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alnipper
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Post by alnipper on Aug 7, 2019 12:46:41 GMT -5
Thoughts on Daniel McGrath cracking the top 60? I am aware he is an "old man" with marginal stuff. He seems to be learning how to pitch.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 7, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -5
Thoughts on Daniel McGrath cracking the top 60? I am aware he is an "old man" with marginal stuff. He seems to be learning how to pitch. He still walks too many guys. He's avoided hard contact I suppose looking at his hit/9 ratio, but I don't see somebody who's much more than a fluke at AA. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Aug 7, 2019 15:00:03 GMT -5
I could see it. He ended up at #67 on our last vote.
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Post by azzizello on Aug 7, 2019 16:17:30 GMT -5
I thought he has pitched well lately, but never gets any respect on this list. I mean even today his performance was written up in the cup of coffee blog as “near perfect” after retiring nine consecutive batters over three innings. I guess I don’t know what perfect is...9 strikeouts?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2019 3:43:55 GMT -5
Starting to get some notice. It doesn't help that he started the year as a reliever and doesn't have enough innings to be at the top (by a large margin) of the leader boards.
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pd
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Post by pd on Aug 8, 2019 9:02:10 GMT -5
Probably he's not a major league guy, but it sure is fun to see org guys like McGrath have some success and get some attention.
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Post by caseytins on Aug 31, 2019 16:16:34 GMT -5
I've been too busy to invest my time into doing my normal analysis. That being said, I am working on a top 40 list. I feel somewhat comfortable with this as a starting point:
Bryan Mata Triston Casas Bobby Dalbec Darwinzon Hernandez Gilberto Jimenez Jarren Duran Jay Groome Tanner Houck Thaddeus Ward Nick Decker CJ Chatham Noah Song Matthew Lugo
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Post by beantown on Aug 31, 2019 17:57:03 GMT -5
I've been too busy to invest my time into doing my normal analysis. That being said, I am working on a top 40 list. I feel somewhat comfortable with this as a starting point: Bryan Mata Triston Casas Bobby Dalbec Darwinzon Hernandez Gilberto Jimenez Jarren Duran Jay Groome Tanner Houck Thaddeus Ward Nick Decker CJ Chatham Noah Song Matthew Lugo Nice list. 1. I'd put my money on Gilberto leapfrogging Darwinzon as well into the #4 position. 2. Casas stays entrenched as the clear #1. Risers: Jimenez, Song, Zeferjahn, Murphy, Bello Fallers: Flores, Northcut, Diaz, Feltman, Cannon **Bold prediction: Murphy enters the top 15.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 31, 2019 23:07:37 GMT -5
FYI, Darwinzon has graduated.
Interesting prediction, beantown...
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 31, 2019 23:34:52 GMT -5
I've been too busy to invest my time into doing my normal analysis. That being said, I am working on a top 40 list. I feel somewhat comfortable with this as a starting point: Bryan Mata Triston Casas Bobby Dalbec Darwinzon Hernandez Gilberto Jimenez Jarren Duran Jay Groome Tanner Houck Thaddeus Ward Nick Decker CJ Chatham Noah Song Matthew Lugo Nice list. 1. I'd put my money on Gilberto leapfrogging Darwinzon as well into the #4 position. 2. Casas stays entrenched as the clear #1. Risers: Jimenez, Song, Zeferjahn, Murphy, Bello Fallers: Flores, Northcut, Diaz, Feltman, Cannon **Bold prediction: Murphy enters the top 15. Good Calls Beantown. I am curious to how much Flores drops. He's batting .186 and his K rate is up to 28% with zero power. But, I was told stats don't matter before Greenville Here is my top 15 1. Casas 2. Mata 3. Dalbec 4. Jimenez 5. Duran 6. Groome 7. Houck 8. Chatham 9. Song 10. Lugo 11. Ward 12. Howlett 13. Decker 14. Zeferjahn 15. Murphy
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 1, 2019 0:14:34 GMT -5
My tiered 4 pesos worth:
1 Casas 2 Mata (but close because of proximity to the majors)
3 Dalbec
4 Jiminez 5 Duran 6 Groome 7 Lugo
8 Houck (less than confident with this placement) 9 Song 10 Zeferjan 11 Ward 12 Chatham
13 Howlett 14 Flores 15 Wilson
20 would include Decker, Murphy, Shugart & Northcut (oops and Feltman)
ADD: If Darwinzon didn't evolve to Boston, he'd be in the mix with Casas and Mata.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2019 12:05:18 GMT -5
Rankings updated!
I have to say that with the pretty drastic rises of Mata, Duran, Jimenez, Ward, and Aldo Ramirez along with the surprising pickup of Song in the draft, and the trade for Marcus Wilson, the system has taken larger than expected strides this year. At least in the mid range that usually makes up future major league depth at the minimum.
There's no Xander, Mookie or Devers yet, but it's definitely in a much better place than it has been in years. There have been a few disappointments, like Feltman, Danny Diaz, Scherff, and Reyes, but overall the rises have outweighed the falls.
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dd
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Post by dd on Sept 1, 2019 21:20:35 GMT -5
Due to popular demand, I'm pleased to reintroduce Daniel McGrath!
Details
Summary:
This is the 19 yo Jorge Rodriguez, not the 34 yo player of the same name who was released by the Sox in November, '08.)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 1, 2019 21:30:33 GMT -5
Great job again dd, I always wait for your summaries to try to put it all into perspective. For me, the one I've been sleeping on the most is the guy who isn't 34.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Sept 1, 2019 22:47:05 GMT -5
Thanks dd! Groshans and De Jesus are both ranked.
