out. Front offices are a lot smarter and a lot less desperate. And they're also becoming a lot more common minded. A lot of these front offices are being run by sabermetrically inclined Ivy League minds who realize that free agents contracts are losing propositions and hamstring you at some point down the road killing payroll flexibility as payroll is being allocated to an aging player. If the players really want that changed then they'd find a way to get free agency after 3 or 4 years rather than 6 or just barely less than 7 years of service time. Young free agents on the market equal big bucks. Guys pushing 30 wanting huge contracts like a JD Martinez is usually a huge losing bet. GMs know this and aren't snowed by Boras' razzle dazzle. The players simply want to maximize their earnings so they'll listen to Boras who will then do his carnival barker routine. Boras hasn't and won't adjust to this new reality that GMs are smarter. The only way he gets around it is going to some stupid owner who is not sabermetrically inclined and will overrule his GM. I suppose Boras' style works for his players but if he doesn't get some owners to cave his players won't get what he promised them. I absolutely believe Boras puts stuff in player's heads. The Manny Ramirez of 2008 was a prime example. He went off the rails that year because he had $100 million in his head and was going to do anything he could to shoot his way out of town. I can only speculate but I think Manny was on something that year, willing to cheat to earn his $100 million. Not hard to figure who put that in his head. I personally can't stand Boras and I really hope his players get a lot less than they expected. And for the record I don't root for owners versus the players, but I find Boras' style quite grating on the nerves, and I don't think it's really good for the game's interest for the offseason to drag on this long with very little to look forward to from a fanbase perspective because nothing happened. For most sportsfans they are heavy into football and are getting into the basketball and hockey seasons. Baseball is lagging well behind. Why wouldn't it? Absolutely NOTHING is happening. At least when baseball had its transactions mainly in December you knew what your team looked like and was excited for the season. This year, absolutely nothing other than the Marlins firesale has happened, and it's hard to be excited about the upcoming season when nothing has changed from last season. That excitement doesn't have much time to build up. Not all of this is attributed to Boras but he plays his part, but he doesn't care about the game of baseball, only about making his clients an obscene amount of money and making sure he gets his cut. It seems that way because Boras represents Martinez, Hosmer, Arrieta, and Moustakas. Again using Fangraphs just as a reference point, that's 3 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 10. But again, TONS of free agents haven't signed. Even if someone wanted to say that Boras has the top clients and they're setting the market, I ask why Darvish hasn't signed - he's certainly not waiting on Arrieta. I agree that teams smartening up has something to do with it - or, at the very least, more groupthink as far as what free agents are worth. But I don't think that explains all of it. I really don't. Maybe it's not true collusion, but I think that's more likely than "IT'S BORAS'S FAULT!". As for the relievers, I note that: 1) Of the 13 who signed for $10M total or more, the Rockies, Cubs, and Phillies (oh hey, the team that signed Santana) signed 7 of them. And those teams account for 6 of the top 7 deals. That shows me that those three teams got the market going by not caring about the standoff, at least as it pertains to relievers. (The 13 doesn't include Mike Minor, who jumped at the chance to start for Texas.) 2) There's less of a need to wait out a player when the difference is a couple million. Davis is the lone reliever who signed for really big money. The next-largest deal was Morrow at 2/21. What's the point of waiting two months for Morrow if the difference is you get him for 2/19 or something? There have been 7 deals signed for 10M AAV or higher this offseason. The Angels (Upton, Cozart) and Cubs (Chatwood, Morrow) each signed two. The Rockies (Davis), Phillies (Santana), and Yankees (Sabathia) are the others. I think what you're seeing, the more I look at it, is that there are a handful of teams willing to make quick strikes for bigger free agents right now in the Cubs (who have money and don't need much), Rockies (who aggressively sought bullpen arms), and Phillies (who have a CRAPTON of money to spend), the Angels had already re-signed Upton to prevent him from hitting free agency and then struck once they hit the jackpot on Ohtani (arguably a one-year-delay big money free agent), and the Yankees and Sabathia are a one-year deal that's a bit of an outlier (and consider they got their big money fish via trade in Stanton). So again, I posit that what we have here is a situation in which 25 teams are waiting out the free agents en masse - regardless of their agent - rather than Boras spoiling the hot stove league. Add the complication of the unique Ohtani and Marlins sell-off situations to complete the picture. And apologies to S.Carter. Good call on that one radiohix. I'll go put on Reasonable Doubt this evening.
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Jan 6, 2018 19:10:04 GMT -5
Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 6, 2018 19:10:04 GMT -5
Dude unless you and JD Martinez are besties, you’re just making stuff up at this point. Drawing the same conclusion 15 different baseball writers and experts did. You don't sign with Boras right before free agency for any other reason than money and a bigger contract. Then right after Boras is calling him the King Kong of Slug and throwing out 7 years 200 million. Do you really think he didn't pitch that to Martinez? What are you even trying to prove at this point? Serious question.
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 19:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 19:18:39 GMT -5
Drawing the same conclusion 15 different baseball writers and experts did. You don't sign with Boras right before free agency for any other reason than money and a bigger contract. Then right after Boras is calling him the King Kong of Slug and throwing out 7 years 200 million. Do you really think he didn't pitch that to Martinez? What are you even trying to prove at this point? Serious question. [br Bottom line Agents and owners are ruining this off-season.
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Jan 6, 2018 19:27:43 GMT -5
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 6, 2018 19:27:43 GMT -5
I seriously cannot remember what this thread was for....
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Boras
Jan 6, 2018 19:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 6, 2018 19:28:32 GMT -5
Oh... yes, I remember now...
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Jan 6, 2018 19:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 19:33:05 GMT -5
Oh... yes, I remember now... I caught that
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Jan 6, 2018 19:45:55 GMT -5
Post by Gwell55 on Jan 6, 2018 19:45:55 GMT -5
I seriously cannot remember what this thread was for.... Wasn't it about who to root for ... the millionaires over the billionaires or something along those lines
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