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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 28, 2016 21:19:37 GMT -5
Hope it's the last we see of Matt Barnes for a while.
This bullpen is atrocious.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 28, 2016 21:19:42 GMT -5
And this is why you don't want a manager who pisses away winnable games leaving you hoping the competition screws up. When your third or fourth best bullpen piece cannot get through the bottom of a mediocre Kansas City lineup, the competition isn't screwing up. You're screwing up.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 28, 2016 21:19:50 GMT -5
So... Yah.... Im in favor of JF stealing outs from our starter.... We have like one reliable arm in the pen
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Post by bluechip on Aug 28, 2016 21:20:34 GMT -5
Well Barnes was a garbage fire. Seriously is there no one in the pen who can get outs? Farrell is a bad in game manager, but at some point, guys just need to get outs.
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Post by sierram363 on Aug 28, 2016 21:20:48 GMT -5
Red Sox have hit the ball hard many times and resulted in outs and DPs. Royals hit two infield choppers and result in runs with no outs. Maybe Red Sox should have their own praying mantis. Can we sign this praying mantis guy to be our BP coach?
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 28, 2016 21:20:51 GMT -5
Actually, Barnes was throwing gas tonight.
On the fire, that is.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 28, 2016 21:21:04 GMT -5
Always bad to second guess - but sending Wright and ERod both down for rehab starts could have shaken off the rust on each. In a close race, mistakes continue to be made. And I won't even talk about the GIDPs and awful bullpen (whoops...I guess I did).
Adding one more thing - this yet again is a microcosm of the season - seems like lots of games this year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 28, 2016 21:21:45 GMT -5
This is all on E-Rod. He's handed a two-run lead and walks two LHH, leading to a big inning. Total suck performance: 7.46 FIP, 7.23 xFIP. If not for the .158 BABIP or the score would have gotten ridiculous.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 28, 2016 21:23:01 GMT -5
Good night everybody.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 28, 2016 21:23:53 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 28, 2016 21:24:38 GMT -5
This is no longer a game. This is an exercise in masochism that I'm simply not going to put myself through anymore.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 28, 2016 21:25:23 GMT -5
Robbie Ross is the guy everyone wishes Farrell would use more? This team is so screwed.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 28, 2016 21:26:46 GMT -5
13 batters. 8 runs. Wow.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 28, 2016 21:27:18 GMT -5
I've never seen a legitimate contending team with a bullpen this awful.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 28, 2016 21:28:57 GMT -5
Can anyone name a Red Sox bullpen that they had less faith in than this bullpen? 2001? Maybe?
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 28, 2016 21:29:41 GMT -5
here is another thought piece...
If JF pulled the starter at the first sign of trouble like everyone here has wanted... Our BP would be full of Taz like pitchers.... so really its a no win
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 28, 2016 21:35:40 GMT -5
Red Sox bullpen: 6th in FIP in the AL (before tonight). Not great, but not as bad as some of you are making it look like. Recency bias maybe?
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Post by tizzle on Aug 28, 2016 21:49:40 GMT -5
I still think one deal could mkae a huge difference. If you could get David Robertson who could be your solid 8th inning guy in front of Kimbrel, then your 6th and 7th innings can be handled by Buchholz, Ross (who has pitched well before tonight) and Zeigler, with hopes that Koji and Kelly might be able to add something as well.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 28, 2016 21:52:05 GMT -5
Red Sox bullpen: 6th in FIP in the AL (before tonight). Not great, but not as bad as some of you are making it look like. Recency bias maybe? 14th in the AL in SIERA in the second half. So for the last two months...
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 28, 2016 21:55:54 GMT -5
Red Sox bullpen: 6th in FIP in the AL (before tonight). Not great, but not as bad as some of you are making it look like. Recency bias maybe? 14th in the AL in SIERA in the second half. So for the last two months... The second half is two months of relief pitching, which is a tiny sample. I won't dispute there are issues with the bullpen, but I argue that most nights the bullpen will close this game.
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Post by nomar on Aug 28, 2016 22:00:50 GMT -5
Bullpen disasters can and will happen with this roster, but ERod looking bad is much more important than the implosion afterwards tonight.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 28, 2016 22:03:24 GMT -5
And this is why you don't want a manager who pisses away winnable games leaving you hoping the competition screws up. When your third or fourth best bullpen piece cannot get through the bottom of a mediocre Kansas City lineup, the competition isn't screwing up. You're screwing up. I'm talking about the 10 games previous to this, and three losses during that stretch specifically. You don't piss those winnable ones away you can absorb a dud like this one when it comes along. ERod with the early gopher ball, the team picks him up and then he comes out and proceeds to lose the zone. That happens a few times in a season, sure. But when you have self-inflicted losses becuase your manager, whose supposed to be a pitching guru, has no clue when to pull a starter or which reliver to bring in besides the proven closer, or when to pinch hit in a high leverage situation that -surprise - occurs before the 8th inning, and you end up with 7 or 9 or so extra losses in a season, then games like this become much tougher to absorb. Unless you don't want to win the divsion or make the playoffs. Then it's no big deal.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Aug 28, 2016 22:19:24 GMT -5
14th in the AL in SIERA in the second half. So for the last two months... The second half is two months of relief pitching, which is a tiny sample. I won't dispute there are issues with the bullpen, but I argue that most nights the bullpen will close this game. The Red Sox bullpen from the start of the season was a high risk, high reward affair. The top four pitchers -- Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa and Smith -- were all potentially dominant and all had significant durability issues. At the moment, there is reason to fear that the risks have overtaken the rewards.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 28, 2016 22:20:49 GMT -5
Is it possible that the rotation was so bad early on, especially with two holes in the rotation constantly and Price struggling that the bullpen simply got worn out and now that's showing up here and now while the rotation for the most part has solidified?
Barnes had been pitching fine for the most part and he's now hit the wall. Is it fatigue with him? This guy has been pitching a lot of 3 inning stints and maybe he's simply run out of gas? Tazawa is burnt to a crisp. This bullpen is a total mess.
At this point, if the Sox make the post-season, which they have the talent to do, but might very well find a way to blow, the bullpen certainties would include Kimbrel, Ziegler, and Ross. At this point Rodriguez and Buchholz would wind up in the pen giving them five and it would be a total open audition for the last two spots between Barnes, Uehara, Tazawa, Hembree, Kelly, and Abad. Not a pretty picture.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Aug 28, 2016 22:21:51 GMT -5
Taz looked alright even though he sounded like he was in pain with the grunt every pitch.
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