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Post by michael on Aug 28, 2016 19:33:54 GMT -5
Beane would have had AE up this Apr.
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Post by jchang on Aug 28, 2016 19:37:41 GMT -5
Ask Baltimore how smart it was to rush a hot prospect for a Sep callup at age 19.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 28, 2016 21:59:42 GMT -5
What Kopech has done over his last three starts translates to about a 2.80 - 2.85 ERA in MLB (my level translations, developed for the Sox in '05). I actually think that deepjohn is right; if he pitches like that (big if), he could be an asset to an MLB bullpen right now. OTOH, what he's done over his last 5 starts is more like 3.70. Which is an MLB bullpen pitcher, but just another guy. If we had a desperate need for an 8th inning guy in the upcoming post-season, fast-tracking Kopech into that role, starting now, might very well be a gamble worth taking. But we don't.In reality, the post-season pen is going to be Kimbrel, Pomeranz or Rodriguez, Ziegler, Ross, Barnes, and two of Uehara, Buchholz, and Tazawa. Given the well-articulated downside to this experiment, when the most likely upside is he might be an improvement over Buchholz for the last spot in the pen ... it's not an idea that should be mentioned again. Seriously. This is true, the re-emergence of stellar Buchholz has enormously increased the post-season chances of the Red Sox, in ways that I think have not dawned on people yet. But does the sudden emergence of ERA 2.80 Kopech continue, or get better yet, making him an improvement on Kimbrel? I apologize in advance but I'm just not on board with the downside, however well-articulated it is. The goal is to win. When Chapman/Rondon come in, or Cody Allen/Andrew Miller come in, I think DDo/ownership will want our best coming in opposite them. This is for all the marbles. If you were being consistent about small sample sizes in the minors as translated to MLB, you would be advocating for Kopech to start game 1 of the postseason (since no one on the staff projects to be a 2.80 guy going forward) ... and, much more conclusively, for Joe Kelly to be the closer. I cited the translations for Kopech over his last 3 games for entertainment purposes only. I cited the 5-game translation because he was brilliant 5 games ago, a start indistinguishable from the last 3.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 0:05:08 GMT -5
This is true, the re-emergence of stellar Buchholz has enormously increased the post-season chances of the Red Sox, in ways that I think have not dawned on people yet. But does the sudden emergence of ERA 2.80 Kopech continue, or get better yet, making him an improvement on Kimbrel? I apologize in advance but I'm just not on board with the downside, however well-articulated it is. The goal is to win. When Chapman/Rondon come in, or Cody Allen/Andrew Miller come in, I think DDo/ownership will want our best coming in opposite them. This is for all the marbles. If you were being consistent about small sample sizes in the minors as translated to MLB, you would be advocating for Kopech to start game 1 of the postseason (since no one on the staff projects to be a 2.80 guy going forward) ... and, much more conclusively, for Joe Kelly to be the closer. I cited the translations for Kopech over his last 3 games for entertainment purposes only. I cited the 5-game translation because he was brilliant 5 games ago, a start indistinguishable from the last 3. Funny you should say that. After Erod's performance tonight, maybe the Sox are still using your level translations from 2005 and give Kopech a shot at starting. Something I haven't look at is how good or bad the bullpen is. Based on WPA, it looks like the pen has cost the team about 1-2 games. But it also looks like the bullpen has blown leads in six games in August. 8/3 at Seattle--Abad 8/10 NYY--Abad 8/11 NYY--Ziegler 8/18 at DET--Tazawa/Ziegler 8/25 at TB--Hembree Tonight Here's an account of someone who saw Kopech in his most recent brilliant start (7 IP, one soft infield hit), which is consistent with what his pitching coach is saying: Aside: I am hoping Kelly will be called up by Aug. 31, so he can make the post-season roster. There's one spot available for a pitcher to be acquired in September and still be substituted in the post-season roster because of the 60 day DL rule. Kopech could fill that spot. We'll see...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2016 0:14:40 GMT -5
