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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 29, 2016 13:54:39 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m1 minute ago Sources who have spoken with #Nats believe they would trade Lucas Giolito to #Yankees for Andrew Miller, straight up. I'm starting to really hate this trade deadline. Yankees would say no
DDom has his hand up in the back of the room. "I'll give you Kimbrel (and a sweetener) straight up for Giolito".
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 29, 2016 13:55:47 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m1 minute ago Sources who have spoken with #Nats believe they would trade Lucas Giolito to #Yankees for Andrew Miller, straight up. I'm starting to really hate this trade deadline. Okay, now Jon's just trolling. Right?
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Post by taftreign on Jul 29, 2016 13:57:43 GMT -5
DDom has his hand up in the back of the room. "I'll give you Kimbrel (and a sweetener) straight up for Giolito". I'll second this. I give up Kimbrel this season instead of next if I could get Giolito in our rotation as our 5th. We can just trade for another cheaper reliever who costs less in prospects. Or as said earlier Boston can just plug Giolito into the pen for the playoff run and start him next season. Edit. Not sure if Nationals would see Kimbrel the same as Miller though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2016 14:43:28 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 29, 2016 14:56:15 GMT -5
DDom has his hand up in the back of the room. "I'll give you Kimbrel (and a sweetener) straight up for Giolito". That would be glorious.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2016 14:59:29 GMT -5
“@jonheyman: orioles would have had to give up gausman to get pmoeranz. can see why they said no. still looking for SP.”
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2016 15:02:50 GMT -5
DDom has his hand up in the back of the room. "I'll give you Kimbrel (and a sweetener) straight up for Giolito". That would be glorious. Don't think it's on the table, but I'd drive Kimbrel to the airport for a potential young ace. Young aces are more valuable than good closers.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2016 15:20:44 GMT -5
If I'm running an organization I'm going out of my way to sign every top flight RP just so I can trade them at the deadline. This is getting ridiculous. If I'm the White Sox and have to over-pay a guy 15 million a season on short years and have to eat 5 million a year, I do it in a heart beat just to get prospects like Giolito back in return.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 29, 2016 16:20:45 GMT -5
And none of them can hit. That's why. what would your proposed trade for lucroy? Swihart plus something not significant. If they include a reliever I'd consider Kopech as well.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 29, 2016 17:37:31 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. And our very own general led the charge. EDIT: Now, if what he had in mind all along was to drive up the prices and then trade Kimbrel for Giolito, I will consider him a genius and promise to never ever speak a bad word about him.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 29, 2016 17:54:02 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. And our very own general led the charge. EDIT: Now, if what he had in mind all along was to drive up the prices and then trade Kimbrel for Giolito, I will consider him a genius and promise to never ever speak a bad word about him. And in the same notion, if Cashman had a firm offer of Giolito for Miller, and turned it down so that he can drive the price up to get more, then he's a genius. But if he had an offer of Giolito for Miller and turned it down, and then ended up with something less, then he should be fired. I don't understand why the Nationals would offer Giolito for Miller and why the Yankees would turn it down.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 29, 2016 19:28:35 GMT -5
And in the same notion, if Cashman had a firm offer of Giolito for Miller, and turned it down so that he can drive the price up to get more, then he's a genius. But if he had an offer of Giolito for Miller and turned it down, and then ended up with something less, then he should be fired. I don't understand why the Nationals would offer Giolito for Miller and why the Yankees would turn it down. If the Nationals are offering Giolito for Miller today, why wouldn't they offer it on Monday? There's no reason to trade him before then.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2016 19:35:33 GMT -5
And in the same notion, if Cashman had a firm offer of Giolito for Miller, and turned it down so that he can drive the price up to get more, then he's a genius. But if he had an offer of Giolito for Miller and turned it down, and then ended up with something less, then he should be fired. I don't understand why the Nationals would offer Giolito for Miller and why the Yankees would turn it down. If the Nationals are offering Giolito for Miller today, why wouldn't they offer it on Monday? There's no reason to trade him before then. If they trade for somebody else and no longer want Miller.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 29, 2016 19:38:28 GMT -5
If they trade for somebody else and no longer want Miller. True, but then they go into the offseason with one of the best relievers in baseball available for trade, with the going rate being the Chapman haul or a Giolito-level prospect. Either way they're in a good place.
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Post by jdb on Jul 29, 2016 20:01:55 GMT -5
I'm calling BS on this Miller rumor. If Giolito was on the table Cashman would have pulled the trigger by now. I'm guessing this is NY sources telling Heyman/Morosi this hoping offers increase.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2016 20:19:34 GMT -5
I'm calling BS on this Miller rumor. If Giolito was on the table Cashman would have pulled the trigger by now. I'm guessing this is NY sources telling Heyman/Morosi this hoping offers increase. Bowden is reporting that it's not true and Nationals never offered him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2016 20:21:49 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. And our very own general led the charge. EDIT: Now, if what he had in mind all along was to drive up the prices and then trade Kimbrel for Giolito, I will consider him a genius and promise to never ever speak a bad word about him. Theo blew open the market by giving same type of deal DD paid for 3 years of Kimbrel for a little over two months of Chapman.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2016 20:34:37 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. And our very own general led the charge. EDIT: Now, if what he had in mind all along was to drive up the prices and then trade Kimbrel for Giolito, I will consider him a genius and promise to never ever speak a bad word about him. Don't forget what the Astros gave up to acquire Giles. I think that was more than the Sox gave up. The Phillies are already getting the benefit of a good young pitcher and if Appel develops...meanwhile, Giles has been very shaky and he's not even closing for Houston.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 29, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5
If the Nationals are offering Giolito for Miller today, why wouldn't they offer it on Monday? There's no reason to trade him before then. If they trade for somebody else and no longer want Miller. Or if Miller gets injured. Believe me, as a Red Sox fan, a lot of things can go wrong. That's why I'd jump at that first opportunity instead of trying to beat around the bush for more. Edit: Or, scenario #3, they could offer Giolito and then the person responsible for the offer can get fired and the Nationals can realize what they are doing.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 29, 2016 21:31:40 GMT -5
what would your proposed trade for lucroy? Swihart plus something not significant. If they include a reliever I'd consider Kopech as well. Catching position is the least concerning on this team. Need at least 2 relievers
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2016 21:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 29, 2016 21:39:27 GMT -5
Catching position is the least concerning on this team. Did I phrase that right? Why Another Catcher?
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 29, 2016 21:55:40 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. Direct result of KC winning the WS on the back of their bullpen. Some GM, think it was Theo, who said in the off-season that the mistake teams make is trying to replicate the same formula that the previous WS series used to win it all.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jul 29, 2016 22:35:35 GMT -5
Don't believe nats would give up giolito for miller and I don't believe yanks would turn that down if they did.
I'd give Kimberl for Giolito and cry after the deal was made with tears of joy because he may be the next big young ace.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 29, 2016 22:47:56 GMT -5
Jiminy. The industry has lost it's damn mind with regard to reliever valuation. Direct result of KC winning the WS on the back of their bullpen. Some GM, think it was Theo, who said in the off-season that the mistake teams make is trying to replicate the same formula that the previous WS series used to win it all. Are teams really over valuing late inning relievers? Maybe the market is finally adjusting to the relievers true worth.
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