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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 17, 2016 6:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 17, 2016 7:01:20 GMT -5
With the Greenville rain-out, we have the organization's two best pitching prospects on the hill today. Good stuff for this community!
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 17, 2016 7:03:19 GMT -5
Helluva night for prospect following, especially for pitching.
Kopech makes his debut . . . at the Lowell opener
Espinoza & Raudes on both end of a Greenville DH. Plus, Espinoza squares of against and old folk singer.
Wilkerson also tries make his case for a callup to Boston at some point.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 17, 2016 7:38:47 GMT -5
Jagger Rusconi is listed on the Lowell roster as an OF.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 17, 2016 9:32:28 GMT -5
Helluva night for prospect following, especially for pitching. Kopech makes his debut . . . at the Lowell opener Espinoza & Raudes on both end of a Greenville DH. Plus, Espinoza squares of against and old folk singer. Wilkerson also tries make his case for a callup to Boston at some point. Be nice to have the same prospects scheduled along with Jason Groome for GC in a few weeks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 17, 2016 11:26:04 GMT -5
From MiLB: www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160617&content_id=184580102&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milbRed Sox RHP Michael Kopech, Class A Short Season Lowell: Kopech shouldn't be with Lowell for long, but he still has plenty to prove, beginning with Friday's Opening Day start at home against Vermont. The No. 5 Red Sox prospect impressed with a high-90's fastball last season at Class A Greenville, where he posted a 2.63 ERA and 70 strikeouts in 65 innings, but he was limited by a 50-game suspension after testing positive for the stimulant Oxilofrine. If that ban didn't bring enough scrutiny about the right-handed hurler's makeup, in the spring he broke his pitching hand in a fight with a roommate, an injury that forced him to miss the first two and a half months of the Minor League season. Red Sox general manager Mike Hazen called the incident "very disappointing" when news of the fracture broke. It'll be up to Kopech to show the Red Sox and everyone else that his talent is good enough to speak for itself and to string together performances to have folks talking about his work on the field, not off it. After months of anonymity at extended spring training in Florida, the 20-year-old right-hander can start doing that with a promising start Friday night.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 17, 2016 13:20:23 GMT -5
Jagger Rusconi is listed on the Lowell roster as an OF. He's been incorrectly listed as an OF in several places since the draft last year. I was talking with Amiel in Greenville last year and mentioned that Rusconi was announced as an OF, and he was genuinely surprised by that. He's a second baseman. Worry not. He's listed as such in most places that matter, like the roster the Spinners posted as a news story yesterday.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 17, 2016 13:20:43 GMT -5
Also, PawSox game notes say that Justin Haley will be called up tomorrow to start for Pawtucket.
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Post by telluricrook on Jun 17, 2016 16:40:56 GMT -5
Things are looking bad for Espinosa already. Whats wrong with this kid? smh
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Post by rollsoxroll on Jun 17, 2016 16:51:38 GMT -5
Things are looking bad for Espinosa already. Whats wrong with this kid? smh He's a kid. He's working under a microscope in a foreign country. When you were his age what were you doing? He should be fine.
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Post by telluricrook on Jun 17, 2016 17:00:52 GMT -5
Things are looking bad for Espinosa already. Whats wrong with this kid? smh He's a kid. He's working under a microscope in a foreign country. When you were his age what were you doing? He should be fine. Yes fine is not good enough. I couldnt find one young great pitcher thats in the mlb right now that struggled in the SAL though. Its usually a breeze uk.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 17, 2016 17:15:20 GMT -5
He's a kid. He's working under a microscope in a foreign country. When you were his age what were you doing? He should be fine. Yes fine is not good enough. I couldnt find one young great pitcher thats in the mlb right now that struggled in the SAL though. Its usually a breeze uk. Entering today's game: 2016 GVL SAL A(Full) 4 4 3.35 12 12 0 0 0 0 53.2 47 22 20 0 2 19 0 54 .244 1.23 1.04 I'm not sure I'd label that performance as "struggling."
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 17, 2016 17:42:40 GMT -5
DSL Red Sox1 Bottom of the 1st Simon Muzziotti singles on a ground ball to second baseman Keudy Bocio. Offensive Substitution: Pinch-runner Willis Figueroa replaces Simon Muzziotti.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 17, 2016 17:59:50 GMT -5
He's a kid. He's working under a microscope in a foreign country. When you were his age what were you doing? He should be fine. Yes fine is not good enough. I couldnt find one young great pitcher thats in the mlb right now that struggled in the SAL though. Its usually a breeze uk. Are you trolling?
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 17, 2016 18:04:43 GMT -5
Yes fine is not good enough. I couldnt find one young great pitcher thats in the mlb right now that struggled in the SAL though. Its usually a breeze uk. Entering today's game: 2016 GVL SAL A(Full) 4 4 3.35 12 12 0 0 0 0 53.2 47 22 20 0 2 19 0 54 .244 1.23 1.04 I'm not sure I'd label that performance as "struggling." Three things worth noting. I may get the actual data on the first 2, later. -- His ERA has been inflated by terrible inherited runner support. -- He's allowed a very high BABIP on ground balls, which is to say, he's pitching in front of a shaky defense. -- Most importantly, he's not trying to be as effective as he can be. He's trying to learn how to command his secondary pitches. That seems to be more of a struggle than we expected, but it really doesn't change the ultimate evaluation. I would guess that he's relying less on his FB and throwing more curves and changes than any kid his age ordinarily would. IOW, the FB is the one thing that is prodigy-advanced in his repertoire. We saw what happened last year when he threw something like 85%+ fastballs; kids at this level can't do much with it. But he's got an 18 year-old's change and curve, in terms of consistency and command. Because the FB is so advanced, the thing to do is to have him emphasize the secondary stuff more than would be usual. I would love to see the pitch breakdown of these disappointing games versus the stellar ones that have been interspersed; I bet those outings have a much higher FB %.
