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7/28-7/31 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 30, 2016 13:58:34 GMT -5
In double play situations league average is hitting into them 11% of the time, Pedroia is at 20%, 7th worst rate in MLB behind Yunel Escobar, Andrelton Simmons, Jose Bautista, J.J. Hardy, Billy Butler, and Elvis Andrus. It doesnt help that he is so slow as well. Last night when he scored on Bogaerts double he was rounding third base at the same time Trout picked the ball off the wall and I thought he was gonna get thrown out. Let's not forget. None of those players nor Pedroia is particularly slow at all, as much as make great contact , especially on the ground to the right side. Edit for Billy Butler is slow as hell, my bad
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 30, 2016 14:06:27 GMT -5
Can you get suspended for a deflated basketball?
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2016 14:44:43 GMT -5
Some things that drive high double-play rate: lot of baserunners on in front of him, high ground ball rate, predictable ground ball distribution (especially RHH who pull a lot of their ground balls), poor speed to first, makes a lot of contact (more balls in play). Pedroia checks all the boxes. Still a very good player having a very good and underrated year (on pace for close to five wins, which would be his best year since 2013). But maybe give Betts or Holt the green light to steal in front of him more often.
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2016 14:50:22 GMT -5
By the way, Pedroia is sneakily building a HOF case, especially if voters become more sabermetrically oriented as time goes on. He doesn't quite have an elite peak, but he's got hardware and that gritty reputation that makes for an easy narrative. He needs to age well (another 15 or 20 WAR or so), but he's got a shot.
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 30, 2016 15:06:19 GMT -5
Yeah I would tell Betts to stay put until he learns how to read a pitchers delivery.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2016 15:11:40 GMT -5
Yeah I would tell Betts to stay put until he learns how to read a pitchers delivery. I think that might be recency bias. He's 17/20 for steals and one of the best baserunners in baseball.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 30, 2016 15:37:34 GMT -5
By the way, Pedroia is sneakily building a HOF case, especially if voters become more sabermetrically oriented as time goes on. He doesn't quite have an elite peak, but he's got hardware and that gritty reputation that makes for an easy narrative. He needs to age well (another 15 or 20 WAR or so), but he's got a shot. He definitely has a shot. By b-Ref, he's at 48.5 WAR and a quick look at 2B in the HOF finds they range from Bill Mazeroski (who I think we all agree should get into the HOF by paying his $20 at the door like the rest of us) at 36.2 to Rogers Hornsby at 127. With another, let's say, three solid years and then a decent decline phase Pedroia would pass Tony Lazzeri, 49.9; Bobby Doerr, 51.2; Billy Herman, 54.7; Joe Gordon, 57.1 in only 11 seasons; Craig Biggio, 65.1 (not all at 2B, of course); and maybe even Roberto Alomar, who had 66.8. Frankie Frisch, at 70.4, might be just out of reach. He's already ahead of Johnny Evers and Red Schoendienst. By the time DP is eligible, more writers will be looking at stats like WAR and RC-plus, but having gaudy, cumulative traditional stats will always be a factor. That's where missing most of the 2010 season could hurt him. He has 1,605 hits and can be reasonably expected to get up to what, 2,400 or so? He'll be such a close call that the 100 or so missing hits from 2010 could make a difference for some writers when they have to decide whether to check the box next to DP's name. Another ring would help. Let's get one for him and Papi this year and help them both get into Cooperstown.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 30, 2016 15:55:00 GMT -5
Considering his position combined with the stats above, Pedroia would seem to absolutely have a reasonable shot at Cooperstown if he maintains this level of production for another few years. I know one thing: he's my type of ball player. The guy keeps his mouth shut, plays his rear off, and doesn't throw anybody under the bus. He's a true throwback.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 30, 2016 16:09:00 GMT -5
By the way, Pedroia is sneakily building a HOF case, especially if voters become more sabermetrically oriented as time goes on. He doesn't quite have an elite peak, but he's got hardware and that gritty reputation that makes for an easy narrative. He needs to age well (another 15 or 20 WAR or so), but he's got a shot. The rings and MVP don't hurt either.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 30, 2016 16:20:04 GMT -5
By the way, Pedroia is sneakily building a HOF case, especially if voters become more sabermetrically oriented as time goes on. He doesn't quite have an elite peak, but he's got hardware and that gritty reputation that makes for an easy narrative. He needs to age well (another 15 or 20 WAR or so), but he's got a shot. The rings and MVP don't hurt either. That, too. Without looking it up (I'm on the Tito's), there probably haven't been too many 2B win the MVP in modern baseball.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 30, 2016 16:36:32 GMT -5
