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2016 Non-Sox Thread
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Post by jmei on Sept 12, 2016 12:29:38 GMT -5
No-hitter, sure-- those aren't actually all that rare. But perfect games? I'd bend my rules for those.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 12, 2016 21:23:15 GMT -5
I think it depends on how your guy takes it. If he's cool with it, then I'm cool. If he's not cool, you let him take his shot at history. I absolutely doubt anyone is cool after being pulled from a perfect game.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 13, 2016 13:56:32 GMT -5
No-hitter, sure-- those aren't actually all that rare. But perfect games? I'd bend my rules for those. With walks/errors, a no-hitter will generally have a different pitch count than a perfect game thru the same IP. I don't have the numbers, but I would imagine most perfect games have a PC under 100-110.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 14, 2016 18:04:45 GMT -5
Jon Lester is having the best year of his career, and he may be the third best pitcher on the Cubs.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 16, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -5
This is the second time in three years that Tanner Roark has been outstanding.
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Post by jmei on Sept 16, 2016 12:11:38 GMT -5
Jon Lester is having the best year of his career, and he may be the third best pitcher on the Cubs. Having a historically good defense lifts all boats.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 16, 2016 15:06:18 GMT -5
The glories of interleague imbalance, via a combined wild card race if all teams had the same schedule:
84.5 Bal 83.4 Tor 80.3 NYY 79.1 Det 78.8 Sea 77.0 Hou 76.0 SF 75.5 KC 75.2 NYM 73.3 StL 73.0 CHW
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Post by ramireja on Sept 16, 2016 16:39:15 GMT -5
This is the second time in three years that Tanner Roark has been outstanding. Its also the 2nd time in 3 years that he has been allowed to pitch out of the rotation for the entire year.
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Post by nomar on Sept 16, 2016 20:44:03 GMT -5
This is the second time in three years that Tanner Roark has been outstanding. Its also the 2nd time in 3 years that he has been allowed to pitch out of the rotation for the entire year. He would have around a 4-4.50 ERA in this division. He's a solid innings eater, but even Jordan Zimmermann cant hang nearly as well in the AL, and they both pitch to contact. Striking out 6 people per 9 (which may be 7 in the NL) does not work, especially in the AL East. The NL is weaker hitting than the AL and they obviously don't have a DH. I don't trust a contact-based NL pitcher.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 16, 2016 22:41:21 GMT -5
Its also the 2nd time in 3 years that he has been allowed to pitch out of the rotation for the entire year. He would have around a 4-4.50 ERA in this division. He's a solid innings eater, but even Jordan Zimmermann cant hang nearly as well in the AL, and they both pitch to contact. Striking out 6 people per 9 (which may be 7 in the NL) does not work, especially in the AL East. The NL is weaker hitting than the AL and they obviously don't have a DH. I don't trust a contact-based NL pitcher. That's perhaps an exaggeration, but he is indeed a guy who completely dominates weak hitters (592 career OPS allowed to 7 through 9 hitters, excluding pitchers) while being nothing special against 3 and 4 (career 790). Whether there's a correlation between that split and K rates, as you suggest, is a good question. Unfortunately, no on has those splits esaily downloadable in a table form, so I don't know when I'll get around to looking into them in more detail.
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Post by nomar on Sept 16, 2016 23:17:45 GMT -5
He would have around a 4-4.50 ERA in this division. He's a solid innings eater, but even Jordan Zimmermann cant hang nearly as well in the AL, and they both pitch to contact. Striking out 6 people per 9 (which may be 7 in the NL) does not work, especially in the AL East. The NL is weaker hitting than the AL and they obviously don't have a DH. I don't trust a contact-based NL pitcher. That's perhaps an exaggeration, but he is indeed a guy who completely dominates weak hitters (592 career OPS allowed to 7 through 9 hitters, excluding pitchers) while being nothing special against 3 and 4 (career 790). Whether there's a correlation between that split and K rates, as you suggest, is a good question. Unfortunately, no on has those splits esaily downloadable in a table form, so I don't know when I'll get around to looking into them in more detail. Maybe it is an exaggeration, but no matter what, he's not the guy I invest in considering our division. If Michael Pineda suffers in NY, Roark definitely represents a disproportionate risk. Pineda would probably be a top 10 NL pitcher on a squad like Washington, Pitt or NYM, let alone the NL West which has basically become a booster division for pitchers. Cueto signing with SF saved and extended his career. The sad thing is that this isn't as blatantly obvious to casual fans as it should be. I wish there was more balance in a sport that focuses on raw numbers so much.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 17, 2016 9:35:53 GMT -5
Its also the 2nd time in 3 years that he has been allowed to pitch out of the rotation for the entire year. He would have around a 4-4.50 ERA in this division. He's a solid innings eater, but even Jordan Zimmermann cant hang nearly as well in the AL, and they both pitch to contact. Striking out 6 people per 9 (which may be 7 in the NL) does not work, especially in the AL East. The NL is weaker hitting than the AL and they obviously don't have a DH. I don't trust a contact-based NL pitcher. The NL East specifically is a pitcher's haven. The Phillies have scored the fewest runs per game of any team in baseball this year, the Braves have scored the second fewest, and the Mets have the third fewest. The Marlins are a bit of tougher of course, they've only scored the sixth-fewest. If you're on the Nats, you're basically facing a good AAA team half the time.
