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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 28, 2016 22:36:28 GMT -5
I watched "The Night Of" finale (HBO) and taped the Sox. I guess hit "delete"?
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Post by station13 on Aug 28, 2016 22:57:29 GMT -5
As bad as Taz has been, he never got tagged around like Barnes did tonight.
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Post by bookiemetts on Aug 28, 2016 23:02:21 GMT -5
The bullpen had 3 scoreless innings tonight!!!
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Post by bluechip on Aug 29, 2016 5:22:09 GMT -5
14th in the AL in SIERA in the second half. So for the last two months... The second half is two months of relief pitching, which is a tiny sample. I won't dispute there are issues with the bullpen, but I argue that most nights the bullpen will close this game. A sample that consists of 113 individual relief appearances.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 29, 2016 7:55:03 GMT -5
I hesitate to judge relief pitchers super harshly when they are forced to come into a game with the bases loaded and one out like Barnes did. Ross didn't come in to a much better situation. They are much more likely to get out of an inning without runs if it's a clean inning.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 29, 2016 8:18:16 GMT -5
The second half is two months of relief pitching, which is a tiny sample. I won't dispute there are issues with the bullpen, but I argue that most nights the bullpen will close this game. The Red Sox bullpen from the start of the season was a high risk, high reward affair. The top four pitchers -- Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa and Smith -- were all potentially dominant and all had significant durability issues. At the moment, there is reason to fear that the risks have overtaken the rewards. +
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 29, 2016 8:24:50 GMT -5
The Red Sox bullpen from the start of the season was a high risk, high reward affair. The top four pitchers -- Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa and Smith -- were all potentially dominant and all had significant durability issues. At the moment, there is reason to fear that the risks have overtaken the rewards. + -
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 29, 2016 9:22:46 GMT -5
I hesitate to judge relief pitchers super harshly when they are forced to come into a game with the bases loaded and one out like Barnes did. Ross didn't come in to a much better situation. They are much more likely to get out of an inning without runs if it's a clean inning. True, but the argument for a few weeks has been that Barnes and Ross should be getting use in higher leverage situations. They did last night. I'm not going to make bold pronouncements based on one game, but in general the ideal cycle for pitchers is: make the team -> pitch in low leverage situations -> pitch well -> start getting use in higher leverage situations -> keep pitching well -> become go-to option in high-leverage situations. When someone is only getting 60-80 innings a year the margin for error is low to keep along that cycle. It was a missed opportunity for Barnes and Ross to solidify themselves as the best late-inning options behind Kimbrel and Ziegler.
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Post by bosox81 on Aug 29, 2016 10:56:01 GMT -5
Look, Barnes has pitched poorly since he was declared the 8th inning guy. He also pitched poorly last night after the game got out of hand. But I can't fault him for inducing a weak grounder that bounced so high no outs could be recorded, throwing a first pitch fastball on the outside edge to a .190 hitter to get ahead in the count that resulted in a triple, and another weak bunt-like grounder that again resulted in no outs. What happened after that is entirely his fault, but I'm not sure you want him to do anything differently against the first three batters he faced.
As for Ross, he was pretty good in key high leverage situations many times before last night.
I feel like the bullpen looking so incompetent last night is one of those things that happen throughout a 162-game season due to random variance.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 29, 2016 11:48:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not really worried about the bullpen as a whole: provided good health in the rotation then Buchholz and Kelly will be joining for September, followed by likely Rodriguez in October. There's enough there, especially given the strengths across the rest of the team. I just think it was a missed opportunity for a couple pitchers who could've taken advantage of them. That's for Barnes particularly since he is probably on the bubble for a playoff roster spot, especially if they bring on a pinch runner.
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Post by prangerx on Aug 29, 2016 13:25:25 GMT -5
There was deffinitly a few fluky things in that inning but Erod and Barnes are still to blame. Only good thing is that we normally get better starting pitching so things shouldn't be this bad. Usually bullpen blows it in the eigth. I do think Erod will be crisper next game. We should continue to get great starting pitching down the stretch.
They might be better off just givening the eigth to Ziggler and trying Barnes/Buccholtz in the seventh.
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