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Post by jimed14 on Sept 3, 2016 16:20:35 GMT -5
Someone needs to be fired over this, I'm not even kidding. Farrell?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 3, 2016 16:51:42 GMT -5
Someone needs to be fired over this, I'm not even kidding. Though we can never presume that the game trajectory would have been the same, the fact is they lost it thanks to that one call. If the Marlins end up a game short of the playoffs, which is a distinct possibility, what does it say about MLB?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 3, 2016 17:00:22 GMT -5
Though we can never presume that the game trajectory would have been the same, the fact is they lost it thanks to that one call. If the Marlins end up a game short of the playoffs, which is a distinct possibility, what does it say about MLB? If they don't do anything and just shrug it off, for me it says quite a lot. That's not a simple mistake, that's at least one umpire being completely unable to do his job.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 3, 2016 17:10:33 GMT -5
Don't know who this "nobody" guy is, nor why he should be singled out for having the same thoughts as everyone else.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 3, 2016 17:25:53 GMT -5
Someone needs to be fired over this, I'm not even kidding. Though we can never presume that the game trajectory would have been the same, the fact is they lost it thanks to that one call. If the Marlins end up a game short of the playoffs, which is a distinct possibility, what does it say about MLB? It says that they have replay completely wrong and should be using it for these obvious blown calls that can't be reviewed like these instead of the calls that are so close that it takes 5 minutes to determine that there was a millimeter of space for a thousandth of a second.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 3, 2016 17:27:16 GMT -5
Don't know who this "nobody" guy is, nor why he should be singled out for having the same thoughts as everyone else. I think his name is actually "anybody" and that the question was whether it was a good move.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 3, 2016 18:09:32 GMT -5
Wow re Cafardo. I've been meaning to write a private letter to the Globe sports editor about him. This is a good time. I may go back and cite all the other plainly wrong things he's reported recently. It's very clear that he reads nothing about baseball anywhere. Given that work ethic, I strongly suspect that his sources (scouts and GMs, etc.) are more often than not imaginary. I'm trying to think of a good analogy to his holding the chair that Peter Gammons once occupied. But it's tough to come up with examples of people doing highly public jobs who are universally regarded as laughingstocks by the knowledgeable, and who are not merely incompetent in terms of results, but have a contemptible work ethic.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 3, 2016 18:12:42 GMT -5
Someone needs to be fired over this, I'm not even kidding. Check swings on strike threes need to be reviewable. It's as simple as that. It's an incredibly quick call. A home plate ump with a headset connection to NY could literally make a correct call within five seconds max.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 4, 2016 1:20:31 GMT -5
Not sure where to post it, but I saw it on the thing here on the left Hatfield posting in his twitter this fantastic article about the life of a minor leaguer. Tremendous reading all around and it's an awesome piece of sports journalism, makes me appreciate long tenured MiLB players like my boy Keith Couch even more.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 4, 2016 10:43:36 GMT -5
Really interesting piece, and a harbinger of change no doubt. I can understand Hatfield posting the link since he's a lawyer, and this is a story about seeking legal remedy. That will happen I believe, the system is so skewed.
I'm waiting for some of the MLBPA members to step forward and take a stand. Let's see if anyone has the nuts for that. It will likely pit them against the union since this would reduce the amount available for their members' contracts.