If you were being consistent about small sample sizes in the minors as translated to MLB, you would be advocating for Kopech to start game 1 of the postseason (since no one on the staff projects to be a 2.80 guy going forward) ... and, much more conclusively, for Joe Kelly to be the closer. I cited the translations for Kopech over his last 3 games for entertainment purposes only. I cited the 5-game translation because he was brilliant 5 games ago, a start indistinguishable from the last 3. Funny you should say that. After Erod's performance tonight, maybe the Sox are still using your level translations from 2005 and give Kopech a shot at starting. Something I haven't look at is how good or bad the bullpen is. Based on WPA, it looks like the pen has cost the team about 1-2 games. But it also looks like the bullpen has blown leads in six games in August. 8/3 at Seattle--Abad 8/10 NYY--Abad 8/11 NYY--Ziegler 8/18 at DET--Tazawa/Ziegler 8/25 at TB--Hembree Tonight Here's an account of someone who saw Kopech in his most recent brilliant start (7 IP, one soft infield hit), which is consistent with what his pitching coach is saying: Aside: I am hoping Kelly will be called up by Aug. 31, so he can make the post-season roster. There's one spot available for a pitcher to be acquired in September and still be substituted in the post-season roster because of the 60 day DL rule. Kopech could fill that spot. We'll see... Does it matter if Kelly is called up prior to Sept 1st? I thought the rule was if the player is in the organization prior to Sept 1st he can take the roster spot of a player on the 60 day DL like Carson Smith, so I don't think it matters if he's on the roster prior to 9/1. And don't hold your breath on Kopech getting the call. It isn't happening anymore than the Teheran deal is happening.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 0:18:59 GMT -5
Funny you should say that. After Erod's performance tonight, maybe the Sox are still using your level translations from 2005 and give Kopech a shot at starting. Something I haven't look at is how good or bad the bullpen is. Based on WPA, it looks like the pen has cost the team about 1-2 games. But it also looks like the bullpen has blown leads in six games in August. 8/3 at Seattle--Abad 8/10 NYY--Abad 8/11 NYY--Ziegler 8/18 at DET--Tazawa/Ziegler 8/25 at TB--Hembree Tonight Here's an account of someone who saw Kopech in his most recent brilliant start (7 IP, one soft infield hit), which is consistent with what his pitching coach is saying: Aside: I am hoping Kelly will be called up by Aug. 31, so he can make the post-season roster. There's one spot available for a pitcher to be acquired in September and still be substituted in the post-season roster because of the 60 day DL rule. Kopech could fill that spot. We'll see... Does it matter if Kelly is called up prior to Sept 1st? I thought the rule was if the player is in the organization prior to Sept 1st he can take the roster spot of a player on the 60 day DL like Carson Smith, so I don't think it matters if he's on the roster prior to 9/1. And don't hold your breath on Kopech getting the call. It isn't happening anymore than the Teheran deal is happening. Spot on. If Kelly takes that spot then it's not available for Kopech. If Kelly is called up by Aug. 31, then the spot is still open.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2016 1:08:54 GMT -5
Does it matter if Kelly is called up prior to Sept 1st? I thought the rule was if the player is in the organization prior to Sept 1st he can take the roster spot of a player on the 60 day DL like Carson Smith, so I don't think it matters if he's on the roster prior to 9/1. And don't hold your breath on Kopech getting the call. It isn't happening anymore than the Teheran deal is happening. Spot on. If Kelly takes that spot then it's not available for Kopech. If Kelly is called up by Aug. 31, then the spot is still open. Perhaps I don't know the rule completely, but theoretically it doesn't matter if either one of them are on the Sox by 8/31. They could both make the post-season roster - again theoretically. I believe K-Rod never played for the Angels in 2002 prior to 9/1 and he wound up taking the spot of a guy who was on the 60 day DL, but because he had been in the organization prior to 9/1 he was eligible to do so. Both Kelly and Kopech have been in the organization prior to 9/1. Carson Smith's spot is available. If he doesn't come back, Koji's spot is available. Sandoval's spot is available. I could be wrong, but isn't Brandon Workman on the 60 day DL as well making his spot available? Honestly, I feel silly even giving any thought to Kopech coming to Boston. He's not, so I'm not sure why it makes sense to suppose that he could. They're not skipping AA and AAA to send him to Boston. As dominant as he's been A ball hitters and major league hitters have a wide gulf between them and I doubt they want to expose Kopech to that.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 3:52:13 GMT -5
