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Blake Swihart going to get a second opinion on his ankle
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2016 19:17:25 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Blake Swihart going to get a second opinion on his ankle from a specialist. Odds of him returning tending way down.”
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Post by bosox on Aug 4, 2016 19:51:23 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Blake Swihart going to get a second opinion on his ankle from a specialist. Odds of him returning tending way down.” Probably Dr. Anderson in Charlotte. Excellent doctor and same one Jeter used as well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 5, 2016 5:53:01 GMT -5
This is the biggest blow to the season for me so far.
Was hoping he'd come back and catch some.
Now we all will have to wait a year. This hurts.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 5, 2016 8:57:19 GMT -5
Second straight year that the team has converted a non-outfielder into a left fielder and watched an injury derail their season.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 9:53:09 GMT -5
It really bugs me the way Swihart was handled this year. He should have remained the catcher. Sending him down for an obviously not ready Vazquez was just poor judgement in my mind. He had no business playing LF this year.
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 5, 2016 10:27:45 GMT -5
This whole situation bothers me. Blake deserved better.
Get healthy kid.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 5, 2016 10:35:57 GMT -5
I don't know who is making these decisions Dombrowski or Farrell, but this plus Benintendi being called up to start one game out of five to get platooned by Bryce Freaking Brentz is incompetence on both parties. This and a numerous other things.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Aug 5, 2016 11:16:54 GMT -5
Also the lost development time throws him back. Even if he's good in March, he'll need a chunk of next year to get acclimated back to the catcher position. With Swihart, Johnson, Travis & to an extent Kopech, they lost some valuable time this year.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 11:49:37 GMT -5
Also the lost development time throws him back. Even if he's good in March, he'll need a chunk of next year to get acclimated back to the catcher position. With Swihart, Johnson, Travis & to an extent Kopech, they lost some valuable time this year. I hope for Blake's sake he is traded this offseason. Who knows if they will put him back at catcher, it wouldn't surprise me if they have him in AAA playing OF again. They sent him down for Vazquez who wasn't even ready at the time. One would think Vazquez should be back to 100 percent next year and they seemingly already made the choice this season that Vazquez was their catcher of the future.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 5, 2016 13:01:27 GMT -5
Also the lost development time throws him back. Even if he's good in March, he'll need a chunk of next year to get acclimated back to the catcher position. With Swihart, Johnson, Travis & to an extent Kopech, they lost some valuable time this year. I hope for Blake's sake he is traded this offseason. Who knows if they will put him back at catcher, it wouldn't surprise me if they have him in AAA playing OF again. They sent him down for Vazquez who wasn't even ready at the time. One would think Vazquez should be back to 100 percent next year and they seemingly already made the choice this season that Vazquez was their catcher of the future. I think, at the very least, he showed he can play the OF pastably. If we are to assume Benintendi is the left fielder for 2017, they almost have to send him back to catcher or risk crushing his value. Hopefully either Swihart or Vazquez can claim the major league catcher spot, so the other one can resume development in Pawtucket.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 13:47:10 GMT -5
I hope for Blake's sake he is traded this offseason. Who knows if they will put him back at catcher, it wouldn't surprise me if they have him in AAA playing OF again. They sent him down for Vazquez who wasn't even ready at the time. One would think Vazquez should be back to 100 percent next year and they seemingly already made the choice this season that Vazquez was their catcher of the future. I think, at the very least, he showed he can play the OF pastably. If we are to assume Benintendi is the left fielder for 2017, they almost have to send him back to catcher or risk crushing his value. Hopefully either Swihart or Vazquez can claim the major league catcher spot, so the other one can resume development in Pawtucket. I agree that he can probably be a major league average LF possibly with seasons of slightly above average production but in my mind it would be a disservice to his career. I believe he still has the potential to be an above average catcher with potential for years of all-star caliber production for a catcher. If the Sox do not want to put him back at catcher I believe the best thing would be to trade him to a team that will allow him to catch.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 5, 2016 14:24:31 GMT -5
What happend? Last I heard he was close to going on rehab assignment.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 5, 2016 18:33:18 GMT -5
I hope for Blake's sake he is traded this offseason. Who knows if they will put him back at catcher, it wouldn't surprise me if they have him in AAA playing OF again. They sent him down for Vazquez who wasn't even ready at the time. One would think Vazquez should be back to 100 percent next year and they seemingly already made the choice this season that Vazquez was their catcher of the future. I think, at the very least, he showed he can play the OF pastably. If we are to assume Benintendi is the left fielder for 2017, they almost have to send him back to catcher or risk crushing his value. Hopefully either Swihart or Vazquez can claim the major league catcher spot, so the other one can resume development in Pawtucket. Vazquez is out of options. He and Leon will be the catching tandem next year. Trading Swihart now would make no sense two different ways -- all we really need for next year is a bullpen arm or two, and Swihart's trade value is at a nadir. They'll have him catch regularly for Pawtucket, and there's a very good chance he'll re-establish himself as a potential All-Star catcher. In which case he's both terrific insurance against an MLB injury (or Leon turning back into a pumpkin), and a potential trade chip at the deadline or next winter.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 5, 2016 20:04:50 GMT -5
You would think the Red Sox would've learned about messing with a top talent after the Bogaerts debacle a few years back, but apparently I was being too optimistic. It's one thing if they switched Swihart to LF in late August or September because they were completely out of options for the stretch run, but it was a foolish move to make so early.
Let's hope he can bounce back next year like Xander was able to.
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Post by dnfl333 on Aug 5, 2016 20:25:29 GMT -5
Cherington was thought to be in charge of the XB watch in 13. Cherington is gone, but the same Player Development personel are still in place.