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Post by nomar on Sept 17, 2016 14:06:56 GMT -5
He would have around a 4-4.50 ERA in this division. He's a solid innings eater, but even Jordan Zimmermann cant hang nearly as well in the AL, and they both pitch to contact. Striking out 6 people per 9 (which may be 7 in the NL) does not work, especially in the AL East. The NL is weaker hitting than the AL and they obviously don't have a DH. I don't trust a contact-based NL pitcher. The NL East specifically is a pitcher's haven. The Phillies have scored the fewest runs per game of any team in baseball this year, the Braves have scored the second fewest, and the Mets have the third fewest. The Marlins are a bit of tougher of course, they've only scored the sixth-fewest. If you're on the Nats, you're basically facing a good AAA team half the time. Yeah, it's a joke. Let someone else bite that bullet. Eric actually proved this point yesterday. League balance is already way off, let alone divisions between those leagues. The NL east is so weak offensively. Do people seriously just chalk it up to a coaching staff "fixing" AJ Burnett, Ivan Nova, or (the flip side) Jordan Zimmermann and RA Dickey? Nope, it's just a divisional discrepancy. The Cubs are legitimately good, but the 2 other best teams in baseball are right in our division playing each orher 18 times this year, with another top 5-7 team another 18 times each. That's baseball, though. It's a crapshoot half of the time.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 17, 2016 15:39:13 GMT -5
DeGrom shut down for season.
Carrasco exits after two pitches, after being struck by a line drive.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 17, 2016 17:05:40 GMT -5
I love Javier Baez so much. Easily my favorite non-Sox.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 17, 2016 17:47:36 GMT -5
DeGrom shut down for season. Carrasco exits after two pitches, after being struck by a line drive.His season is over (fracture). Tough luck for Francona now entering the playoffs without Salazar and CC.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 17, 2016 18:41:23 GMT -5
DeGrom shut down for season. Carrasco exits after two pitches, after being struck by a line drive.His season is over (fracture). Tough luck for Francona now entering the playoffs without Salazar and CC. Range for this injury is 2-8 weeks, with 4-6 being typical. Obviously, with ALDS starting in less than three weeks (Oct 6), he's almost certainly out for the ALDS. After that, it's possible that he could return for the ALCS, depending on the severity of the fracture and its healing rate. BTW, Salazar may be ready for the ALDS, but likely won't be stretched out enough to start.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 17, 2016 20:39:13 GMT -5
His season is over (fracture). Tough luck for Francona now entering the playoffs without Salazar and CC. Range for this injury is 2-8 weeks, with 4-6 being typical. Obviously, with ALDS starting in less than three weeks (Oct 6), he's almost certainly out for the ALDS. After that, it's possible that he could return for the ALCS, depending on the severity of the fracture and its healing rate. BTW, Salazar may be ready for the ALDS, but likely won't be stretched out enough to start. The key thing for the time being will be to overtake them for the home-field advantage that should already be ours because of the schedule difference. It was 2.3 wins tougher for us, coming into today. I like the odds of whoever the WC is knocking off the Rangers, thus giving us home field for the rest of the post-season. Basing team Quality 90% on BaseRuns and 10% on results: .577 Tor .551 Bal .525 Tex
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 18, 2016 19:06:07 GMT -5
DeGrom shut down for season. Carrasco exits after two pitches, after being struck by a line drive.His season is over (fracture). Tough luck for Francona now entering the playoffs without Salazar and CC. Good luck for the Sox. Cleveland is Boston's likely first round opponent.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2016 13:33:30 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 20, 2016 13:46:52 GMT -5
He left for a promotion. What an awful human being.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2016 14:16:02 GMT -5
He left for a promotion. What an awful human being. Did you read the article? It's really not what he says.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 20, 2016 15:13:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the article. For those too lazy to read the whole thing, i posted the Red Sox related parts below. Seems to me like he wasn't happy at his job, so he took another job that made him happier. As fans I think we need to remember that for the GM, players and everyone else - it's a career. Just like with most career jobs, we go where the pay is best and we will be happiest.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 21, 2016 1:37:22 GMT -5
He left for a promotion. What an awful human being. The article says nothing of the sort. According to the article, he left because the combination of the pressure he put on himself and the pressure put on him by the city and its media was making him physically ill, and because he was tired of feeling very strongly that "the business side" (Lucchino) had an agenda unrelated and sometimes inimical to winning. The first half of that is an objective truth. I can vouch for his perception in the second half of that, and unless you believe that my value as a baseball ops consultant was less than .05 runs per year, so should you.
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Post by jmei on Sept 23, 2016 8:26:40 GMT -5
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