Spot on. If Kelly takes that spot then it's not available for Kopech. If Kelly is called up by Aug. 31, then the spot is still open. Perhaps I don't know the rule completely, but theoretically it doesn't matter if either one of them are on the Sox by 8/31. They could both make the post-season roster - again theoretically. I believe K-Rod never played for the Angels in 2002 prior to 9/1 and he wound up taking the spot of a guy who was on the 60 day DL, but because he had been in the organization prior to 9/1 he was eligible to do so. Both Kelly and Kopech have been in the organization prior to 9/1. Carson Smith's spot is available. If he doesn't come back, Koji's spot is available. Sandoval's spot is available. I could be wrong, but isn't Brandon Workman on the 60 day DL as well making his spot available? Honestly, I feel silly even giving any thought to Kopech coming to Boston. He's not, so I'm not sure why it makes sense to suppose that he could. They're not skipping AA and AAA to send him to Boston. As dominant as he's been A ball hitters and major league hitters have a wide gulf between them and I doubt they want to expose Kopech to that. I see that they changed the rule last year so that the entire 40 man is eligible for the post-season roster. And minor league pitchers can replace pitchers on the DL, and milb position players can replace position players on the DL, provided the disabled player has served the full 60 regular season days on the DL. So yeah, Kelly can be named to the post-season roster since he's on the 40 man. And Carson Smith or Brandon Workman, who have both served the full 60 regular-season days on the DL, could be replaced by a hypothetical minor league pitcher. Hmm, wonder who that might be?
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 29, 2016 6:15:15 GMT -5
Perhaps I don't know the rule completely, but theoretically it doesn't matter if either one of them are on the Sox by 8/31. They could both make the post-season roster - again theoretically. I believe K-Rod never played for the Angels in 2002 prior to 9/1 and he wound up taking the spot of a guy who was on the 60 day DL, but because he had been in the organization prior to 9/1 he was eligible to do so. Both Kelly and Kopech have been in the organization prior to 9/1. Carson Smith's spot is available. If he doesn't come back, Koji's spot is available. Sandoval's spot is available. I could be wrong, but isn't Brandon Workman on the 60 day DL as well making his spot available? Honestly, I feel silly even giving any thought to Kopech coming to Boston. He's not, so I'm not sure why it makes sense to suppose that he could. They're not skipping AA and AAA to send him to Boston. As dominant as he's been A ball hitters and major league hitters have a wide gulf between them and I doubt they want to expose Kopech to that. I see that they changed the rule last year so that the entire 40 man is eligible for the post-season roster. And minor league pitchers can replace pitchers on the DL, and milb position players can replace position players on the DL, provided the disabled player has served the full 60 regular season days on the DL. So yeah, Kelly can be named to the post-season roster since he's on the 40 man. And Carson Smith or Brandon Workman, who have both served the full 60 regular-season days on the DL, could be replaced by a hypothetical minor league pitcher. Hmm, wonder who that might be? Duh! Keith Couch.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2016 7:09:44 GMT -5
I see that they changed the rule last year so that the entire 40 man is eligible for the post-season roster. And minor league pitchers can replace pitchers on the DL, and milb position players can replace position players on the DL, provided the disabled player has served the full 60 regular season days on the DL. So yeah, Kelly can be named to the post-season roster since he's on the 40 man. And Carson Smith or Brandon Workman, who have both served the full 60 regular-season days on the DL, could be replaced by a hypothetical minor league pitcher. Hmm, wonder who that might be? Duh! Keith Couch. No silly, it would be Noe Ramirez. You know they got to get that kid back up here! P.S. I'm really sorry for my part in bumping a thread in which somebody actually hopes to actually learn something about an exciting young prospect rather than reading about how he's a HOF in waiting or the missing link to the bullpen. Maybe the thread should be split into two separate threads?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 29, 2016 7:23:01 GMT -5
