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Post by sarasoxer on May 15, 2016 18:49:46 GMT -5
Uehara mostly sits at 85-87 now....in a continuing age-related velocity drop. I love Koji, so cool, such command, and so charismatic....a very passionate nice guy too. But his days are numbered. He survives on great command and a great split which allows his FB to play way up. If he could consistently throw even 89-90...whoooeeee! But he cannot. Regardless, he is an anomaly. IMO he will be 'pasteurized' after this season. Who will fill that void?
MLB is going to hard bullpen throwers...the latest clear trend. Amazingly, there are a plethora of those guys out there...major and minor. That is where we will go too with our new, forward thinking front office. We have one such guy now. We will have another 2 or so next year. Bank it.
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Post by radiohix on May 15, 2016 19:06:28 GMT -5
Ross avg velocity is 96. Hembree avg velocity 94. You have Pat Light in AAA who throws 97. Ironically, the guy who throws the hardest in Pen, Matt Barnes, is the worst pitcher of them all. Velocity is good, but it ain't everything.
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Post by bluechip on May 15, 2016 19:33:53 GMT -5
Uehara mostly sits at 85-87 now....in a continuing age-related velocity drop. I love Koji, so cool, such command, and so charismatic....a very passionate nice guy too. But his days are numbered. He survives on great command and a great split which allows his FB to play way up. If he could consistently throw even 89-90...whoooeeee! But he cannot. Regardless, he is an anomaly. IMO he will be 'pasteurized' after this season. Who will fill that void? MLB is going to hard bullpen throwers...the latest clear trend. Amazingly, there are a plethora of those guys out there...major and minor. That is where we will go too with our new, forward thinking front office. We have one such guy now. We will have another 2 or so next year. Bank it. Velocity helps, sure but it's less important than command and movement. A reliever who throws 92 with command and movement can be extremely successful. A reliever who throws 98 straight with no command will get lit up.
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Post by jimed14 on May 15, 2016 19:43:45 GMT -5
Taz is amazing. ADD: And I don't want him to leave via FAcy We should really try to sign him in September after his late season swoon due to overuse. Will be interesting to see how much he gets. Maybe 3/$24M? 4/$40M?
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Post by larrycook on May 15, 2016 19:46:50 GMT -5
Uehara mostly sits at 85-87 now....in a continuing age-related velocity drop. I love Koji, so cool, such command, and so charismatic....a very passionate nice guy too. But his days are numbered. He survives on great command and a great split which allows his FB to play way up. If he could consistently throw even 89-90...whoooeeee! But he cannot. Regardless, he is an anomaly. IMO he will be 'pasteurized' after this season. Who will fill that void? MLB is going to hard bullpen throwers...the latest clear trend. Amazingly, there are a plethora of those guys out there...major and minor. That is where we will go too with our new, forward thinking front office. We have one such guy now. We will have another 2 or so next year. Bank it. Velocity helps, sure but it's less important than command and movement. A reliever who throws 92 with command and movement can be extremely successful. A reliever who throws 98 straight with no command will get lit up. This is so true. Even at 105 mph, a straight pitch will get hammered by major leaguers. Command and movement are key components. Kelly has velocity and movement but little command. Owens has incredible movement but no velocity or command,
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 15, 2016 20:24:12 GMT -5
Are the Orioles for real? Trumbo is having a great year and they are slamming dingers at a strong pace. Their pitching and defense are probably better than expected. They are staying right with us even though it seems we are facing a lot of real bad teams at the beginning of this season. If guys like Trumbo keep producing they could be a problem.
The thing that often affects teams like the Orioles is a lack of depth. A couple key injuries and things could change with any team.
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Post by radiohix on May 15, 2016 20:24:29 GMT -5
Taz is amazing. ADD: And I don't want him to leave via FAcy We should really try to sign him in September after his late season swoon due to overuse. Will be interesting to see how much he gets. Maybe 3/$24M? 4/$40M? I really think that something can be worked out with him. Let's remember that we signed him from some kind of semi-professional league in Japan (he wasn't coming from HS) and he asked the NPB not to draft him because he wanted to sign with the Red Sox and a rule was passed by the NPB because of that (The rule require corporate player who signs overseas to sit three years before he can join a Japanese team). He stated multiple times that the team took good care of him after the TJS and in the farm system so my delisional self think that he'll sign a deal with home discount to stay with the only US organization he knew.
