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Post by Mike Andrews on Apr 30, 2019 16:49:21 GMT -5
The assessment of him improved for all three of us and he got a rating bump. It's just that he didn't jump over anybody this month.
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Post by caseytins on Apr 30, 2019 17:14:13 GMT -5
The assessment of him improved for all three of us and he got a rating bump. It's just that he didn't jump over anybody this month. Mata actually was bumped down one spot (from 10 down to 11). I find that surprising. I would have him no lower than 6, personally. I have him as my #3 prospect.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2019 17:20:32 GMT -5
The assessment of him improved for all three of us and he got a rating bump. It's just that he didn't jump over anybody this month. Mata actually was bumped down one spot. I find that surprising. I would have him no lower than 6, personally. That's because Duran passed him. To repeat what Mike said, he moved up in standing in our eyes, it's just that we elected not to move him ahead of who was in front of him. Feltman only threw 7 innings this month because #portland, and his numbers are worse looking than he's actually been if you look at his game log. Duran jumped ahead of him for reasons that should be obvious. Flores hasn't played, Chatham has also been good (and edged ahead of Flores, actually). There was Mata vs. Feltman discussion, but we left it for now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2019 17:22:57 GMT -5
A little surprised that Mata didn't bump up a couple spots, but at the same time, I get that there needs to be some restraint in moving prospects too drastically based on less than a handful of starts. That said, positive scouting reports from the Spring coupled with early drastic reduction in BBs compared to last year seems worthy of a surefire Top 10 spot. It's basically a matter of preference on Feltman vs. Mata. What's more important, really, is that everyone from 6-13 has the same grades. You could really order those guys however you'd like and I wouldn't argue too much (maybe Groome excepted, but that's a special case).
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Post by caseytins on Apr 30, 2019 17:30:44 GMT -5
A little surprised that Mata didn't bump up a couple spots, but at the same time, I get that there needs to be some restraint in moving prospects too drastically based on less than a handful of starts. That said, positive scouting reports from the Spring coupled with early drastic reduction in BBs compared to last year seems worthy of a surefire Top 10 spot. It's basically a matter of preference on Feltman vs. Mata. What's more important, really, is that everyone from 6-13 has the same grades. You could really order those guys however you'd like and I wouldn't argue too much (maybe Groome excepted, but that's a special case). I wanted to point out that Mata is still 19 (not 20, as listed in the rankings, although he does turn 20 in a few days). I want Groome to prove he can stay healthy for a bit. I like the upside and starter factor for Mata in terms of Feltman.
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Post by dd on Apr 30, 2019 22:06:46 GMT -5
Details
Summary:
- No changes in the top 6.
- The first changes are CJ Chatham and Antoni Flores swapping rankings, they're now 6 & 7.
- Jarren Duran Moved up from 13 to 9. He was 16 two months ago and 38th last July.
- As a result of the above, Durbin Feltman, Bryan Mata, Brandon Howlett, and Nick Decker all dropped one position to 10-13.
- Mike Shawaryn up from 15 to 14.
- Alex Scherf rose 3, up to 15.
- Danny Diaz went from 14 to 16.
- Brayan Bello made the top 20 for the first time, now at 19, up from 21..
- Travis Lakins rose from 23 to 20. He was at 15 two months ago and # 6 2 years ago.
- Marcus Wilson is ranked for the first time at # 21.
- Josh Ockimey rose from 27 to 22.
- Kutter Crowford rose from 29 to 23
- Zach Schellenger dropped from 20 to 28.
- Pedro Castellanos went from 22 to 27.
- Denyi Reyes FELL from 19 to 28.
- Thad Ward up 8 to sneak into the top half of the list.
- Joan Martinez up 4 to # 32.
- Yoan Aybar at 33, down 5.
- Jonathan Diaz from 32 to 35.
- Jake Thompson from 33 to 38.
- The big winner this month is Ryan Fitzgerald at # 37. Last month he was 56th.
- Tyler Dearden fell to 38 from 34.
- Andrew Politi from 48 up to 44.
- Eduard Bazardo down 6 to # 45.