If you were being consistent about small sample sizes in the minors as translated to MLB, you would be advocating for Kopech to start game 1 of the postseason (since no one on the staff projects to be a 2.80 guy going forward) ... and, much more conclusively, for Joe Kelly to be the closer. I cited the translations for Kopech over his last 3 games for entertainment purposes only. I cited the 5-game translation because he was brilliant 5 games ago, a start indistinguishable from the last 3. Funny you should say that. After Erod's performance tonight, maybe the Sox are still using your level translations from 2005 and give Kopech a shot at starting. Something I haven't look at is how good or bad the bullpen is. Based on WPA, it looks like the pen has cost the team about 1-2 games. But it also looks like the bullpen has blown leads in six games in August. 8/3 at Seattle--Abad 8/10 NYY--Abad 8/11 NYY--Ziegler 8/18 at DET--Tazawa/Ziegler 8/25 at TB--Hembree Tonight Here's an account of someone who saw Kopech in his most recent brilliant start (7 IP, one soft infield hit), which is consistent with what his pitching coach is saying: Aside: I am hoping Kelly will be called up by Aug. 31, so he can make the post-season roster. There's one spot available for a pitcher to be acquired in September and still be substituted in the post-season roster because of the 60 day DL rule. Kopech could fill that spot. We'll see... Postseason???!!! Postseason???!!! You're talking about postseason???!!! We're just trying to win a game here!!!! Or however that rant went.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 29, 2016 15:45:31 GMT -5
I'm a bit amazed at how some people are certain that Kopech won't be called up.
Seriously, take a breath and ask yourself 'if Kopech makes 3 more starts like his last 3 starts, will DD call him up for the bullpen?'. Now Kopech could struggle or get hurt in the meantime, but the answer to that question is a strong 'YES' in my mind.
Keep in mind the question isn't 'would you call him up', it's 'will DD call him up'. The guy was brought in to win now and he's committed to winning now.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2016 15:54:16 GMT -5
I'm a bit amazed at how certain people are that Kopech won't be called up. Seriously, take a breath and ask your self 'if Kopech makes 3 more starts like his last 3 starts, would DD call him up for the bullpen?'. Now Kopech could struggle or get hurt in the meantime, but that question is a strong 'YES' in my mind. Keep in mind the question isn't 'would you call him up', it's 'would DD call him up'. The guy was brought in to win now and he's committed to winning now. If that's true, why didn't DD trade him? He's definitely not committed to trading all the prospects or screwing up their development just to win now. Anyone remember how great Brandon Finnegan was for the Royals a few years ago? Well now he's in Cincinnati starting as a replacement level pitcher.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 29, 2016 16:01:25 GMT -5
I'm a bit amazed at how certain people are that Kopech won't be called up. Seriously, take a breath and ask your self 'if Kopech makes 3 more starts like his last 3 starts, would DD call him up for the bullpen?'. Now Kopech could struggle or get hurt in the meantime, but that question is a strong 'YES' in my mind. Keep in mind the question isn't 'would you call him up', it's 'would DD call him up'. The guy was brought in to win now and he's committed to winning now. If that's true, why didn't DD trade him? He's definitely not committed to trading all the prospects or screwing up their development just to win now. Anyone remember how great Brandon Finnegan was for the Royals a few years ago? Well now he's in Cincinnati starting as a replacement level pitcher. DD so far has shown that he will deal from what appears to be excess rather than getting the greatest possible value (although he has done fine in the value department). The Red Sox had 2 blue chip pitchers in A-ball and he dealt one. It's possible that he will deal Kopech in the future, but Kopech's value has skyrocketed the past few weeks as he finally stopped walking the players, coaches and the mascot. It's possible that Brandon Finnegan just wasn't that good in the end. This is common for pitchers whether they are coddled are thrown to the wolves - not to say it isn't possible he mentally couldn't rebound. I'm of the opinion that it won't stunt his growth or result in injury. Others disagree, which i respect. I'm uncertain if he will perform as hoped. But that doesn't answer the question: 'will DD call him up if he has 3 more starts like his last 3 starts?'
