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6/7-6/8 Red Sox @ Giants Series Thread
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Post by kman22 on Jun 9, 2016 1:02:04 GMT -5
Taking CY out made no sense to me. Especially with the black hole of Shaw/Vazquez/Price up next. If the plan was to get Lopez into the game, he should have hit for JBJ. Then forced the lefty to face CY or a righty to face Shaw. Instead Farrell played right into SF's hand. For the record, not advocating pinch hitting for JBJ, just that it would have made more sense here than what actually happened.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 9, 2016 1:50:00 GMT -5
BrooksBaseball shows no pitches called incorrectly high or low the whole game.
Pitches thrown into Tim Timmon's expanded wide strike zone (as defined by his most extreme calls) and taken / strikes called, by pitcher:
7/4 Bumgarner 0/0 Law, Gearrin, Lopez, Strickland 3/3 Casilla
6/0 Price
Odds against that being random, which is to say, unbiased, are 31 to 1.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 9, 2016 2:50:42 GMT -5
We keep getting robbed by HP umps in one run games: After the travesty in NY, we got this
Those kind of losses are really tough to swallow!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 9, 2016 6:41:51 GMT -5
Taking CY out made no sense to me. Especially with the black hole of Shaw/Vazquez/Price up next. If the plan was to get Lopez into the game, he should have hit for JBJ. Then forced the lefty to face CY or a righty to face Shaw. Instead Farrell played right into SF's hand. For the record, not advocating pinch hitting for JBJ, just that it would have made more sense here than what actually happened. Farrell now 5-8 in one run games. Lot of moves like this.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2016 9:32:38 GMT -5
Ironically, we lost yesterday by two homers of former Red Sox draftees.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 9, 2016 9:48:59 GMT -5
Ironically, we lost yesterday by two homers of former Red Sox draftees.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 9, 2016 11:20:59 GMT -5
We keep getting robbed by HP umps in one run games: After the travesty in NY, we got this Those kind of losses are really tough to swallow! [/quote/] I would make a few comments with regard to this diagram: (1) The strike zone is not 2-dimensional, it's 3-dimensional, so the diagram in and of itself cannot completely represent whether or not a pitch is a strike. (2) If any part of the ball intersects any part of the strike zone the pitch is technically a strike (I say technically because in reality a strike is a pitch that the home plate umpire calls a strike, regardless of how it travels relative to the strike zone). (3) The 2-dimensional "strike zone" shown in the diagram is fuzzy around the edges, but looking at the plate beneath, it appears that the outer edges of the white rectangle are above the outer edge of the plate as pictured. Thus, if any part of the ball touches the outer edge of the white rectangle as it passes by the strike zone, the pitch is technically a strike. What that diagram tells me is that, as pictured, it is unclear if pitches 2 and 4 are strikes or not. The picture says they are borderline strikes/balls. Now, none of this commentary addresses the way the strike zone was called more generally, or whether there was a difference in the calling of the zone among pitchers. I'm just saying that, in isolation as this diagram pictures them, the calls in the Jackie Bradley AB were by no means egregiously bad, and may even have been defensible/correct.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2016 11:29:55 GMT -5
We keep getting robbed by HP umps in one run games: After the travesty in NY, we got this Those kind of losses are really tough to swallow! I would make a few comments with regard to this diagram: (1) The strike zone is not 2-dimensional, it's 3-dimensional, so the diagram in and of itself cannot completely represent whether or not a pitch is a strike. (2) If any part of the ball intersects any part of the strike zone the pitch is technically a strike (I say technically because in reality a strike is a pitch that the home plate umpire calls a strike, regardless of how it travels relative to the strike zone). (3) The 2-dimensional "strike zone" shown in the diagram is fuzzy around the edges, but looking at the plate beneath, it appears that the outer edges of the white rectangle are above the outer edge of the plate as pictured. Thus, if any part of the ball touches the outer edge of the white rectangle as it passes by the strike zone, the pitch is technically a strike. What that diagram tells me is that, as pictured, it is unclear if pitches 2 and 4 are strikes or not. The picture says they are borderline strikes/balls. Now, none of this commentary addresses the way the strike zone was called more generally, or whether there was a difference in the calling of the zone among pitchers. I'm just saying that, in isolation as this diagram pictures them, the calls in the Jackie Bradley AB were by no means egregiously bad, and may even have been defensible/correct. Disagree.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 9, 2016 12:41:22 GMT -5
It's amazing watching a good manager vs. our dumb one. Bochy pulls his closer to get Shaw who couldn't hit a lefty if his life depended on it at this point. Then Farrell pinch hits for one of his hottest hitters and lets Shaw hit. Just mind boggling stuff. He pulled his closer with Papi up. I'd rather have Ortiz hit vs God(Is god a L or R? And, how are his splits?) than CY vs Casilla. I've been backing CY too, and getting ripped for that too. In summary, Farrell is an idiot for playing CY, and equally dumb pinch-hitting for him with the game on the line. With currently the best hitter on the planet. Gotta love it!