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dd
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Post by dd on Sept 1, 2019 23:05:57 GMT -5
Thanks dd! Groshans and De Jesus are both ranked. Thanks. One of these bleepin' days I'll get it all right on the first try! ... or not.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 2, 2019 0:53:20 GMT -5
At the beginning of the year, I had:
Tier 1 players = zero. Tier 2 players = 5 (chavis, mata, Hernandez, Duran and houck)
Chavis and Hernandez have gone on to graduate. Which to have two, maybe three guys graduate this year, is amazing considering how thin our minor league system is,
Now as of the end of the season, I have:
Tier 1 players = 1 (lugo) Tier 2 players = 4 (mata, Duran, houck, and casas)
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 2, 2019 1:05:06 GMT -5
Rankings updated! I have to say that with the pretty drastic rises of Mata, Duran, Jimenez, Ward, and Aldo Ramirez along with the surprising pickup of Song in the draft, and the trade for Marcus Wilson, the system has taken larger than expected strides this year. At least in the mid range that usually makes up future major league depth at the minimum.There's no Xander, Mookie or Devers yet, but it's definitely in a much better place than it has been in years. There have been a few disappointments, like Feltman, Danny Diaz, Scherff, and Reyes, but overall the rises have outweighed the falls. I think that's a good point and is apparent in the "drop" by Howlett from 11 to 18 even though I'd say nobody is really lower on him than they were a year ago. Basically everyone who has passed him is new into the system, been guys nobody was familiar with who have made big splashes this year (Ward and Ramriez), or been true breakouts (Duran and Jimenez).
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 2, 2019 2:33:38 GMT -5
Rankings updated! I have to say that with the pretty drastic rises of Mata, Duran, Jimenez, Ward, and Aldo Ramirez along with the surprising pickup of Song in the draft, and the trade for Marcus Wilson, the system has taken larger than expected strides this year. At least in the mid range that usually makes up future major league depth at the minimum.There's no Xander, Mookie or Devers yet, but it's definitely in a much better place than it has been in years. There have been a few disappointments, like Feltman, Danny Diaz, Scherff, and Reyes, but overall the rises have outweighed the falls. I think that's a good point and is apparent in the "drop" by Howlett from 11 to 18 even though I'd say nobody is really lower on him than they were a year ago. Basically everyone who has passed him is new into the system, been guys nobody was familiar with who have made big splashes this year (Ward and Ramriez), or been true breakouts (Duran and Jimenez). I don't understand how Cannon is ranked above Howlett. Howlett is much younger, in a better league, and putting up better numbers across the board. Defensively, Cannon is a liability out there with 11 Errors, and Keith Law rated Cannon a 20-25 defender. I don't see Cannon ever being able to reach the majors, while I think Howlett has the ability to get there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 2, 2019 3:02:23 GMT -5
Great job again dd, I always wait for your summaries to try to put it all into perspective. For me, the one I've been sleeping on the most is the guy who isn't 34. All you do is hate on that guy huh? What did he every did to you ? Did you even played baseball in your life? Hes’s one of the best naturally baseball player you will every see play baseball, and not as other guys that use things to make them bigger and stronger you feel me ? Get a grip and start seeing things straight and fair square head I have no clue what you are talking about. You must have some insane reading skills. I was referring to this dd quote: This is the 19 yo Jorge Rodriguez, not the 34 yo player of the same name who was released by the Sox in November, '08.)
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 2, 2019 6:36:45 GMT -5
He thinks you're talking about Ceddanne Rafaela (who is ranked 34th). Even then, I have no idea how it could be inerpreted as you hating on him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 2, 2019 7:11:17 GMT -5
He thinks you're talking about Ceddanne Rafaela (who is ranked 34th). Even then, I have no idea how it could be inerpreted as you hating on him. LOL, he sent me a message entitled racist. My family will be shocked. ADD: And I'd have ranked him higher than SP does.
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Post by soxinnj on Sept 2, 2019 7:46:55 GMT -5
He thinks you're talking about Ceddanne Rafaela (who is ranked 34th). Even then, I have no idea how it could be inerpreted as you hating on him. LOL, he sent me a message entitled racist. My family will be shocked. ADD: And I'd have ranked him higher than SP does. He went on 3 or 4 threads (Icametotellthetruth2), some of which were from early August and started going off about Rafaela. Guess he’s a big fan of Rafaela?
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 2, 2019 7:53:21 GMT -5
Disapppointing year end ranings. Of the mid guys who were in the 20-60 group, none really had a breakout year into the top 10 other than Jimenez. Howlett, Flores, Northcutt and even Decker treatded water to stay in that range. Potential break out newcomers like Vaughan and Lopez didn't, as only Lopez is in the 40-50 range. First rounder (though signable) is a weak prospect seemingly unexiting to SP, and Lugo showed some spark.
So, there's a lot more volume to the rankings, but none really distinguished themselves.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 2, 2019 8:12:03 GMT -5
It's hard to judge a lot of what goes on in the DSL until eyes get on them. I'd say any of those guys (Lopez, Gonzalez, Vaughan, Bonaci, pitchers like Jackson and Gonzalez) would have a good shot at moving up quite a bit with a look in Instructs, the way Jimenez did last year or Mata did three years back.
For what it's worth, I think Decker moved up a bit in terms of regard but tread water ranking-wise because of the new talent and breakouts around him. Him staying at #12 while Duran, Jimenez, and Ward blasted up and Song and Lugo debuted is an accomplishment, even with a couple graduations mixed in.
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