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Post by gerry on Mar 4, 2016 3:25:48 GMT -5
Would someone connected please tell NESN program VIP's the following: 1. We are paying NESN for more Sox coverage, not less. First game of Spring, Wednesday, not shown. Second game a NESN+ feed, but why bother as it was also shown on MLB. Nothing at all Tue - Friday? Do they really think we have been waiting all winter for paid advertisements, food and golf shows during ST?  6 NESN Lives in a row? Does NESN really have tin ears? Is Felger really right about something when he bashes NESN programming? 2. Tell Dave O'Brien: a. this is not radio. It is Tele-VISION. He doesn't need a constant, never-ending monalogue describing things we can all see. Relax and enjoy the game with us. I hope it is just nerves. b. this is not The Obie show, it is a baseball game, and Dave is in a partnership with RemDog, so back off and play nice. Let Jerry be Jerry. C. RBI? Really? In all that monologue, what we didn't hear is that Hanigan has a solid OBP; that Boesh is trying to regain the power he had when he came to the Majors, and that he showed in today's two AB's, that Light can hit 100MPH and was converted to the Pen last year in AAA, as was Barnes, that MLB just ranked the Sox farm system #6 despite the promotions and trades. d. we hope Dave does well, but we will continue to miss Orsillo if this keeps up. Any other reactions to 3 games with Jerry and Dave |
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Post by templeusox on Mar 4, 2016 6:27:57 GMT -5
I admire you trying to form a narrative that there's a world where Orsillo is a better broadcaster than O'Brien. It's absurd and untrue, but I give you credit for trying.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 4, 2016 7:56:36 GMT -5
Agree with Temple here (did I just say that?)
Orsillo was fine, but O'Brien is another league as far as pbp goes. He's done tele-VISION before, too. Lots of it. He knows what he's doing. It is unfortunate he's in a partnership with Remy. Remy is awful.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 4, 2016 7:59:38 GMT -5
Agree with Temple here (did I just say that?) Orsillo was fine, but O'Brien is another league as far as pbp goes. He's done tele-VISION before, too. Lots of it. He knows what he's doing. It is unfortunate he's in a partnership with Remy. Remy is awful. Normally I'd agree with you, but it looks to me like Remy is contributing more and may be more motivated. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2016 10:45:33 GMT -5
Any other reactions to 3 games with Jerry and Dave Well, I haven't been able to watch since I'm not in NESN's viewership area, but my first reaction is that these guys have worked together for three games, so maybe you should give them some time to feel each other out first. You wouldn't expect a new double-play tandem to be Whitaker and Trammell on day three, would you? Also, I'm going to guess that if NESN made money on Spring Training games, they'd broadcast them all, but that chances are they probably don't, so they only broadcast a selection of them. I'm guessing a lot of people, in a general sense (as in not just 2016), are going to tune in to Celtics and Bruins games that count rather than watch Cole Sturgeon hit against a Twins Double-A JAG, y'know? |
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Post by gerry on Mar 4, 2016 12:50:23 GMT -5
Any other reactions to 3 games with Jerry and Dave Well, I haven't been able to watch since I'm not in NESN's viewership area, but my first reaction is that these guys have worked together for three games, so maybe you should give them some time to feel each other out first. You wouldn't expect a new double-play tandem to be Whitaker and Trammell on day three, would you? Also, I'm going to guess that if NESN made money on Spring Training games, they'd broadcast them all, but that chances are they probably don't, so they only broadcast a selection of them. I'm guessing a lot of people, in a general sense (as in not just 2016), are going to tune in to Celtics and Bruins games that count rather than watch Cole Sturgeon hit against a Twins Double-A JAG, y'know? I am sure they will establish their own personal and working style over time. But I hope that style allows for quiet time so we can watch what is happening, as opposed to listening to often irrelevant monologue when a pitch is made. I am fully aware of the issues surrounding Don and Jerry, but during most of their time together we had opportunities to watch the action. I finally had to mute yesterday's game so I could follow it, so I can't say with accuracy how many players were described by their RBI's alone. Even I, who see value in RBI's, was concerned. Finally, I am sure NESN is available at soxprospects south, as it was to me when I lived im Florida, and as it is now where I live in soCal. I pay heavily for Direct TV which carries NESN, and then pay heavily, again, to subscribe to NESN, as do thousands of others, so there is a financial base for showing these games. I am quite sure their ad-sales staff could make these games more profitable than an infomercial or obscure golf tournament. It is more than frustration at missing Moncada, Owens, Wright, Hanley, Panda as they get into game shape. This is the Red Sox station, with NESN and NESN + channels, owned by the Red Sox, and it should be showing Red Sox games, all of them. Anything less is silly. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Mar 4, 2016 13:56:38 GMT -5