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 9, 2016 13:18:28 GMT -5
Did Pete Abe go through every single at-bat in the game to see how many times the ump screwed either team? The fact that it happened in the 9th inning is irrelevant.
I want robot umps as badly as anyone, but whining that you lost a particular game because of ball/strike calls is stupid.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jun 9, 2016 14:16:36 GMT -5
Did Pete Abe go through every single at-bat in the game to see how many times the ump screwed either team? The fact that it happened in the 9th inning is irrelevant. I want robot umps as badly as anyone, but whining that you lost a particular game because of ball/strike calls is stupid.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 9, 2016 14:18:15 GMT -5
Did Pete Abe go through every single at-bat in the game to see how many times the ump screwed either team? The fact that it happened in the 9th inning is irrelevant. I want robot umps as badly as anyone, but whining that you lost a particular game because of ball/strike calls is stupid. You can complain about MLB umps being arrogant, incompetent pieces of trash (they are) while also acknowledging that the Red Sox offense stunk last night (it did). But the state of MLB umpiring is inexcusable considering there's such a viable alternative.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 9, 2016 15:29:18 GMT -5
He pulled his closer with Papi up. I'd rather have Ortiz hit vs God( Is god a L or R? And, how are his splits?) than CY vs Casilla. I've been backing CY too, and getting ripped for that too. In summary, Farrell is an idiot for playing CY, and equally dumb pinch-hitting for him with the game on the line. With currently the best hitter on the planet. Gotta love it!
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 9, 2016 21:33:41 GMT -5
BrooksBaseball shows no pitches called incorrectly high or low the whole game. Pitches thrown into Tim Timmon's expanded wide strike zone (as defined by his most extreme calls) and taken / strikes called, by pitcher: 7/4 Bumgarner 0/0 Law, Gearrin, Lopez, Strickland 3/3 Casilla 6/0 Price Odds against that being random, which is to say, unbiased, are 31 to 1. Not trying to single you out here, but when those calls go the Red Sox way it's always because the catcher is awesome at pitch framing.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2016 21:36:23 GMT -5
BrooksBaseball shows no pitches called incorrectly high or low the whole game. Pitches thrown into Tim Timmon's expanded wide strike zone (as defined by his most extreme calls) and taken / strikes called, by pitcher: 7/4 Bumgarner 0/0 Law, Gearrin, Lopez, Strickland 3/3 Casilla 6/0 Price Odds against that being random, which is to say, unbiased, are 31 to 1. Not trying to single you out here, but when those calls go the Red Sox way it's always because the catcher is awesome at pitch framing. When it goes the Red Sox' way, it's because they're in last place and it doesn't matter.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 9, 2016 21:54:08 GMT -5
Any loss stinks, but Price giving us a CG followed by a day off was much-needed for the bullpen. Quietly big, in my mind.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 10, 2016 0:02:08 GMT -5
Did Pete Abe go through every single at-bat in the game to see how many times the ump screwed either team? The fact that it happened in the 9th inning is irrelevant. I want robot umps as badly as anyone, but whining that you lost a particular game because of ball/strike calls is stupid. It's pretty easy to see from BrooksBaseball that the Giants got 7 out of 10 potential stupid wide strikes and that the Sox got 0 of 6. That's absolutely enough to tilt a 1-run game. And no, when it happens is not irrelevant. Santiago Casilla has allowed .238 / .596 / .465 in his career after getting to 3-1. JBJ has reached that count 20 times this year and is .500 / .800 / .625. Given how carefully Casilla was pitching him, that's a very likely walk with adequate umpiring. Turning a walk into an out there reduces the Sox chance of winning from 45% to 23%, and that's with an average hitter up next, not David Ortiz who now has to be pitched to. So just the last two of those 7 blown calls probably changed the game from one we were likelier to win than lose, to one we were unlikely to win. Many umpires go through an entire game without blowing three calls as egregiously as Timmons did just in that inning (including the first pitch to Hanley). To miss three times in an inning like that crosses the line into apparent incompetence. To miss three times like that in favor of the home team in the 9th inning of a game they lead by 1 run is extremely hard to explain except in terms of bias, unconscious or otherwise.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 10, 2016 0:05:14 GMT -5
BrooksBaseball shows no pitches called incorrectly high or low the whole game. Pitches thrown into Tim Timmon's expanded wide strike zone (as defined by his most extreme calls) and taken / strikes called, by pitcher: 7/4 Bumgarner 0/0 Law, Gearrin, Lopez, Strickland 3/3 Casilla 6/0 Price Odds against that being random, which is to say, unbiased, are 31 to 1. Not trying to single you out here, but when those calls go the Red Sox way it's always because the catcher is awesome at pitch framing. Not those kind of calls, not really. Good framing can obviously help a little, but those kinds of calls are mostly, we got lucky because the umpire is incompetent. They were not pitches in the area where calls go roughly 50/50, where framing can be everything. Or 40/60. Or 30/70 ...
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