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Post by zimmerdown on May 15, 2016 21:08:46 GMT -5
The fact that Hannigan gets a hit on a ball that two guys easily could have caught, while Bogaerts' hit was ruled an error on a play that was 10 times harder to make, just isn't right. I know it doesn't make a lot of difference in the end, but it's something that does reflect on their batting numbers. Is there a metric that reflects this?
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Post by ikonos on May 15, 2016 21:15:07 GMT -5
I really think that something can be worked out with him. Let's remember that we signed him from some kind of semi-professional league in Japan (he wasn't coming from HS) and he asked the NPB not to draft him because he wanted to sign with the Red Sox and a rule was passed by the NPB because of that (The rule require corporate player who signs overseas to sit three years before he can join a Japanese team). He stated multiple times that the team took good care of him after the TJS and in the farm system so my delisional self think that he'll sign a deal with home discount to stay with the only US organization he knew. This would be his first chance to make big bucks and with reliever life uncertain I doubt he will take a hometown discount. He probably can pitch better than here in pitcher friendly parks which will enable him to get another contract again. He probably thinks he already gave hometown discount for playing the last 6 years for below market value.
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Post by telson13 on May 15, 2016 21:20:39 GMT -5
I think it is pretty clear that we need one [...] another flamethrower in the pen. Love Smith but at 91-92 max he is not ideal. Yeah and this Uehara dude can barely touch 89 we better DFA him ASAP. Yeah...I mean, I'm pulling for Barnes to get it together, but the guy's 3rd in the AL in FB velocity. There's more to getting outs than velo. Their bullpen is stacked, I'm not too worried about it. As for adding another starter, I'm not keen on that yet, either. Rodriguez and Kelly are coming back, Buchholz has been much worse than is typical for him, Price has been off, and Owens has struggled. And they're in first. Don't sell the farm just yet.
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Post by rangoon82 on May 15, 2016 21:43:57 GMT -5
This team's greatest need is a #2 starting pitcher if they want to make noise in the playoffs, amirite?
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Post by bookiemetts on May 15, 2016 21:49:05 GMT -5
Are the Orioles for real? Trumbo is having a great year and they are slamming dingers at a strong pace. Their pitching and defense are probably better than expected. They are staying right with us even though it seems we are facing a lot of real bad teams at the beginning of this season. If guys like Trumbo keep producing they could be a problem. The thing that often affects teams like the Orioles is a lack of depth. A couple key injuries and things could change with any team. I was thinking the same thing, but I looked at their schedule and they have also been playing some garbage teams. They're coming off series against the Yankees, A's, Twins and Tigers which are a combined 58 and 89 (.395)
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Post by station13 on May 15, 2016 22:16:11 GMT -5
The O's are going to win a lot, because the league is littered with bad teams.
The Red Sox need to find a SP, the Buchholz/Owens/OSullivan are not cutting it.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 15, 2016 22:25:42 GMT -5
The new wild card system sucks honestly. In the past there have been a lot of years the wild card was the second best team in the league. The playoff system needs to be re-done the wild card playoff game makes no sense.
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Post by art on May 15, 2016 22:26:23 GMT -5
The fact that Hannigan gets a hit on a ball that two guys easily could have caught, while Bogaerts' hit was ruled an error on a play that was 10 times harder to make, just isn't right. I know it doesn't make a lot of difference in the end, but it's something that does reflect on their batting numbers. Is there a metric that reflects this? MLB might change it if Bogaerts complains. They have made 27 scoring changes so far this year, one involving the Sox (Holt reaches on a hit instead of an error 4/30 vs NYY): m.mlb.com/promo/scoring-changes
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 15, 2016 22:36:50 GMT -5
Isn't the rule that it cant be an error if they dont touch it? Meaning Bogaerts play was not a hit bc he touched it but the play in the outfield was just misread.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 15, 2016 22:39:15 GMT -5
This team's greatest need is a #2 starting pitcher if they want to make noise in the playoffs, amirite? Please define your terms. What's a #2 starter? I'd like some quantitative measure(s) please.
