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Post by alnipper on Jul 15, 2016 11:05:43 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Benetendi 3. Devers 4. Kopech 5. Groome 6. Travis 7. Dubon 8. Johnson 9. Chavis 10. Ockimey 11. Hernandez 12. Chathman 13. basabe 14. Anderson 15. Shawnaryn 16. Light 17. Longhi 18. Martin 19. Raudes 20. Pennington
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Post by thegoo13 on Jul 15, 2016 11:15:22 GMT -5
Big Believer in Pennington as a late inning reliever. Think he will be important in a couple years to the cause. Would personally groom Anderson the same way. Seems FB plays much better in BP for him.
1. Moncada 2. Benni 3. Devers 4. Groome 5. Kopech 6. Travis 7. Chavis 8. Basabe 9. Ockimey 10. Pennington 11. Dubon 12. Johnson 13. Hernandez 14. Chatham 15. Longhi 16. Anderson 17. Raudes 18. Dalbec 19. Ball 20. Light
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Post by ramireja on Jul 15, 2016 11:31:45 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Kopech 4. Devers 5. Groome 6. Travis 7. Johnson 8. Dubon 9. Basabe 10. Chavis 11. Shawaryn 12. Chatham 13. Raudes 14. Hernandez 15. Ockimey 16. Lakins 17. Longhi 18. Light 19. Anderson 20. Martin
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 15, 2016 11:36:26 GMT -5
For now, I'll just do the part that anyone will look at:
1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Kopech 4. Devers 5. Groome
With Kopech and Devers a lot closer to Benintendi than a month ago.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 15, 2016 11:36:35 GMT -5
A lot of talent in our top twenty yet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 15, 2016 11:44:48 GMT -5
A lot of talent in our top twenty yet. I agree, that came out sounding more negative than intended.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 15, 2016 11:47:37 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Devers 4. Kopech 5. Groome
6. Travis 7. Dubon 8. Basabe 9. Ockimey 10. Johnson
11. Hernandez 12. Chavis 13. Chatham 14. Lakins 15. Shawaryn
16. Longhi 17. Light 18. Dalbec 19. Taylor 20. Anderson
Jeez, the system is quite thin after the top 20. And I might be overrating the recent pitching signees (Shawaryn, Anderson, Dalbec if he commits to pitching).
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Post by ramireja on Jul 15, 2016 11:54:23 GMT -5
20 prospects is a fair number though....I imagine most would look 'thin' after 20. I'm pretty happy with our top 20 now.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 15, 2016 11:57:09 GMT -5
20 prospects is a fair number though....I imagine most would look 'thin' after 20. I'm pretty happy with our top 20 now. That's very true, sometimes I forget Soxprospects goes above and beyond with ranking 60 players whereas most publications stick to 20 or 30. And absolutely agreed that the system is very strong at the top, particularly the top 5.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2016 13:11:34 GMT -5
A lot of talent in our top twenty yet. I agree, that came out sounding more negative than intended. Furthermore, it's very unusual for a team to have a former top 20 prospect and a top 50 prospect who have graduated and yet still don't have roles on the MLB team. For all functional purposes, Swihart and Owens are still prospects. (I'm counting Vazquez as supplanting Hanigan in September, if not sooner).
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 15, 2016 14:50:37 GMT -5
I'm moving Ockimey up to 6th, call me crazy. That's my only surprise.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2016 18:47:38 GMT -5
I'll go with:
1) Moncada 2) Benintendi 3) Devers 4) Groome 5) Kopech 6) Travis 7) Ockimey 8) Chavis 9) Johnson 10) Basabe 11) Dubon 12) Light 13) Longhi 14) Hernandez 15) Pennington 16) Shepherd 17) Taylor 18) Martin 19) Raudes 20) Shawayrn
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2016 21:35:44 GMT -5
You can see the top 20 as the site sees it on the front page, but I'll just say that I still think the system has a drop after Kopech right now and a very steep drop after Johnson. It still feels like everyone from 8 down should be at least a couple spots lower.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 17, 2016 22:15:51 GMT -5
You can see the top 20 as the site sees it on the front page, but I'll just say that I still think the system has a drop after Kopech right now and a very steep drop after Johnson. It still feels like everyone from 8 down should be at least a couple spots lower. I personally disagree in regards to Chavis. Not to say he's belongs in with the top 8 per say but I was surprised to see him down at 14 on the recent rankings. There was a small period he struggled directly after coming back from the injury but I believe we are starting to see his bat begin to pick up again all but with a few to many K's. Do we have a recent in person write up or observation on him this season?
