radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Sept 6, 2016 15:27:27 GMT -5
He looks a bit overmatched so far at the plate, or am I wrong about this? I thought Beni looked great but right now Moncada looks like he needs more time in minor league ball. IMO Moncada-Benny debate will end up like the Bogaerts-Betts debate. Always bet on the contact skills.
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Post by shorething on Sept 7, 2016 12:34:23 GMT -5
I continue to worry that Moncada can't hit MLB pitching quite good enough yet, once opponents get enough data to exploit his weaknesses. I think his hitting may take another year or two to develop before he can reach his potential, similar to Espinoza. If true (and the experiment is ongoing), this means they could trade Moncada in the off-season to a team that can assume the risk (or afford to wait), as they did Espinoza. Lol the "experiment is ongoing". I didn't realize that Moncada's development was a scientific procedure to test a hypothesis!
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Post by philarhody on Sept 7, 2016 15:04:17 GMT -5
Will Moncada be the first Cuban superstar?
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Post by jimoh on Sept 7, 2016 15:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Sept 7, 2016 17:01:52 GMT -5
Forgot how good Tiant was. (ahem) Will Moncada be the second Cuban superstar?
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Post by scarr0214 on Sept 7, 2016 21:54:04 GMT -5
Forgot how good Tiant was. (ahem) Will Moncada be the second Cuban superstar? Jose Fernandez definitely counts too so third??
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Post by philarhody on Sept 7, 2016 23:33:45 GMT -5
Forgot how good Tiant was. (ahem) Will Moncada be the second Cuban superstar? Jose Fernandez definitely counts too so third?? Damn. Will Moncada be the first Cuban position player superstar?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 8, 2016 0:20:04 GMT -5
Jose Fernandez definitely counts too so third?? Damn. Will Moncada be the first Cuban position player superstar? Tony Perez was pretty damn good and is in the HOF. Tony Oliva, if not for all his injuries, was on a HOF path. He was a star player, too.
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Post by supersquid on Sept 8, 2016 2:36:49 GMT -5
Will Moncada be the first Cuban a superstar? Fixed
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 8, 2016 5:51:56 GMT -5
will moncada ever stop striking out?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 8, 2016 10:19:21 GMT -5
As long as he's not playing, he won't strike out. Kidding aside, Even if he's not playing, he's better off with the team, than to be on the couch in Fla.
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Post by scotian1 on Sept 8, 2016 14:37:15 GMT -5
David Ortiz spent a considerable amount of time with him last night in 1 on 1 conversation during the game. This kind of thing has to be a positive for him.
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Post by nomar on Sept 8, 2016 14:52:43 GMT -5
David Ortiz spent a considerable amount of time with him last night in 1 on 1 conversation during the game. This kind of thing has to be a positive for him. NESN didn't cover that enough... I saw Ortiz's hand on Moncada's knee more times than I'll have my hand on my girlfriends in a year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 8, 2016 21:32:16 GMT -5
Forgot how good Tiant was. (ahem) Will Moncada be the second Cuban superstar? Maybe Yoan will be the second RS Cuban superstar to put up a clearly HOF-worthy career only to be stupidly and inexcusably neglected by the idiots who vote. I saw Luis at an autograph signing in a small store in the Hartford area a few years ago. There was nobody behind me, so I had time to make a comment to Luis when I got up to the table. The conversation went like this: Tears: "You should be in the HOF, Luis, and it's not a close call." Luis: (Spreading his hands in front of him with his palms upward), "I know, I know." Tears: "I've done the research and I know the numbers. You should be in." Luis: (Gesturing the same way with his hands and shaking his head from side to side), "I know, I know." He speaks in that squeaky voice and his tone and mannerisms clearly indicated that in his mind I was telling him something was a foregone conclusion. Good stuff.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 0:48:50 GMT -5
Forgot how good Tiant was. (ahem) Will Moncada be the second Cuban superstar? Maybe Yoan will be the second RS Cuban superstar to put up a clearly HOF-worthy career only to be stupidly and inexcusably neglected by the idiots who vote. I saw Luis at an autograph signing in a small store in the Hartford area a few years ago. There was nobody behind me, so I had time to make a comment to Luis when I got up to the table. The conversation went like this: Tears: "You should be in the HOF, Luis, and it's not a close call." Luis: (Spreading his hands in front of him with his palms upward), "I know, I know." Tears: "I've done the research and I know the numbers. You should be in." Luis: (Gesturing the same way with his hands and shaking his head from side to side), "I know, I know." He speaks in that squeaky voice and his tone and mannerisms clearly indicated that in his mind I was telling him something was a foregone conclusion. Good stuff. Indeed. Thanks for that story. The worst thing you can say about his HOF numbers is that he's not in the zone where folks who set an unrealistically high bar should still be voting for him. He wouldn't be better than half of the pitchers already in the Hall ... which is of course a stupidly high standard. A very clear majority of pitchers who were roughly as good as he was are in. The thing is, though, if you want to go beyond the numbers in order to judge guys whose comps include mostly but entirely HOFers ... he was famous. He was a black man who was the most popular athlete, and deservedly so, in a city torn by racial strife. I can testify that after he beat Jim Palmer 2-0 in Fenway on 9/16/75 (a game that Peter Gammons claims had the largest crowd in Fenway history due to the team simply selling as many standing room tickets as they could), crowds on the Green Line going out to Riverside spontaneously broke into "Loo-ie, Loo-ie" chants. I've never heard anything like that before or since. My story about that game: I was standing up right behind the last row of seats looking directly down the 3B line (and unaware that there were hordes standing behind me!) Luis had been bothered in the second half by a bad back, putting up a 5.58 ERA from July 21 to the end of August. Then they skipped his turn and he put up a 9 3 1 1 1 10 line against the Tigers. So the only question tonight was, was his back OK? We watched him warming up in the bullpen and it looked promising. His first pitch to Al Bumbry was a perfect strike on the corner; Fisk didn't even move his glove. I turned to the complete stranger standing to my right and said, "We won." He understood what I meant; if Luis were healthy enough to throw that pitch, he was throwing a shutout. And of course he did.
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Post by ryan24 on Sept 10, 2016 11:31:12 GMT -5
I do not think there is anything wrong with moncada being up in the bigs. I think he will be in the bigs in the next 2 years. But with his struggle with the strikeout it will be interesting to see how Farrell and company handle his playing time for the rest of the year. In this case it does appear that he needs lots of AAA time unlike beni who seems to have adjusted well. Small sample size but 8 strikeouts in a row shows he appears to be overmatched. Lots of pieces to an interesting puzzle. Does he continue to switch hit? Does he adjust to off speed stuff? Does he play 3rd,the of, or dh? Probably the first major bump in his career. Will we next year at this time be asking ourselves is he prospect or suspect? Predictive data says he is a star.
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