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2016 16:20:09 GMT -5
If that's true, why didn't DD trade him? He's definitely not committed to trading all the prospects or screwing up their development just to win now. Anyone remember how great Brandon Finnegan was for the Royals a few years ago? Well now he's in Cincinnati starting as a replacement level pitcher. DD so far has shown that he will deal from what appears to be excess rather than getting the greatest possible value (although he has done fine in the value department). The Red Sox had 2 blue chip pitchers in A-ball and he dealt one. It's possible that he will deal Kopech in the future, but Kopech's value has skyrocketed the past few weeks as he finally stopped walking the players, coaches and the mascot. It's possible that Brandon Finnegan just wasn't that good in the end. This is common for pitchers whether they are coddled are thrown to the wolves - not to say it isn't possible he mentally couldn't rebound. I'm of the opinion that it won't stunt his growth or result in injury. Others disagree, which i respect. I'm uncertain if he will perform as hoped. But that doesn't answer the question: 'will DD call him up if he has 3 more starts like his last 3 starts?' DD has also shown that he's thinking about more than this year, which is something that you are implying he doesn't do when you say "he's committed to winning now".
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 29, 2016 16:26:56 GMT -5
But that doesn't answer the question: 'will DD call him up if he has 3 more starts like his last 3 starts?' OK. I'll try. No, because: 1) Success in High A does not portend immediate success in MLB. Heck, success in High A does not portend immediate success in Double-A. High-90s heat is going to get you success no matter what at this level, but in the majors, it also needs to be located. Hunter Strickland would probably be happy to discuss this with you if you give him a call. 2) If they were going to do this with a player, they would not do it with one who has had the maturity concerns that Kopech has. I ask you to trust me on this one. 3) As mentioned above, there are long-term issues such as options, years of team control, etc. that play into this. With players like Benintendi and Moncada, maybe they're not completely "fully-baked", so to speak, this minute, but they're almost certainly going to be midway through 2017. If Kopech is indeed a starter, it's entirely possible that he'll need two more full seasons in the minors to get there, and by bringing him up now, you're unnecessarily starting to burn options next year. 4) They likely need to DFA someone to put him on the roster, assuming that Moncada and one of LaMarre and Castillo get added and Holaday is DFA. I wouldn't lose sleep over DFAing Williams Jerez, but I would want to be certain that this player would be a key contributor. 5) Might be somewhat repetitive, but I really think some of you are seriously underappreciating the jump you would be asking this player to make in putting him into high-leverage situations in a pennant race in September. That's a lot to ask a guy who has been in Triple-A, never mind two levels down. I don't think it's impossible. I would, however, be stunned and consider it an enormous, unnecessary gamble.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 17:12:24 GMT -5
I'm a bit amazed at how some people are certain that Kopech won't be called up. Seriously, take a breath and ask yourself 'if Kopech makes 3 more starts like his last 3 starts, will DD call him up for the bullpen?'. Now Kopech could struggle or get hurt in the meantime, but the answer to that question is a strong 'YES' in my mind. Keep in mind the question isn't 'would you call him up', it's 'will DD call him up'. The guy was brought in to win now and he's committed to winning now. Of course, he'll call him up. It's how baseball operations work. It's all about winning, and you certainly are not going to leave far and away your best velocity/spin rate pitcher, with two "devastating weapons" according to your own ml coaching staff, a 98 MPH FB and a 91 slider, who's getting rave reviews from your own coaches for his makeup, in the minors while your bullpen blows leads in six games in August, and Erod continues to struggle. Really, you should be fired if you did. Theo and Joe Maddon would have brought him up and saved $50M in prospects they gave up for Chapman, so would Chernoff and Francona and saved a like amount they gave up for Andrew Miller. The reason DDo didn't go chasing Chapman and Miller is he thinks he has Kopech ready if his coaches are right. The idea that Kopech has maturity issues is also complete and total bunk. He took a protein supplement that a Harvard Med study shows was likely not properly labelled, and punched a guy who had it coming. Unfortunate, yes. An ongoing issue? Again, according to his coaches, who know him best, he gets rave reviews for his makeup. Personally, I hate to see a young ballplayer criticized the way Kopech has been by people who have never even investigated what happened. Please stop. Let's show some respect for our prospects. If you don't have very good proof of your otherwise slanderous allegations, then STFU!