Any other reactions to 3 games with Jerry and Dave Well, I haven't been able to watch since I'm not in NESN's viewership area, but my first reaction is that these guys have worked together for three games, so maybe you should give them some time to feel each other out first. You wouldn't expect a new double-play tandem to be Whitaker and Trammell on day three, would you? Also, I'm going to guess that if NESN made money on Spring Training games, they'd broadcast them all, but that chances are they probably don't, so they only broadcast a selection of them. I'm guessing a lot of people, in a general sense (as in not just 2016), are going to tune in to Celtics and Bruins games that count rather than watch Cole Sturgeon hit against a Twins Double-A JAG, y'know? Obviously I enjoy watching the starters & see how Han-Pan are coming along, but I also enjoy watching the large numbered players come in after the 5th or 6th inning. Maybe not Cole Sturgeon, but most of 'em. Brentz, Light, Cuevas, Travis, Marco Hernandez, Kyle Martin, ect. I know these are not the cream of the system, still fun to watch. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Mar 4, 2016 14:16:20 GMT -5
It seemed to me somehow, that NESN was apologizing for having to televise the Bruins regular season game where they are in a tight fight for the playoffs, instead of the Sox training game. No doubt Red Sox are the darlings of the network and bring in greater revenue. But the constant streaming during the Bs game that the exhibition game can be found on a list of stations throughout New England was unnecessary.
As for Dave O'Brien, I too, believe he is the consummate professional. Orsillo was good but he got carried away with the entertainment factor with Jerry Remy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Orsillo and the php and humor he brought. In baseball it difficult with so many stops and starts, to keep a dialogue going.
I believe that, with the dismissal of Orsillo, the hiring of Dave O'Brien, and the reduction in the number of games Remy will analyze, the FO wants more substance and less fluff in its telecasts.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2016 20:01:25 GMT -5
Well, I haven't been able to watch since I'm not in NESN's viewership area, but my first reaction is that these guys have worked together for three games, so maybe you should give them some time to feel each other out first. You wouldn't expect a new double-play tandem to be Whitaker and Trammell on day three, would you? Also, I'm going to guess that if NESN made money on Spring Training games, they'd broadcast them all, but that chances are they probably don't, so they only broadcast a selection of them. I'm guessing a lot of people, in a general sense (as in not just 2016), are going to tune in to Celtics and Bruins games that count rather than watch Cole Sturgeon hit against a Twins Double-A JAG, y'know? I am sure they will establish their own personal and working style over time. But I hope that style allows for quiet time so we can watch what is happening, as opposed to listening to often irrelevant monologue when a pitch is made. I am fully aware of the issues surrounding Don and Jerry, but during most of their time together we had opportunities to watch the action. I finally had to mute yesterday's game so I could follow it, so I can't say with accuracy how many players were described by their RBI's alone. Even I, who see value in RBI's, was concerned. Finally, I am sure NESN is available at soxprospects south, as it was to me when I lived im Florida, and as it is now where I live in soCal. I pay heavily for Direct TV which carries NESN, and then pay heavily, again, to subscribe to NESN, as do thousands of others, so there is a financial base for showing these games. I am quite sure their ad-sales staff could make these games more profitable than an infomercial or obscure golf tournament. It is more than frustration at missing Moncada, Owens, Wright, Hanley, Panda as they get into game shape. This is the Red Sox station, with NESN and NESN + channels, owned by the Red Sox, and it should be showing Red Sox games, all of them. Anything less is silly. My wife and I eventually split MLB.tv (meaning some nights she gets to watch the Rays - yes, they have fans. crazy right?). If you want to cover the student loans to which every other paycheck I earn basically go, I'd happily spend money to make sure I can get NESN.  |
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Post by gerry on Mar 5, 2016 3:25:28 GMT -5
Lol. Am trying to help my grandkids with their loans, which will probably outlast me unless these elections prove helpful.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 5, 2016 7:09:24 GMT -5
They won't.
At least you have the option to get NESN. tell me who I have to vote for to get that.