As for the owners, they'll probably fight this till the handwriting is on the wall, then negotiate and roll out the PR machine to take credit for the changes. That's usually the way these things go down.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2016 12:12:44 GMT -5
I really have to imagine that providing young players with good diets and lower stress environments would be beneficial for everyone.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 4, 2016 14:36:27 GMT -5
I'm trying to think of a good analogy to his holding the chair that Peter Gammons once occupied. But it's tough to come up with examples of people doing highly public jobs who are universally regarded as laughingstocks by the knowledgeable, and who are not merely incompetent in terms of results, but have a contemptible work ethic. There's actually a perfect relatively recent example from the world of politics, and it's even MA-related ... although outcomes in politics are obviously more debatable. Meanwhile, that article about life in the minor leagues really is worth everyone's time. I'm not lawyer, but I know a little bit about labor/corporate relations, and I think there's a strong case against MLB. This line from them is a classic: That's literally what every corporate entity (corporation or trade association) says to explain/justify exploitative working conditions. It's not actually a defense for any particular unlawful practices, though. And, as jimed said, I think in this case it's actually harmful to baseball. Everyone would be so much better off with good nutrition and living conditions for their players. The players aren't just workers; they are also the product. A farmer doesn't hold back water just because they have to pay for it.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 4, 2016 15:57:46 GMT -5
If I had it my way and owned an MLB team, I'd want to build nice dormitories for every level with an organic cafeteria continually providing healthy meals for every meal for the entire season.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 4, 2016 20:04:55 GMT -5
In absolute fairness, everyone thought the trade was terrible, but everyone also thought Shelby Miller would make the Diamondbacks a better team. I suspect/hope that's what he's getting at.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 4, 2016 23:41:05 GMT -5
In absolute fairness, everyone thought the trade was terrible, but everyone also thought Shelby Miller would make the Diamondbacks a better team. I suspect/hope that's what he's getting at. The only remotely true sentence in that story was that Miller stinking (as opposed to merely being nowhere as good) was a surprise. Virtually every move by the D'backs that winter was slammed by analysts, the Miller trade most of all. No one thought that Miller would make the team better in the long run than the players they gave up, and there was skepticism that it would even make them better this year. Last year, Enciarte had 3.3 fWAR and Miller had 3.4. PECOTA projected Miller for 3.0.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 5, 2016 12:57:28 GMT -5
Ron Kulpa is up to his old tricks in the Cubs-Brewers game. Just made two straight horrendous calls to stroke his ego.
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Post by bigpupp on Sept 5, 2016 16:15:53 GMT -5
Old friend Raul Alcantara making his debut today against the Angels. Not looking so hot.
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 10, 2016 20:17:28 GMT -5
Rich Hill six outs away from a perfecto at 89 pitches.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 10, 2016 20:34:39 GMT -5
Rich Hill six outs away from a perfecto at 89 pitches. and old friend Dave Roberts just pulled him. I....... I don't know what to say
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 10, 2016 21:15:57 GMT -5
Rich Hill six outs away from a perfecto at 89 pitches. and old friend Dave Roberts just pulled him. I....... I don't know what to say Exactly how I feel. I don't know if I should applaud the move for preserving his pitcher's health for the stretch run and playoffs or shake my head for taking away a chance at a great individual accolade. Certainly a great debate.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 10, 2016 21:21:03 GMT -5
and old friend Dave Roberts just pulled him. I....... I don't know what to say Exactly how I feel. I don't know if I should applaud the move for preserving his pitcher's health for the stretch run and playoffs or shake my head for taking away a chance at a great individual accolade. Certainly a great debate. I mean, I understand the move from Roberts' perspective and definitely respect the cojones it took to do that, but I really feel for Hill (look at his dugout reaction, sheesh). And if they were so worried about the blisters, why not take him out earlier?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2016 21:24:41 GMT -5
Exactly how I feel. I don't know if I should applaud the move for preserving his pitcher's health for the stretch run and playoffs or shake my head for taking away a chance at a great individual accolade. Certainly a great debate. I mean, I understand the move from Roberts' perspective and definitely respect the cojones it took to do that, but I really feel for Hill (look at his dugout reaction, sheesh). And if they were so worried about the blisters, why not take him out earlier? This is where I hate pitch counts. The guy is obviously cruising and is NOT laboring. His 89 pitches are coming with less pressure. It's the pitches made under duress that wear out a pitcher. Roberts should have left him in. He was hardly breaking a sweat and he was obviously very on.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 11, 2016 8:15:21 GMT -5
Hill has said the right things post-game, but Roberts should have left him in the game. I get it from Roberts' prospective, every pitch Hill throws carriers with it a risk of injury. So if the game is in hand, you should save those pitches for games that matter.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 12, 2016 10:31:47 GMT -5
I mean, I understand the move from Roberts' perspective and definitely respect the cojones it took to do that, but I really feel for Hill (look at his dugout reaction, sheesh). And if they were so worried about the blisters, why not take him out earlier? This is where I hate pitch counts. The guy is obviously cruising and is NOT laboring. His 89 pitches are coming with less pressure. It's the pitches made under duress that wear out a pitcher. Roberts should have left him in. He was hardly breaking a sweat and he was obviously very on. As mentioned, the injury is a blister that has been so bad he's only made three starts for LA since the trade. It's not an arm thing. I'd have left him in, but I haven't had time to look up what the pitch count understanding was before the game, etc., or what the situation was on his hand at that time.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2016 10:48:09 GMT -5
The no-hitter and perfect game thing is a pretty old school way of thinking. The team and the playoffs are more important in the big picture.
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