Far as Swihart, I'll say again, the Stooges they have in charge of Minor League development must go. Baird, Crockett, Abraham, who have not been able to develop any consistent pitching development and for all we know are making suggestions to upper management
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 5, 2016 22:15:13 GMT -5
I agree that with the way things went at the catcher position, moving Swihart to outfield was not the right move, however at the time the move was made it sure didn't seem like a mistake, before Swihart got hurt he was heating up offensively and playing an excellent LF. I don't think anyone can say that switching positions got Swihart hurt, if anything switching from catcher to outfield there should have been less chance of injury.
I feel like more than anything the mistake that was made was in evaluating Vazquez' readiness. I don't think anyone thought Vazquez was going to hit as well as Swihart, but I do think that the Sox thought they would get close to the same performance level defensively that they did in 2014, in not going to dive into defensive metrics, pitch framing data, etc... but the eye test told me that the impact of Vazquez' defense at catcher was not near the level it was in 2014.
I would really like to see Swihart be the Red Sox #1 catcher in the next year or two, I supported him moving to the outfield, but now with Benintendi called up and seeming to have a real solid chance to stick and be the Sox LF for years to come, I'd like to see him get healthy and get back to catching as soon as possible.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 22:32:14 GMT -5
I agree that with the way things went at the catcher position, moving Swihart to outfield was not the right move, however at the time the move was made it sure didn't seem like a mistake, before Swihart got hurt he was heating up offensively and playing an excellent LF. I don't think anyone can say that switching positions got Swihart hurt, if anything switching from catcher to outfield there should have been less chance of injury. I feel like more than anything the mistake that was made was in evaluating Vazquez' readiness. I don't think anyone thought Vazquez was going to hit as well as Swihart, but I do think that the Sox thought they would get close to the same performance level defensively that they did in 2014, in not going to dive into defensive metrics, pitch framing data, etc... but the eye test told me that the impact of Vazquez' defense at catcher was not near the level it was in 2014. I would really like to see Swihart be the Red Sox #1 catcher in the next year or two, I supported him moving to the outfield, but now with Benintendi called up and seeming to have a real solid chance to stick and be the Sox LF for years to come, I'd like to see him get healthy and get back to catching as soon as possible. I am 100 percent going to say playing LF is why he got hurt. He hurt his ankle running after a ball in LF, a position he had only recently played after coming up as a catcher. I can say without a doubt that had he been catching he would never have hurt his ankle in left field.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 5, 2016 23:04:34 GMT -5
I don't think it was that great an idea to move him to LF, but it wasn't so bad as some of you are saying. I wouldn't have done it and I don't agree with it, but I can understand why it was done. Blake didn't look so good on defense and at the time Vazquez still had that "he's the best defensive catcher ever" weird siren song to him. Besides, I don't agree with this causality look to his injury, sure he was hurt playing LF, but maybe if he stayed as a catcher he could have been hit by a ball in the head and died. It's not like it's something that could have been absolutely predicted and one of several possible outcomes becoming true doesn't make it a bad move by itself.
Yeah, I don't agree with the move, but I don't get offended by it.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 5, 2016 23:18:13 GMT -5
I don't think it was that great an idea to move him to LF, but it wasn't so bad as some of you are saying. I wouldn't have done it and I don't agree with it, but I can understand why it was done. Blake didn't look so good on defense and at the time Vazquez still had that "he's the best defensive catcher ever" weird siren song to him. Besides, I don't agree with this causality look to his injury, sure he was hurt playing LF, but maybe if he stayed as a catcher he could have been hit by a ball in the head and died. It's not like it's something that could have been absolutely predicted and one of several possible outcomes becoming true doesn't make it a bad move by itself. Yeah, I don't agree with the move, but I don't get offended by it. Come on that's absolutely absurd. No he would not have got hit in the head with the ball and died.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 5, 2016 23:33:40 GMT -5
Come on that's absolutely absurd. No he would not have got hit in the head with the ball and died. Yeah. But even then my point stands, maybe he could get injured playing catcher as well, it's not like it's a safe position to play. Not defending the move, but using the injury as a mean to prove how bad it was is just a sort of unfair use of hindsight.
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Post by jmei on Aug 5, 2016 23:35:04 GMT -5
Uh, yes, getting hurt while playing a new, unfamiliar position that requires a lot more running is absolutely a foreseeable consequence.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 5, 2016 23:36:41 GMT -5
Come on that's absolutely absurd. No he would not have got hit in the head with the ball and died. Yeah. But even then my point stands, maybe he could get injured playing catcher as well, it's not like it's a safe position to play. Not defending the move, but using the injury as a mean to prove how bad it was is just a sort of unfair use of hindsight. There were several people here who expressed discontent about the move when it happened.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 5, 2016 23:37:34 GMT -5
Uh, yes, getting hurt while playing a new, unfamiliar position that requires a lot more running is absolutely a foreseeable consequence. Do we have concrete non empirical evidence on that? Because guys get moved to unfamiliar positions all the time and yet I doubt a considerable percentage of them get hurt playing said position. There were several people here who expressed discontent about the move when it happened. Yes and I agree with them, it wasn't a great move. But I think getting injured is just random enough that it doesn't get into that reasoning.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 6, 2016 0:48:43 GMT -5
I never understood how they used Swihart this year. I mean he has more value as a catcher anyway.
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Post by barney27 on Aug 6, 2016 8:36:33 GMT -5
I think the thought process was faulty all the way around on the use of the two young catchers. cv was not ready. should have left swihart as the regular catcher. Let hanigan play his way out. leon has been a surprise. See if leon can still hit the rest of the season and look at starting him and cv next year. start swihart at AAA CATCHING and move him up in may and move down who ever is not doing the job between cv and leon. Then evaluate which one of the 3 you package for a pitcher. If leon continues to hit you have a pleasant problem next may. I wonder what input variteh had is this process?
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