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Post by flyrodc on Mar 5, 2016 7:57:50 GMT -5
Agree with Temple here (did I just say that?) Orsillo was fine, but O'Brien is another league as far as pbp goes. He's done tele-VISION before, too. Lots of it. He knows what he's doing. It is unfortunate he's in a partnership with Remy. Remy is awful. Absolutely true. Orsillo is short season A ball compared to big leaguer OB. I love listening to the games on radio and the more noticeable difference is going to be the absence of OB with Castig. I haven't heard the new guy yet but from what I've read, he's decidedly average. We shall see. As for Remy, like many ex professional athletes, he started out pretty well but after a while, they become the show. I couldn't stand listening to the Jerry Remy show playing in the background of a baseball game. My hope is that OB causes Remy to add a level of professionalism to calling the games that has been sorely lacking in the NESN booth. When will we get OB and Eck? That would be a good team IMHO. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 5, 2016 8:05:47 GMT -5
My understanding is Eck doesn't want to travel that much, so he's unlikely to be the guy for all games.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 5, 2016 13:36:28 GMT -5
Would someone connected please tell NESN program VIP's the following: 1. We are paying NESN for more Sox coverage, not less. First game of Spring, Wednesday, not shown. Second game a NESN+ feed, but why bother as it was also shown on MLB. Nothing at all Tue - Friday? Do they really think we have been waiting all winter for paid advertisements, food and golf shows during ST? 6 NESN Lives in a row? Does NESN really have tin ears? Is Felger really right about something when he bashes NESN programming? 2. Tell Dave O'Brien: a. this is not radio. It is Tele-VISION. He doesn't need a constant, never-ending monalogue describing things we can all see. Relax and enjoy the game with us. I hope it is just nerves. b. this is not The Obie show, it is a baseball game, and Dave is in a partnership with RemDog, so back off and play nice. Let Jerry be Jerry. C. RBI? Really? In all that monologue, what we didn't hear is that Hanigan has a solid OBP; that Boesh is trying to regain the power he had when he came to the Majors, and that he showed in today's two AB's, that Light can hit 100MPH and was converted to the Pen last year in AAA, as was Barnes, that MLB just ranked the Sox farm system #6 despite the promotions and trades. d. we hope Dave does well, but we will continue to miss Orsillo if this keeps up. Any other reactions to 3 games with Jerry and Dave Huh? I certainly won't miss him at all. He was a slightly above average broadcaster but as other posters have said, there was a lot of fluff. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2016 22:43:19 GMT -5
The remarkable thing, so far, is the change in Remy. I watched most of the game and have no idea what color sneakers he was wearing, what his hotel lobby looked like, what he had for breakfast or even how his ride to the park was.
I was actually never tempted to switch to the other team's broadcasters or to the radio broadcast.
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Post by gerry on Mar 7, 2016 2:08:39 GMT -5
The remarkable thing, so far, is the change in Remy. I watched most of the game and have no idea what color sneakers he was wearing, what his hotel lobby looked like, what he had for breakfast or even how his ride to the park was. I was actually never tempted to switch to the other team's broadcasters or to the radio broadcast. B He is more animated, interesting, and still funny. Some good baseball stories. This is both with TC and Dave. iMO there is still too much descriptive monologue from Dave more appopriate to radio, but he did seem to moderate it a bit today. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Mar 7, 2016 5:50:59 GMT -5
The remarkable thing, so far, is the change in Remy. I watched most of the game and have no idea what color sneakers he was wearing, what his hotel lobby looked like, what he had for breakfast or even how his ride to the park was. I was actually never tempted to switch to the other team's broadcasters or to the radio broadcast. The non baseball stuff was really annoying. Anything non baseball related shouldn't be talked about unless it's a total blowout, even then they should talk about old baseball related stories. Seriously the pizza throwing conversations or the "hey let's focus on this fan that's sleeping" conversations needs to go. I could also careless what Jerry Remy is doing everyday, or wearing, or how he got to the ballpark. I'm actually glad about the change honestly. Dave O'brien is a pro at keeping baseball within baseball. Sure there might be times when he gets off base, but he'll quickly jump right back into baseball. The only thing that could make it better is if Jerry Remy retires. I love listening to the guy talk about bunting and talk about stealing bases but the next time I have to hear him say in a hitters count "this hitter is looking for a pitch middle in," yeah no kidding Jerry I have heard you say that the past 15+ years. The art of the skill of bunting has disappeared, so that really doesn't leave Jerry a whole lot to talk about. I don't hate Jerry, he just drives me up a wall sometimes. Hopefully O'Brien will help Jerry stay on topic. |
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Post by dd on Mar 7, 2016 10:40:07 GMT -5
