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Post by station13 on Jul 1, 2016 23:06:06 GMT -5
I thought that would sneak by off Bogaerts bat.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 1, 2016 23:09:32 GMT -5
My goodness Vazquez is ineffective. It might not be too bad of an idea to send him down when Hanigan comes back. You have to hope Hanigan or Sandman can catch Wright. Hanigan gets a work out every game catching Wright. How about some clarity. He threw the guy out at second and Pedroia was in the wrong position to make the tag. And he was at least as responsible as Uehara for the out at home plate, a great play at both ends. He's also been on base 3 times. Why should he go anywhere?
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Post by bosox on Jul 1, 2016 23:09:38 GMT -5
Kimbrel always seems to make it an adventure.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 1, 2016 23:18:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure what Remy is talking about. That ball should be dead once it goes into the stands.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 1, 2016 23:18:38 GMT -5
LOL, Mr. Super-Elite Closer can't even get Daniel Nava out. Lucky for him that skipped into the stands.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 1, 2016 23:19:57 GMT -5
Danny Nava, why can't we get hitters like that
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Post by templeusox on Jul 1, 2016 23:20:40 GMT -5
O'Brien and Remy need glasses. That ball clearly hit something in the stands and bounced back out.
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Post by thursty on Jul 1, 2016 23:21:23 GMT -5
Regardless of the outcome of this game, fact is, Kimbrel has been the 5th best closer in the AL East this season
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Post by bosox on Jul 1, 2016 23:21:54 GMT -5
Wow. A lot of work but they got the win!
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Post by pd on Jul 1, 2016 23:24:05 GMT -5
Great win, nice job Farrell.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 1, 2016 23:25:38 GMT -5
Give that kid the game ball... oh wait, he already has it.
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Post by thursty on Jul 1, 2016 23:28:19 GMT -5
No reason to dampen a win, so i'll spare the particulars, but there were a lot of concerns manifest within this game.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 1, 2016 23:31:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we got a lucky break there, but I think we deserve it for the Kulpa mess earlier in the season. Also a pretty good omen to start off the month!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 1, 2016 23:41:10 GMT -5
Seattle has gone ahead of the O's, 5-2, in the eighth and the MFY trail the mighty Padres, 6-2, in the sixth. Good chance we'll gain on everyone tonight - um, I mean this morning. Nice.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 1, 2016 23:46:11 GMT -5
No reason to dampen a win, so i'll spare the particulars, but there were a lot of concerns manifest within this game. Yes, starting with the pitching. Wright (6.97 FIP, 5.70 xFIP) had a lot of traffic on the bases and all three relievers struggled. Taz threw 31 pitches, so he may or may not be available tomorrow. Ditto for ol' man Koji, who threw 23.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2016 23:58:57 GMT -5
Glad they got the win tonight. The sox will need to win games like that to have a chance at the playoffs. Hopefully the pitching looks better tomorrow.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2016 0:38:55 GMT -5
No reason to dampen a win, so i'll spare the particulars, but there were a lot of concerns manifest within this game. Yes, starting with the pitching. Wright (6.97 FIP, 5.70 xFIP) had a lot of traffic on the bases and all three relievers struggled. Taz threw 31 pitches, so he may or may not be available tomorrow. Ditto for ol' man Koji, who threw 23. You can gaze at your navel all you want. I could just as easily conjecture that he was inducing double plays. He was very effective till it started raining. The guy is, after all, an adult. He's also been on the trail of an MLB job - courtesy of a killer knuckleball - for at least 5 years. We have to assume he knows a bit about his stuff, when it's effective, and when it's not. It would be useful if the team took him at his word when he says that he loses control when it rains. There's no mystery here. That was the only issue tonight.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 2, 2016 1:20:22 GMT -5
Yes, starting with the pitching. Wright (6.97 FIP, 5.70 xFIP) had a lot of traffic on the bases and all three relievers struggled. Taz threw 31 pitches, so he may or may not be available tomorrow. Ditto for ol' man Koji, who threw 23. You can gaze at your navel all you want. I could just as easily conjecture that he was inducing double plays. He was very effective till it started raining. The guy is, after all, an adult. He's also been on the trail of an MLB job - courtesy of a killer knuckleball - for at least 5 years. We have to assume he knows a bit about his stuff, when it's effective, and when it's not. It would be useful if the team took him at his word when he says that he loses control when it rains. There's no mystery here. That was the only issue tonight. They don't even need to take him at his word. It's blatantly obvious and pretty simple logic that he is likely to struggle mightily in the rain. That said, apparently they discussed the at-bat with him prior to the pitch to Cron and had agreed to go with the knuckleball, but Wright changed his mind and was worried about walking in a run, and thus went with the fastball. But it shouldn't have even come to that. There was no reason Wright should have been on the hill for the Cron at-bat. Barnes should have been in. There are plenty of problems with this team, and one of them remains the manager