- Marino Campana also down 6, now at 47.
- Andrew Schwaab is ranked for the first time at 54.
- Kyle Hart is ranked for the first time since last June when he was at 57. He's 54 this month.
- Tanner Nishioka is also ranked for the first time at 56
- Yasel Santana plummeted from 44 to 57, the biggest loser for the month.
- Kervin Suarez fell from 52 to the bottom of the top 60. Kervin was # 28 at this time last year.
- Missing from the ranking this week are:
- Bobby Poyner who graduated. He was 38th last month
- Matthew Gorst, 55 last month.
- Roldani Baldwin, 57
- Chad De La Guerra, 58
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 30, 2019 22:09:49 GMT -5
I assume Poyner graduated?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2019 22:38:11 GMT -5
- Alex Scherf Dropped 3, down to 15.
- Josh Ockimey fell from 27 to 22.
- The biggest loser this month is Bobby Poyner. He was in the top half last month at # 28 but is now unranked.
Scherff is UP 3. Same with Ockimey, he's UP to 22. Poyner and Marcus Walden graduated.
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Post by dd on May 1, 2019 0:01:04 GMT -5
- Alex Scherf Dropped 3, down to 15.
- Josh Ockimey fell from 27 to 22.
- The biggest loser this month is Bobby Poyner. He was in the top half last month at # 28 but is now unranked.
Scherff is UP 3. Same with Ockimey, he's UP to 22. Poyner and Marcus Walden graduated. Didn't know about Poyner. Thanks Pluses & minuses. Sheesh. It's why I'm not a mathematician I guess.
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Post by ramireja on May 29, 2019 17:43:04 GMT -5
Let's play along too.
Guesses?
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Post by Addam603 on May 29, 2019 17:49:11 GMT -5
1. Casas 2. Darwinzon 3. Dalbec 4. Duran
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 29, 2019 21:05:20 GMT -5
Won't happen but mine would be:
Duran....I think he's for real. Casas...Bright future but he's a first baseman, otherwise I'd have him ahead of Duran. Dalbec...Much improved peripherals which is exactly what he needed to make the next step. Hernandez...Struggling consistently finding the strike zone. If he did that, he'd be my #1
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Post by radiohix on May 29, 2019 21:20:43 GMT -5
Don't have a ranking but I know that I'll have Ockimey over Chatham for sure.
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Post by James Dunne on May 29, 2019 22:19:24 GMT -5
The drop in Dalbec's LD% this year (and really since his promotion to Portland last year) is concerning to me, and kind of negates the encouragement in the drop in his K rate. Showing he make that more consistent contact is a positive for sure, but he's not keeping that contact quality consistent while doing so. And I'm not saying he can't do it, just that it's enough of a flag that I can't overlook it. I'd have him, Groome, and Houck closer together at 4/5/6 with the other three (Casas, Duran, Hernandez in some order) a clear step ahead of them.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2019 5:34:01 GMT -5
1) Cassas 2) Dalbec 3) Duran 4) Groome
That's what I had in my prospect rankings. Cassas clear highest ceiling, clear number 1 for me. Dalbec and Duran are showing to be everyday players somewhere in a organization sometime soon (one or both could be traded anytime).
Groome is the only starting pitching prospect that could actually stick, outside of a Mata, who is more of a backend type it seems more by the day.
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Post by caseytins on May 30, 2019 9:04:56 GMT -5
1) Casas 2) Hernandez 3) Duran 4) Mata
I have always been a lot higher on Mata than most.
That's my list. I bet you have it the following:
1) Casas 2) Hernandez 3) Duran 4) Dalbec
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Post by libertine on May 30, 2019 9:39:25 GMT -5
1) Casas 2) Duran 3) Hernandez 4) Dalbec
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2019 9:53:28 GMT -5
I'll go with
1) Casas 2) Duran 3) Dalbec 4) Hernandez
5) Feltman
I honestly think Casas will eventually, if healthy, become a legit middle of the order bat. Somebody who can bat 3rd, 4th, or 5th, and will have the hit tool to do so. I don't think the Sox have anybody else in the system you can say that about.