The remarkable thing, so far, is the change in Remy. I watched most of the game and have no idea what color sneakers he was wearing, what his hotel lobby looked like, what he had for breakfast or even how his ride to the park was. I was actually never tempted to switch to the other team's broadcasters or to the radio broadcast. The non baseball stuff was really annoying. Anything non baseball related shouldn't be talked about unless it's a total blowout, even then they should talk about old baseball related stories. Seriously the pizza throwing conversations or the "hey let's focus on this fan that's sleeping" conversations needs to go. I could also careless what Jerry Remy is doing everyday, or wearing, or how he got to the ballpark. I'm actually glad about the change honestly. Dave O'brien is a pro at keeping baseball within baseball. Sure there might be times when he gets off base, but he'll quickly jump right back into baseball. The only thing that could make it better is if Jerry Remy retires. I love listening to the guy talk about bunting and talk about stealing bases but the next time I have to hear him say in a hitters count "this hitter is looking for a pitch middle in," yeah no kidding Jerry I have heard you say that the past 15+ years. The art of the skill of bunting has disappeared, so that really doesn't leave Jerry a whole lot to talk about. I don't hate Jerry, he just drives me up a wall sometimes. Hopefully O'Brien will help Jerry stay on topic. I too find myself yelling at the TV hoping to hear some commentary on the game. OTOH the flying pizza was hysterical IMO, they just talked about it too long. The problem is that the folks here may take baseball a lot more seriously than the average jamoke and therefore may not be representative of the TV audience. I can't prove it but I think Jerry is pretty popular with those viewers (why else would he have kept his job?) who are likely watching in a room (or bar) with friends over a beer or two. He seems like a guy you'd like to have in the room with you. He'll give you some inside baseball stuff (even if it's just reminding you that on a 2-0 count the hitter's going to be picky) but also laugh over airborne pizza. I'm in favor of tipping the balance but I don't think the silliness is going away altogether. BTW, the most exasperating parts of many broadcasts to me are the half inning long interviews with charity representatives. I know they are great causes and I know I'm being a curmudgeon, but I just can't stand it. Might as well turn off the TV and watch GameDay. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 7, 2016 12:58:10 GMT -5
If you listen to Remy carefully, you'll notice that he's the master of the obvious. He just repeats what you just saw. No insight, just telling you saw the same thing he did. Anybody here could easily do that job. I wish they would dump him for someone who would tell me something interesting, something that a casual fan wouldn't know. Eck does that. If you've ever seen a Baltimore broadcast, Jim Palmer does that, too. Really good information that only HOF pitchers know.
As far a OB vs Don goes, I see no difference. About the same. I guess it's a matter of taste.
I miss Ned Martin.
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Post by sibbysisti on Mar 7, 2016 14:33:22 GMT -5
Heard O'Brien's replacement on WEEI yesterday, Tim something. Good voice and a good job. Sounds a little like O'Bie, too.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 7, 2016 14:58:15 GMT -5
Agree. I thought he was good. Tim Neverett - not sure about the spelling
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Post by okin15 on Mar 7, 2016 15:34:52 GMT -5
Sounds a LOT like OB. I was so confused that they'd have OBrian doing ST games on the radio. Thanks for the clarificaiton.
And to add to the OP's other narrative, I agree they should show more games. I understand that this has a cost, but it could easily be just one or two cameras and not a full-fledged broadcast. The goal is to get us excited for the season and to get some good video of the team!! If they don't want to do it on NESN, then why no broadcast this on the web somewhere? Heck, it'd be fun if there were a full-time add-supported camera at JetBlue Park. You could watch the grounds crew, some pitchers' fielding practice, Hanley not stretching, BP, some pidgeons at 4am, and maybe even the actual games.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 7, 2016 15:56:50 GMT -5
We have the same conversation every year about televising more preseason games. The only people who watch preseason games are people who are going to be watching every single regular season game anyway. I don't really get excited about the games and miss most of the ones that are on. There is no context for anything like "Buchholz gave up 4 runs in 1 1/3 innings but was extremely pleased because he located his fastball well for the 40 fastballs out of 44 pitches." And it's hard to get excited about Marco Hernandez hitting .600 because he's facing some local american legion players in the 8th inning.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 7, 2016 17:05:28 GMT -5
Neverett is a Nashua, NH native coming home after a few years doing Pirate's broadcasts BTW
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Mar 7, 2016 17:38:10 GMT -5
O'Brien is a great broadcaster, have listened to him for a long time. Dude has no personality though. I have found myself tuning him and Remy out sadly.
I bought into Remy and Orsillo's relationship, and enjoyed them as entertainers. I can see what's happening myself, so what Don brought was great. Anywho, can't change it, but realizing we'll probably never hear Remy and O'Brien laughing in stitches unable to talk, is a pretty sobering realization.
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6 NESN Lives in a row? Does NESN really have tin ears? Is Felger really right about something when he bashes NESN programming? 