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Post by atzar on Aug 29, 2016 18:34:45 GMT -5
Of course, he'll call him up. It's how baseball operations work. It's all about winning, and you certainly are not going to leave far and away your best velocity/spin rate pitcher, with two "devastating weapons" according to your own ml coaching staff, a 98 MPH FB and a 91 slider, who's getting rave reviews from your own coaches for his makeup, in the minors while your bullpen blows leads in six games in August, and Erod continues to struggle. Really, you should be fired if you did. Theo and Joe Maddon would have brought him up and saved $50M in prospects they gave up for Chapman, so would Chernoff and Francona and saved a like amount they gave up for Andrew Miller. The reason DDo didn't go chasing Chapman and Miller is he thinks he has Kopech ready if his coaches are right. The idea that Kopech has maturity issues is also complete and total bunk. He took a protein supplement that a Harvard Med study shows was likely not properly labelled, and punched a guy who had it coming. Unfortunate, yes. An ongoing issue? Again, according to his coaches, who know him best, he gets rave reviews for his makeup. Personally, I hate to see a young ballplayer criticized the way Kopech has been by people who have never even investigated what happened. Please stop. Let's show some respect for our prospects. If you don't have very good proof of your otherwise slanderous allegations, then STFU! Oh come on. If you think he should be called up, fine. I disagree, but I have no interest in arguing the point - hence why I've stayed out of this thread until now. But your last paragraph is garbage. The fact is, he was shelved 50 games for a banned substance and then missed time after breaking his hand on a teammate's face. It could very well be the case that he's a good kid who found himself in a couple of unfortunate situations. Absolutely a possibility. But acting as if that's the only truth, and acting as if it's 'slanderous' to question his makeup in the wake of those events, is just sticking your head in the sand. I think Fenwaythehardway said it best: Kopech's behavior is "a thing" right now. It may turn out to be nothing to worry about in the long run, but at present it's something to monitor. If you think it's nothing, fair. But trying to mute anybody who disagrees with you is silly.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 29, 2016 18:57:53 GMT -5
This is getting embarassing now. Haven't we let this go on long enough? The dude is off the deep end and has no intention or desire to change.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 29, 2016 19:15:39 GMT -5
If you don't have very good proof of your ... allegations, then STFU! He he. Words to live by.
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Post by zimmerdown on Aug 29, 2016 20:12:35 GMT -5
Postseason???!!! Postseason???!!! You're talking about postseason???!!! We're just trying to win a game here!!!! Or however that rant went. Playoffs? You want to talk about playoffs?