By the way, Pedroia is sneakily building a HOF case, especially if voters become more sabermetrically oriented as time goes on. He doesn't quite have an elite peak, but he's got hardware and that gritty reputation that makes for an easy narrative. He needs to age well (another 15 or 20 WAR or so), but he's got a shot. He definitely has a shot. By b-Ref, he's at 48.5 WAR and a quick look at 2B in the HOF finds they range from Bill Mazeroski (who I think we all agree should get into the HOF by paying his $20 at the door like the rest of us) at 36.2 to Rogers Hornsby at 127. With another, let's say, three solid years and then a decent decline phase Pedroia would pass Tony Lazzeri, 49.9; Bobby Doerr, 51.2; Billy Herman, 54.7; Joe Gordon, 57.1 in only 11 seasons; Craig Biggio, 65.1 (not all at 2B, of course); and maybe even Roberto Alomar, who had 66.8. Frankie Frisch, at 70.4, might be just out of reach. He's already ahead of Johnny Evers and Red Schoendienst. By the time DP is eligible, more writers will be looking at stats like WAR and RC-plus, but having gaudy, cumulative traditional stats will always be a factor. That's where missing most of the 2010 season could hurt him. He has 1,605 hits and can be reasonably expected to get up to what, 2,400 or so? He'll be such a close call that the 100 or so missing hits from 2010 could make a difference for some writers when they have to decide whether to check the box next to DP's name. Another ring would help. Let's get one for him and Papi this year and help them both get into Cooperstown. I forgot Ryne Sandberg. He had 67.5 b-Ref WAR. If Pedroia can put up another 1.5 this year, that puts him at 50. Three more decent years of about 4 - 4.5 each gets him past 60 and within range of Robbie and Ryno.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 30, 2016 17:07:20 GMT -5
... let's be happy we got the win ... How about you do you?
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Post by telluricrook on Jul 30, 2016 17:58:22 GMT -5
Yeah I would tell Betts to stay put until he learns how to read a pitchers delivery. I think that might be recency bias. He's 17/20 for steals and one of the best baserunners in baseball. 17/20 is low considering his speed and the amount of times he has gotten on first base this season. If you compared to all the other leaders in steals it indicates stealing is not really his thing. He'll be good at many other things just not that.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 30, 2016 18:11:03 GMT -5
He's had 85% success. That's plenty good.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 30, 2016 18:20:27 GMT -5
I think that might be recency bias. He's 17/20 for steals and one of the best baserunners in baseball. 17/20 is low considering his speed and the amount of times he has gotten on first base this season. If you compared to all the other leaders in steals it indicates stealing is not really his thing. He'll be good at many other things just not that. You said he needs to be better at reading pitchers - an 85% success rate indicates he's good at that. He doesn't steal much because the Red Sox don't run much.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2016 19:40:35 GMT -5
I think that might be recency bias. He's 17/20 for steals and one of the best baserunners in baseball. 17/20 is low considering his speed and the amount of times he has gotten on first base this season. If you compared to all the other leaders in steals it indicates stealing is not really his thing. He'll be good at many other things just not that. Ok well come up with a better baserunning metric than the ones currently available, and prove the whole world wrong.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 30, 2016 20:19:25 GMT -5
Why does Boras need to stand in his box right behind home plate? It is only slightly less annoying than West umpiring.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2016 20:54:20 GMT -5
It's fun watching Pomeranz throw his curveball.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 21:09:56 GMT -5
It's fun watching Pomeranz throw his curveball. Not so much fun watching Brentz strikeout twice with the bases loaded. And now, the Angels take the lead.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2016 21:20:53 GMT -5
So what wRC+ do people expect Sandy Leon to be at over the next 3 seasons?
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Post by dcsoxfan on Jul 30, 2016 21:22:01 GMT -5
So does regression to the mean also apply to GM's or just players?
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Post by jmei on Jul 30, 2016 21:22:40 GMT -5
There's no way that Bryce Brentz is a better overall baseball player than Rusney Castillo. I understand luxury tax issues play into it, but they're not saving enough to make it worth putting a significantly worse player out there.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 21:33:56 GMT -5
Wow. Leaving 8 on base in four innings.
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Post by sierram363 on Jul 30, 2016 21:36:33 GMT -5
This smells like another frustrating loss
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2016 21:39:42 GMT -5
Playing the infield in. Shouldn't have to with the runners they've had on base tonight.
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