I think Duran has everyday regular/CF/leadoff man in his future. The Ks can be worrisome but I don't have any reason to think that it can't be improved upon. The hit tool sounds really good and his timeline matches up well with JBJ's departure.
After those two, there's a drop-off.
I like Dalbec and his improvements in his second go-around at AA and I do think he will be a major leaguer. If he develops as hoped for he's probably a good #6 hitter batting .225 - .250, but with a good amount of walks and 30 plus HR power.
With him I have a little less certainty because of the strike outs, but my gut tells me that he will probably be that #6 hitter I've described, so I do think he's a highly valuable prospect. I just question if it will be with the Red Sox. I do think if the Sox have a big need, Dalbec is the most likely to be dealt. I think either he (or perhaps Ockimey) could hold the fort at 1b, if Chavis is the future at 2b, until Casas is ready.
Then I see a huge drop-off.
I'm guessing Hernandez is fourth, but I don't trust that the guy will throw enough strikes to even be a reliable late inning reliever. I read that he's a high leverage reliever most likely, but I see a heart attack 8th or 9th inning guy, who'll struggle against good teams with disciplined hitters.
I'll add Feltman as fifth. I was really high on him, and I think he could reach the ceiling of closer as hoped for, but it's obvious this could take longer than anticipated. I still don't trust his control. I hear he's turned a corner, but I'm not so sure yet.
And beyond Feltman, there's a big drop. Maybe Ockimey is boosting his stock in a quiet way, although I wonder if he'll hit enough to make the walks and HRs play up. I know he can hit much better against righties, but he'll still have to at least hang in somewhat against lefties, even in a platoon role. I see a lot of Jon Nunnally in him. I guess with him it depends on his glove.
Beyond that - Chatham probably is a 2nd division starting 2b or utility man.
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Post by soxfan511 on May 30, 2019 9:54:07 GMT -5
Casas number 1. Looks like a monster
Duran definitely number 2. Dude is embarrassing a very competitive high A league.
Dalbec number 3 with his three plus tools.
After that im not sure
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2019 10:02:33 GMT -5
HOW IS NOBODY GETTING THE FOUR IN ORDER???
I had no idea this would be so difficult. Lol.
I do love seeing the opinions though. Keep 'em coming!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2019 10:04:11 GMT -5
1) Cassas 2) Dalbec 3) Duran 4) Groome That's what I had in my prospect rankings. Cassas clear highest ceiling, clear number 1 for me. Dalbec and Duran are showing to be everyday players somewhere in a organization sometime soon (one or both could be traded anytime). Groome is the only starting pitching prospect that could actually stick, outside of a Mata, who is more of a backend type it seems more by the day. Point of information, in case you missed it - Groome isn't pitching off a mound yet and may not pitch this year. Not going to bury him for that yet because he's still "on schedule", but he's going to be in the back end of that. Per Speier.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 30, 2019 10:06:10 GMT -5
Duran Cassas Darwinzon Dalbec
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Post by tomhouse on May 30, 2019 10:45:04 GMT -5
Hernandez Casas Dalbec Duran
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Post by dmaineah on May 30, 2019 11:11:03 GMT -5
Casas Duran Shawaryn Hernandez
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 30, 2019 11:22:19 GMT -5
1) Cassas 2) Dalbec 3) Duran 4) Groome That's what I had in my prospect rankings. Cassas clear highest ceiling, clear number 1 for me. Dalbec and Duran are showing to be everyday players somewhere in a organization sometime soon (one or both could be traded anytime). Groome is the only starting pitching prospect that could actually stick, outside of a Mata, who is more of a backend type it seems more by the day. Point of information, in case you missed it - Groome isn't pitching off a mound yet and may not pitch this year. Not going to bury him for that yet because he's still "on schedule", but he's going to be in the back end of that. Per Speier. Yeah my rankings don't count for much lol. Even with the injury, Groome is still in my top 4. Darwinzon is a safe bet reliever, which is why I have a hard time throwing him in any top 4.
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