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 20:35:05 GMT -5
Of course, he'll call him up. It's how baseball operations work. It's all about winning, and you certainly are not going to leave far and away your best velocity/spin rate pitcher, with two "devastating weapons" according to your own ml coaching staff, a 98 MPH FB and a 91 slider, who's getting rave reviews from your own coaches for his makeup, in the minors while your bullpen blows leads in six games in August, and Erod continues to struggle. Really, you should be fired if you did. Theo and Joe Maddon would have brought him up and saved $50M in prospects they gave up for Chapman, so would Chernoff and Francona and saved a like amount they gave up for Andrew Miller. The reason DDo didn't go chasing Chapman and Miller is he thinks he has Kopech ready if his coaches are right. The idea that Kopech has maturity issues is also complete and total bunk. He took a protein supplement that a Harvard Med study shows was likely not properly labelled, and punched a guy who had it coming. Unfortunate, yes. An ongoing issue? Again, according to his coaches, who know him best, he gets rave reviews for his makeup. Personally, I hate to see a young ballplayer criticized the way Kopech has been by people who have never even investigated what happened. Please stop. Let's show some respect for our prospects. If you don't have very good proof of your otherwise slanderous allegations, then STFU! Oh come on. If you think he should be called up, fine. I disagree, but I have no interest in arguing the point - hence why I've stayed out of this thread until now. But your last paragraph is garbage. The fact is, he was shelved 50 games for a banned substance and then missed time after breaking his hand on a teammate's face. It could very well be the case that he's a good kid who found himself in a couple of unfortunate situations. Absolutely a possibility. But acting as if that's the only truth, and acting as if it's 'slanderous' to question his makeup in the wake of those events, is just sticking your head in the sand. I think Fenwaythehardway said it best: Kopech's behavior is "a thing" right now. It may turn out to be nothing to worry about in the long run, but at present it's something to monitor. If you think it's nothing, fair. But trying to mute anybody who disagrees with you is silly. I prefaced the last paragraph with "Personally", because that is my own personal view. Yes, personally, I would mute anybody who criticizes any Red Sox prospect (not only Kopech) when there is no evidence he did anything wrong. Kopech specifically appealed the ban because he said he had no knowledge of ever having taken the substance. I've already posted the Harvard Med study showing that the banned substance is often improperly labelled in what look like ordinary protein supplements, and unwitting violations are very likely. It's especially unfair when the ballplayer's own coaches give him rave reviews for his makeup.
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Post by bnich on Aug 29, 2016 20:53:28 GMT -5
Yoan Moncada hasn't been called up yet. What makes you think Kopech would get the call. That's a joke. Anyone who thinks he will get called up is out of there mind. I'm finally believing deepjohn has escaped the asylum and should be returned to his padded four wall room.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 29, 2016 21:23:30 GMT -5
Oh come on. If you think he should be called up, fine. I disagree, but I have no interest in arguing the point - hence why I've stayed out of this thread until now. But your last paragraph is garbage. The fact is, he was shelved 50 games for a banned substance and then missed time after breaking his hand on a teammate's face. It could very well be the case that he's a good kid who found himself in a couple of unfortunate situations. Absolutely a possibility. But acting as if that's the only truth, and acting as if it's 'slanderous' to question his makeup in the wake of those events, is just sticking your head in the sand. I think Fenwaythehardway said it best: Kopech's behavior is "a thing" right now. It may turn out to be nothing to worry about in the long run, but at present it's something to monitor. If you think it's nothing, fair. But trying to mute anybody who disagrees with you is silly. I prefaced the last paragraph with "Personally", because that is my own personal view. Yes, personally, I would mute anybody who criticizes any Red Sox prospect (not only Kopech) when there is no evidence he did anything wrong. Kopech specifically appealed the ban because he said he had no knowledge of ever having taken the substance. He punched a teammate in the face. That is doing something wrong.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 29, 2016 21:34:54 GMT -5
I prefaced the last paragraph with "Personally", because that is my own personal view. Yes, personally, I would mute anybody who criticizes any Red Sox prospect (not only Kopech) when there is no evidence he did anything wrong. Kopech specifically appealed the ban because he said he had no knowledge of ever having taken the substance. He punched a teammate in the face. That is doing something wrong. I'm sure you understand that it could have been self-defense, or provocation, or any number of other mitigating circumstances. We have no evidence to say he did anything wrong. Notably, the Red Sox did not take any disciplinary action against Kopech. I haven't been able to find who the other player was. Although he was said to be a very good friend of Kopech's. But Heyman wrote that a scout he talked to said the other fellow had it coming.
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