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Post by ramireja on Jul 17, 2016 23:00:41 GMT -5
I get that the site rankings are likely reflecting the relative draft position and signing bonuses for Dalbec and Shawaryn, but I'm quite convinced Shawaryn is the better prospect. Both were getting 1st-2nd round love heading into their junior years, but Dalbec slipped after hitting .266 w/ a K-rate over 30% and only 6 HR. Shawaryn slipped despite a WHIP of 0.96 and nearly a K per inning. In my opinion similar ceilings but a higher floor for Shawaryn.
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Post by gator39 on Jul 17, 2016 23:59:00 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Devers 4. Kopech 5. Groome 6. Travis 7. Johnson 8. Hernandez 9. Basabe 10. Ockimey 11. Dubon 12. Longhi 13. Raudes 14. Chavis 15. Chatham 16. Martin 17. Shepherd 18. Light 19. Anderson 20. Brentz
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Post by huskies15 on Jul 18, 2016 11:23:24 GMT -5
The depth of the system stands to take a hit with no International Signings for a year or two. Hopefully this year's draft hits on a couple of guys.
1. Moncada 2. Devers 3. Benintendi 4. Kopech 5. Groome 6. Travis 7. Johnson 8. Basabe 9. Ockimey 10. Dubon 11. Hernandez 12. Chavis 13. Longhi 14. Raudes 15. Chatham 16. Dalbec 17. Light 18. Pennington 19. Shawaryn 20. Martin
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 18, 2016 12:52:11 GMT -5
You can see the top 20 as the site sees it on the front page, but I'll just say that I still think the system has a drop after Kopech right now and a very steep drop after Johnson. It still feels like everyone from 8 down should be at least a couple spots lower. What happened to the thread showing the prospects that fell off the top 60 and the reasoning behind the new ratings?
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 18, 2016 13:11:51 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Travis - Crazy I know! I am impressed by his consistency and think his lack of upside is being overrated. In the MLB today positional expectations on offense are muddier than ever and he's hanging with much older players in Pawtucket. His bat speed looks great and the eye appears to be there. 4. Devers 5. Kopech - Closer to Devers in my mind then one would think. I'm cooler on Devers than most (not being an actual scout probably has to do with this as it seems like he scouts very impressively at the plate) and I am impressed by the rate at which Kopech, knucklehead status aside, has matured physically and in terms of his delivery. 6. Groome 7. Johnson 8. Dubon - Very advanced hitter with defensive value, waiting for the other shoe to drop otherwise I'd rate him higher than Johnson (who is a pretty solid pitcher and hasn't died) 9. Chavis 10. Basabe 11. Raudes - Because its hard to argue with his results and I want to see that kung-fu looking delivery in the big leagues. 12. Hernandez - I love his production on paper, and I like the hustle he brings. But his lack of plate discipline and discomfort playing at 2B/3B are both concerning. I'm not convinced he can maintain his see ball-hit ball in the bigs.
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Post by jmei on Jul 18, 2016 13:23:26 GMT -5
You can see the top 20 as the site sees it on the front page, but I'll just say that I still think the system has a drop after Kopech right now and a very steep drop after Johnson. It still feels like everyone from 8 down should be at least a couple spots lower. What happened to the thread showing the prospects that fell off the top 60 and the reasoning behind the new ratings? It's right here: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/3254/soxprospects-rankings-discussion?page=4
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Post by soxjim on Aug 27, 2016 10:18:16 GMT -5
Is Dubon showing more than a utility player?
Or is he "Brock Holt?" - a high level utility player? If he could be super sub - would be excellent.
Or are the current numbers just a flash?
What is the difference between Dubon and Marrero going forward?