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Post by art on May 15, 2016 22:48:15 GMT -5
Isn't the rule that it cant be an error if they dont touch it? Meaning Bogaerts play was not a hit bc he touched it but the play in the outfield was just misread. If there was only one guy in the vicinity and he didn't touch it but could have caught it, he can get an error. If it falls between two players, to whom would you give the error?
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Post by jimed14 on May 16, 2016 6:02:47 GMT -5
The O's are going to win a lot, because the league is littered with bad teams. The Red Sox need to find a SP, the Buchholz/Owens/OSullivan are not cutting it. Maybe they should trade for Eduardo Rodriguez.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 16, 2016 7:14:40 GMT -5
Ross avg velocity is 96. Hembree avg velocity 94. You have Pat Light in AAA who throws 97. Ironically, the guy who throws the hardest in Pen, Matt Barnes, is the worst pitcher of them all. Velocity is good, but it ain't everything.Well very true...as this has been bantered perhaps too often here. Obviously command and movement are important. Light might top at 97 and Barnes too but there is not enough command/control/movement. Barnes' curve betrays him. I watched Ross lately at 93-94..maybe he has had more. Our hardest thrower is Kimbrel and he can be dominant with less than perfect command. Regardless we are going to go after power Bullpen arms as that gives greater leeway. I have a feeling that Koji will get lit a few more times this year ending with a 3+ ERA. Our bullpen needs some help now and in the future. It will be a continuing focus. ....and I am relaxed but looking to how the team will progress to getting better.
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Post by templeusox on May 16, 2016 7:53:58 GMT -5
Great weekend of offense but I need to see some semblance of pitching tonight for my own sanity.
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Post by okin15 on May 16, 2016 8:02:23 GMT -5
The new wild card system sucks honestly. In the past there have been a lot of years the wild card was the second best team in the league. The playoff system needs to be re-done the wild card playoff game makes no sense. I really hope they don't get rid of the Wild Card game. It's the absolute best thing to watch. It's the only non-sox playoff games that I really pay attention to. I hear the lack of fairness, but really, it you can't even be the best team amongst five, do you have a claim to stake that you were undersold? Plus, this method adds fairness where it counts... by pitting the regular season best record against a team which already used up it's ace. Perhaps there should be three one-game playoffs: Best record gets a bye. Pit the two lesser division winners, and the top wild-card team against the next three teams. And if you stack it by record, then the second best team in the league isn't really getting short-changed much.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 16, 2016 8:07:24 GMT -5
The new wild card system sucks honestly. In the past there have been a lot of years the wild card was the second best team in the league. The playoff system needs to be re-done the wild card playoff game makes no sense. I really hope they don't get rid of the Wild Card game. It's the absolute best thing to watch. It's the only non-sox playoff games that I really pay attention to. I hear the lack of fairness, but really, it you can't even be the best team amongst five, do you have a claim to stake that you were undersold? Plus, this method adds fairness where it counts... by pitting the regular season best record against a team which already used up it's ace. Perhaps there should be three one-game playoffs: Best record gets a bye. Pit the two lesser division winners, and the top wild-card team against the next three teams. And if you stack it by record, then the second best team in the league isn't really getting short-changed much. If you won 98 games and just happen to share a division with a team that won 100, while teams winning 90 and 92 get into the divisional series automatically? Hell yeah you were undersold. That's an absurd system. Also, that's not a hypothetical, it's the 2015 NL.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 16, 2016 8:24:18 GMT -5
We're on to Kansas City.
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Post by mandelbro on May 16, 2016 9:05:46 GMT -5
This team's greatest need is a #2 starting pitcher if they want to make noise in the playoffs, amirite? Please define your terms. What's a #2 starter? I'd like some quantitative measure(s) please. SIERA, out of 103 qualified pitchers: David Price (4th) Rick Porcello (16th) Steven Wright (66th) Clay Buchholz (96th) So using the most literal definition imaginable, to date we're looking at a good #1, a low end #1, a high end #3, and a bad #5.
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