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 2, 2016 10:11:29 GMT -5
Yes, starting with the pitching. Wright (6.97 FIP, 5.70 xFIP) had a lot of traffic on the bases and all three relievers struggled. Taz threw 31 pitches, so he may or may not be available tomorrow. Ditto for ol' man Koji, who threw 23. You can gaze at your navel all you want. I could just as easily conjecture that he was inducing double plays. He was very effective till it started raining. The guy is, after all, an adult. He's also been on the trail of an MLB job - courtesy of a killer knuckleball - for at least 5 years. We have to assume he knows a bit about his stuff, when it's effective, and when it's not. It would be useful if the team took him at his word when he says that he loses control when it rains. There's no mystery here. That was the only issue tonight. Well, I was actually gazing at Fangraphs. My navel gets kind of boring after awhile. The in-game stat log showed me he allowed six hits, two walks and a WP through five innings. That's a WHIP of 1.6 and an OPS of .838 against a below-average offensive team. He wasn't, as you say, "very effective." I think only Nick Carfado agrees with you on this. He said Wright was "breezing along" through five. It sounds from the game stories like Farrell was asked about the rain issue and didn't answer the question directly. The beat writers should continue to press him during his pre-game availability later today. I want to know whether he and/or Willis had the discussion with Wright before the sixth. If they didn't think to ask or if they asked and Wright expressed reservations and they sent him out there anyways, that's pretty bad and opens the manager and pitching coach to very fair criticism.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2016 10:17:02 GMT -5
As soon as it starts raining, you take Wright out. Before it's raining, you leave him in. This isn't that difficult. And there is no need to discuss whether he thinks this time is the first time he can be effective while it's raining. How he was pitching isn't even relevant.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 2, 2016 10:30:01 GMT -5
As soon as it starts raining, you take Wright out. Before it's raining, you leave him in. This isn't that difficult. And there is no need to discuss whether he thinks this time is the first time he can be effective while it's raining. How he was pitching isn't even relevant. I'm coming around to your POV. I had forgotten about the interview after the Houston game in which he said he has trouble in the rain. But I'd still like to know whether they at least talked pre-sixth inning. The point in my last post about how Wright pitched through the first five was that an .838 OPS-against would not be considered in any non-Nick Carfado world to be "very effective."
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2016 11:26:44 GMT -5
...Well, I was actually gazing at Fangraphs. My navel gets kind of boring after awhile. The in-game stat log showed me he allowed six hits, two walks and a WP through five innings. That's a WHIP of 1.6 and an OPS of .838 against a below-average offensive team. He wasn't, as you say, "very effective." I think only Nick Carfado agrees with you on this. He said Wright was "breezing along" through five. ... Four of those hits were grounders through the infield. While you might call them well-placed, I'll fall back on BABIP. This is why a reliance on an aggregate stat such as OPS for a five inning sample is just about useless. Go back and look at the game. Until the disaster in the 6 th he had done very well, limiting hard contact and controlling the knuckler well enough to only give up two walks.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 2, 2016 15:13:59 GMT -5
Even more humidity than normal could affect the movement of his knuckleball some one would think ( some air dynamics factors ) and perspiration issues with the grip could be an issue for him. I doubt if it would be enough though. Would leave him in until it rains as Jimed said.
I wonder what it would be like if some team looked at the ideal environmental factors for knuckleball guys and traded accordingly. Maybe an Arizona if low humidity is important. Colorado if high altitude would help. Variabilities in wind amount. I vaguely remember that domes could be a plus but that doesn't seem to have worked for Toronto.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 2, 2016 18:21:24 GMT -5
WTH is this... Harald Reynolds?
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 2, 2016 18:24:17 GMT -5
WTH is this... Clay Buchholz? (
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