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Post by myleskennefick on Jun 17, 2016 18:11:36 GMT -5
He's a kid. He's working under a microscope in a foreign country. When you were his age what were you doing? He should be fine. Yes fine is not good enough. I couldnt find one young great pitcher thats in the mlb right now that struggled in the SAL though. Its usually a breeze uk. How many had better numbers in the SAL at 18?
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2016 18:13:02 GMT -5
I'm at Winston-Salem to see Salem. No Moncada again. Might not be much to report; these guys have been seen a lot. Quiet first inning.
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Post by jmei on Jun 17, 2016 18:13:43 GMT -5
-- Most importantly, he's not trying to be as effective as he can be. He's trying to learn how to command his secondary pitches. That seems to be more of a struggle than we expected, but it really doesn't change the ultimate evaluation. I would guess that he's relying less on his FB and throwing more curves and changes than any kid his age ordinarily would. IOW, the FB is the one thing that is prodigy-advanced in his repertoire. We saw what happened last year when he threw something like 85%+ fastballs; kids at this level can't do much with it. But he's got an 18 year-old's change and curve, in terms of consistency and command. Because the FB is so advanced, the thing to do is to have him emphasize the secondary stuff more than would be usual. I would love to see the pitch breakdown of these disappointing games versus the stellar ones that have been interspersed; I bet those outings have a much higher FB %. It would be helpful if you clarified the factual basis for the above claims. Did you watch his games or can you cite to scouting reports or articles to support the propositions that (a) he is throwing many more secondary pitches this year than last year and (b) that this is the reason for his struggles? Or is it just a hypothesis based pretty much entirely on your intuition?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2016 18:26:29 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2016 19:30:51 GMT -5
I'm at Winston-Salem to see Salem. No Moncada again. Might not be much to report; these guys have been seen a lot. Quiet first inning. As I expected not much to talk about through half a game. I was going to say Dubon looks like aSS but he has two errors one on a simple grounder to his left the second a throw that he needed to hurry. Mike Myers looks like a Cf, laid down a nice bunt for a hit, also also plays scary movie music for his walk up (Michael Meyers) Devers 0-2 with a k and a ball hit hard to 2b. Looks good at 3b- one short hop that he played well. Jalen Beeks looks a little better than his results. No stadium gun.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2016 19:45:27 GMT -5
And now a *very* nice play at 3b by Devers. Hard hit ball bouncing over his head along the line; went up and got it then made a long strong throw on one hop. Very athletic play.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2016 20:30:14 GMT -5
Devers in the 9th smokes a line drive right to the cf.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 17, 2016 21:04:45 GMT -5
-- Most importantly, he's not trying to be as effective as he can be. He's trying to learn how to command his secondary pitches. That seems to be more of a struggle than we expected, but it really doesn't change the ultimate evaluation. I would guess that he's relying less on his FB and throwing more curves and changes than any kid his age ordinarily would. IOW, the FB is the one thing that is prodigy-advanced in his repertoire. We saw what happened last year when he threw something like 85%+ fastballs; kids at this level can't do much with it. But he's got an 18 year-old's change and curve, in terms of consistency and command. Because the FB is so advanced, the thing to do is to have him emphasize the secondary stuff more than would be usual. I would love to see the pitch breakdown of these disappointing games versus the stellar ones that have been interspersed; I bet those outings have a much higher FB %. It would be helpful if you clarified the factual basis for the above claims. Did you watch his games or can you cite to scouting reports or articles to support the propositions that (a) he is throwing many more secondary pitches this year than last year and (b) that this is the reason for his struggles? Or is it just a hypothesis based pretty much entirely on your intuition? He's thrown a ton of wild pitches. I think that if he'd been getting them on FBs, we'd have heard about it. He's walking more guys, and again, if his FB command were suffering, I think we would have heard about it. So it's an inference from a combination of an a priori belief that he would be doing what I described, and data that supports it.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 17, 2016 21:06:09 GMT -5
Just came from Lowell. Kopech really has the swagger of an ace, and I'm so pleased I had the opportunity to see him pitch.
If you believe the radar gun at LeLacheur Park (I don't), he hit 101 in the first inning, but never touched that again. For the rest of the outing he was mostly 91-95, occasionally touching 97. He was also clearly working on his secondary pitches, with mixed results. He threw a lot of pitches in 4+ innings, walked four, gave up four hits, no runs. His tempo really slowed with men on base, which made for a very slow-moving game.
Overall, pretty good, and I fully expect to see him pitching in Boston in a couple of years.
Yoan Aybar can really fly.
If anyone knows how Jagger Rusconi got his name, I'd like to hear the story. Thanks.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 17, 2016 21:07:23 GMT -5
I'm at Winston-Salem to see Salem. No Moncada again. Might not be much to report; these guys have been seen a lot. Quiet first inning. Did you notice Beeks' delivery? I thought the leg kick was reduced from the ST video, but I wasn't sure my memory was reliable.
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