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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2016 16:47:24 GMT -5
Catching is literally their weakest position. By far. Is it a fatal flaw? No, but that's not a reason to not acquire a massive upgrade if the price is reasonable. Sandy Leon has 1.6 fWAR in 29 games. How weak is it really? Well he's pretty much bound to crash, regressing to the mean. His hard contact % isn't anything special, nor is his K/BB, and I just don't see him even as an average hitter going forward.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2016 16:49:54 GMT -5
The relief market is just weird. Cubs trade the world for a rental in Chapman, Nationals don't trade much for a rental in Melancon, who's been nearly? as good over the last 18 months. Have to think Papelbon is on the move, can't see him being an 8th inning guy, but who knows. I'd call it an overreaction for the Nats, but they didn't give up much The Rivero is a good reliever. He's been unlucky this year and could stand to reduce his walks, but he's got a similar set of pitches as Andrew Miller did when he began to break out in the pen, and is one of the better young lefty relievers in baseball. In a year he could be pretty close to as good as Melancon with much more control. Smart move by PIT.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 30, 2016 16:53:10 GMT -5
Benny not in the lineup.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2016 17:02:22 GMT -5
Sandy Leon has 1.6 fWAR in 29 games. How weak is it really? Well he's pretty much bound to crash, regressing to the mean. His hard contact % isn't anything special, nor is his K/BB, and I just don't see him even as an average hitter going forward. He has a long way to crash and still be pretty good. I'm not huge on the contact hardness stats. But I think a lot of the improvement is real and he looks like he can hit better than we hoped Vazquez would. And their defense is pretty close. I know he's not the 8 win player that he's on pace for, but I think he could easily be a 3 win catcher without framing. He's right at that age where catchers figure it all out. There's no way in hell that I'd pay a lot for Lucroy when he only has year left of control and about to get a McCann contract. What if Lucroy starts playing like Russell Martin this year in the next year or two? Catcher age quickly.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2016 17:04:13 GMT -5
I'm guessing normal day off for Benintendi
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 30, 2016 17:05:44 GMT -5
Catching is literally their weakest position. By far. Is it a fatal flaw? No, but that's not a reason to not acquire a massive upgrade if the price is reasonable. Sandy Leon has 1.6 fWAR in 29 games. How weak is it really? We wouldn't be trading for Lucroy to re-play the previous 29 games. If you want to declare a guy who's not a prospect and has been borderline replacement level as suddenly being a 3 WAR player because of a month hot streak, god bless you, and I hope you're right.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2016 17:11:09 GMT -5
Sandy Leon has 1.6 fWAR in 29 games. How weak is it really? We wouldn't be trading for Lucroy to re-play the previous 29 games. If you want to declare a guy who's not a prospect and has been borderline replacement level as suddenly being a 3 WAR player because of a month hot streak, god bless you, and I hope you're right. I was also on the side of 4 WAR floor for JBJ, who already has 4.0 fWAR.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 17:33:27 GMT -5
I'm guessing normal day off for Benintendi I think they have been alternating the days off. I believe Dubon was off last night.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 17:39:30 GMT -5
I'm guessing normal day off for Benintendi Looks like off day for CV as well as Butler is catching.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 30, 2016 17:43:18 GMT -5
Let's hope Dombroski took a long weekend trip to Disneyland and lost his phone on Splash Mountain.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 30, 2016 19:05:19 GMT -5
Catching is literally their weakest position. By far. Is it a fatal flaw? No, but that's not a reason to not acquire a massive upgrade if the price is reasonable. Sandy Leon has 1.6 fWAR in 29 games. How weak is it really? I like Leon, but I've been expecting him to come back down to earth for a while now. If it never happens, I'll be doing backflips. If it happens in teh very near future, it could hurt. I'm still not in love with the idea of acquiring any other catcher at what the cost would be.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 30, 2016 19:10:11 GMT -5
Looks like Matt Kemp is going to the.....Braves? They are swapping bad contracts (Matt Kemp for Hector Olivera) with some money coming over from San Diego. I have to say that the Braves are pretty crafty.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 30, 2016 19:16:30 GMT -5