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 27, 2016 10:46:03 GMT -5
Is Dubon showing more than a utility player? Or is he "Brock Holt?" - a high level utility player? If he could be super sub - would be excellent. Or are the current numbers just a flash? What is the difference between Dubon and Marrero going forward? Day and night. At 26, with .192 BA, there doesn't appear to be much upside to Marrero, considering he is a .245 lifetime in his six year minor league career. It could be said that he's having an exceptionally bad year at the plate, but I see a good-glove utility role for his future. Dubon, OTOH, has been a consistently good hitter in his brief career at several levels.He may or may not be able to put his latest season's numbers up going forward, but at age 22, threre's a lot of promise that he will contribute consistently.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 27, 2016 11:11:40 GMT -5
Is Dubon showing more than a utility player? Or is he "Brock Holt?" - a high level utility player? If he could be super sub - would be excellent. Or are the current numbers just a flash? What is the difference between Dubon and Marrero going forward? Day and night. At 26, with .192 BA, there doesn't appear to be much upside to Marrero, considering he is a .245 lifetime in his six year minor league career. It could be said that he's having an exceptionally bad year at the plate, but I see a good-glove utility role for his future. Dubon, OTOH, has been a consistently good hitter in his brief career at several levels.He may or may not be able to put his latest season's numbers up going forward, but at age 22, threre's a lot of promise that he will contribute consistently. Dubon's Davenport Peak Translations: .213 (R) .249 (A-) .257 (low-A / high-A) .272 before last night (high-A / AA) That's a nice trend. He does not appear to have the glove to play SS, based on BP's FRAA (and Davenport's numbers as well). However, the bat right now (looking at the last 3 years, weighting 3-2-1 and hence assuming some regression rather than further improvement) plays as a starting 2B.
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Post by deepjohn on Aug 27, 2016 12:43:43 GMT -5
For now, I'll just do the part that anyone will look at: 1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Kopech 4. Devers 5. Groome With Kopech and Devers a lot closer to Benintendi than a month ago. I agree, except I think Kopech/Devers have even higher ceilings than Benny's very, very high ceiling. I think Devers could be the next Papi, with stellar defense, very soon. And Kopech the next Syndergaard, now. So it would go: 1/2. Kopech/Devers (tied) 3. Benny 4. Moncada At the moment, I'm forced to worry about Moncada's righty swing. It's still too small of a sample, but it's 17 Ks in 31 ABs, and a lot less power (.160 ISO). It was 12 Ks out of 20, so the current 5 Ks out of 11 is not really trending better yet. It's weird because Moncada throws right, so I wonder if his vision in his left eye is weak. Obviously, as long as Moncada has this risk of a weak righty swing (and I hope with each game that it turns around any day now), then he doesn't have the ceiling of Kopech, Devers and Benny.
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Post by cto94 on Aug 27, 2016 13:13:59 GMT -5
For now, I'll just do the part that anyone will look at: 1. Moncada 2. Benintendi 3. Kopech 4. Devers 5. Groome With Kopech and Devers a lot closer to Benintendi than a month ago. I agree, except I think Kopech/Devers have even higher ceilings than Benny's very, very high ceiling. I think Devers could be the next Papi, with stellar defense, very soon. And Kopech the next Syndergaard, now. So it would go: 1/2. Kopech/Devers (tied) 3. Benny 4. Moncada At the moment, I'm forced to worry about Moncada's righty swing. It's still too small of a sample, but it's 17 Ks in 31 ABs, and a lot less power (.160 ISO). It was 12 Ks out of 20, so the current 5 Ks out of 11 is not really trending better yet. It's weird because Moncada throws right, so I wonder if his vision in his left eye is weak. Obviously, as long as Moncada has this risk of a weak righty swing (and I hope with each game that it turns around any day now), then he doesn't have the ceiling of Kopech, Devers and Benny. .160 iso is still pretty solid for a guy with his tools whose obviously a naturally left handed hitter- seems more than a little ridiculous to rank Moncada 4th however much you may like to take the contrarian view. It's relatively clear cut that if you want to evaluate all of these guys by ceiling, Moncada probably has the highest one- he has the tools to potentially be a guy who can hit .300 with high walk rates, power, speed and defense. The fact that right now, Moncada is struggling against lefties (and he still has a higher iso against them than Devers for what it's worth) doesn't diminish his ceiling- it makes him slightly less likely to reach his absolute peak projection maybe. but suggesting that his ceiling is lower than any of those three except maybe Kopech would strike me as just flat wrong, and when you consider that he's performing very well overall and is pretty age-advanced, I don't see how you can really put him anywhere but 1
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