Looks like Matt Kemp is going to the.....Braves? They are swapping bad contracts (Matt Kemp for Hector Olivera) with some money coming over from San Diego. I have to say that the Braves are pretty crafty. Weird trade. I'm not sure I fully get it.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 30, 2016 19:19:55 GMT -5
Wade Davis flying back to KC for an MRI on his elbow
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 30, 2016 19:23:04 GMT -5
Looks like Matt Kemp is going to the.....Braves? They are swapping bad contracts (Matt Kemp for Hector Olivera) with some money coming over from San Diego. I have to say that the Braves are pretty crafty. Weird trade. I'm not sure I fully get it. My guess is that San Diego gets out of a long term commitment and saves some money, while also getting rid of a player that is underperforming, and overrated. The bad contract they are receiving can just be DFA'd, so San Diego is essentially burning $28M plus sending some money to Atlanta. With a lot of the contracts they've gotten rid of through the fire sales, they have the room to fit in that mistake. For Atlanta, they turn a useless player with domestic violence baggage into a former star player of the same age, now at a reasonable commitment (since LAD is paying some money and SD is paying some money). Atlanta could use veterans and a star name may help sell tickets. Heck, Kemp may even be more tradeable down the road should Atlanta want to because there is so much less money owed to him.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 20:18:24 GMT -5
See Devers has been replaced by Sermo. The games a blowout probably for rest.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 30, 2016 20:31:41 GMT -5
“@ken_Rosenthal: Blanketing of #RedSox’s system by #WhiteSox was first mentioned by @pgammo. Some believe CWS simply laying groundwork for off-season trade.” Except that the CWS just happened to be blanketing the system in the last few days of July. If they were laying the groundwork for an off-season trade they'd have plenty of time to scout the system over the next month.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2016 20:32:50 GMT -5
They could also be scouting for a Robertson trade.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 30, 2016 22:13:45 GMT -5
I'm guessing normal day off for Benintendi B/B+ trolling by Febles. To get an A+, he'd need to take him out in the middle of an inning and instruct him to give hugs.
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Post by sincitysoxfan on Jul 30, 2016 22:44:25 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point, I would not sell off any of the top 5 for anyone. This team just doesn't have that championship fight in them. I mean, it comes and goes;almost bi-polar like in how they play. Fire Farrell and begin anew in the off season, IMO.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 30, 2016 22:51:38 GMT -5
Lucroy to the Indians per Rosenthal
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 30, 2016 23:16:02 GMT -5
As of now, looks like the Brewers get 4 prospects. Catcher Francisco Mejia (ranked #6 on MLB.com's top Cleveland prospects), SS Yu-Cheng Chang (#12), OF Greg Allen (#22), and either LHP Justus Sheffield (#5) or RHP Triston McKenzie (#9).
I like that Milwaukee got a diverse portfolio of seemingly decent prospects, but Cleveland has to be happy with not giving up Frazier, Zimmer, or Aiken.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2016 23:38:37 GMT -5
As of now, looks like the Brewers get 4 prospects. Catcher Francisco Mejia (ranked #6 on MLB.com's top Cleveland prospects), SS Yu-Cheng Chang (#12), OF Greg Allen (#22), and either LHP Justus Sheffield (#5) or RHP Triston McKenzie (#9). I like that Milwaukee got a diverse portfolio of seemingly decent prospects, but Cleveland has to be happy with not giving up Frazier, Zimmer, or Aiken. I agree. There is definitely upside to the players going to Milwaukee but Cleveland keeps it's prime prospects and gets a catcher upgrading the leagues worst offensive production from the position while getting a full year next season at $5.25 mil. This is the type of deal that should show real improvement in the win column for a potential and likely playoff team. Now if Lucroy were a pitcher he'd have taken at least two of the Frazier, Zimmer, Aiken group in this market.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 31, 2016 0:27:37 GMT -5
Any of the experts want to try a comparable Red Sox package?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 31, 2016 0:55:28 GMT -5
I was just going to ask that. I know prospect rankings with different teams are apples and oranges, just curious what our package would look like.
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