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9/5-9/7 Red Sox @ Padres Series Thread
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 7, 2016 8:16:42 GMT -5
Great win. c'mon now, Farrell, today is not a getaway day. It's a stay in first place day. Today is a "chance to blame Farrell" day! Seriously though, you're right.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 7, 2016 8:21:58 GMT -5
It might not matter at this rate. The Sox have been underperforming for months and the Tigers and O's are right behind them. Pretty good chance the Sox miss the playoffs entirely. Someone else said it a few days ago but they really should've canned Farrell after that awful June. It does look like there is a good chance he is the difference between a division title and missing the playoffs. That was me. And if they make it to the World Series and win this year I'll never chip on him again. If we're talking June 2014, that was probably me.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 7, 2016 8:32:58 GMT -5
Great win. c'mon now, Farrell, today is not a getaway day. It's a stay in first place day. Today is a "chance to blame Farrell" day! Around here, any day is a Blame Farrell day ... I actually thought Xander looked a little bit better. When he gets wrong, his balance looks a little off, and it looks like he doesn't see the ball well, decides late on pitches. Last night, I thought he looked just a little bit more decisive a little more often. Maybe just a one game thing, but we'll see.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 7, 2016 8:58:08 GMT -5
Please Sox, sit Xander for the final game of the series. Give him a full couple days off before the final sprint. He SO looks like he needs it. Moncada -- IDK. Obviously he's not ready. But the problem is, there have been oodles of toolsy players down through the ages who were never able to hit the breaking ball. Some more time in the minors may help him, or it may not. Maybe 10 months from now we'll be shrugging off what was a temporary bump in the road. Or maybe 2 years from now we're going to have people on here lamenting about how he was the ultimate lost opportunity to sell high of all time. Remember when Bregman came up & went something like 0 for 200. He came out of it. Not sure what his K-rate was, but that slump was real. Agree that this experience, good or bad, is invaluable for him. Just being around big leaguers, talking shop with players/coaches, traveling with the team, SEEING big league stuff, ect.
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Post by bookiemetts on Sept 7, 2016 9:20:03 GMT -5
Please Sox, sit Xander for the final game of the series. Give him a full couple days off before the final sprint. He SO looks like he needs it. I think Bogaerts needs more than rest. His swing needs work. His follow through is awkward and it seems like his bat has way too much whip coming through the zone. He taps into very little of his raw power. It's a project for the offseason. I don't know that may be part of the problem. It also seems like he's checking his swing on like 50% of pitches. I know this is usually a joke but, does he need contacts or something?
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Post by Guidas on Sept 7, 2016 9:24:00 GMT -5
That was me. And if they make it to the World Series and win this year I'll never chip on him again. If we're talking June 2014, that was probably me. I actually said the same thing about JD Drew in 2007 when he was up with bases loaded against the Tribe, saying if he gets a double or better here I will never cut on him again. And then he went yard. So glad I didn't pledge to get the Drew tattoo, but I kept my word.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 7, 2016 9:57:49 GMT -5
When I see Xander at bat, esp when compared to Mookie, it is constant movement. The pitch comes through and he is still moving, not at all coiled. I've not gone back to look at his plate approach when he was hot earlier, but I would love to see him settle down a bit. Of course, this is just armchair observing, since I've never had to stand up there with a bat with gas coming at me and a game on the line!
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 7, 2016 10:22:38 GMT -5
Oh the plus side- Moncada is going to get a lot of experience with Major League quality breaking balls in the next couple weeks. Should be a good learning experience if he takes it the right way and it doesn't end up costing the teams wins. Yup, it's the right call and there's a much bigger chance that his helps him instead of breaking him. The question is, is it helping to win games? That's the reason he' playing every day instead of pinch-running and getting the occasional start, which I thought would be the plan. Moncada has gone 4/17 with a BB and a 2B in his four starts. And if you count the pickoff, the error on an easy grounder, and the ball he deflected away from Pedey, it's an effective 1/17. Either one is far below Travis Shaw's season or career line. But Shaw is also a streaky hitter who was literally coming off the best game of his career. He's had 121 previous PA in games that were within 4 games of his having gotten 2 XBH in a game (8 previous occasions creating 6 stretches, as 2 overlapped). That's actually 17% of his career. He's .315 / .388 / .528 in those games.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 7, 2016 10:28:42 GMT -5
Yup, it's the right call and there's a much bigger chance that his helps him instead of breaking him. The question is, is it helping to win games? That's the reason he' playing every day instead of pinch-running and getting the occasional start, which I thought would be the plan.Moncada has gone 4/17 with a BB and a 2B in his four starts. And if you count the pickoff, the error on an easy grounder, and the ball he deflected away from Pedey, it's an effective 1/17. Either one is far below Travis Shaw's season or career line. But Shaw is also a streaky hitter who was literally coming off the best game of his career. He's had 121 previous PA in games that were within 4 games of his having gotten 2 XBH in a game (8 previous occasions creating 6 stretches, as 2 overlapped). That's actually 17% of his career. He's .315 / .388 / .528 in those games. And my point from the very beginning. This is not a losing season where we give prospects a look, it's not AAA - this is, pardon the metaphor - the whole ballgame! The objective of the MLB team is to win. And in a pennant race this tight virtually every at bat counts.
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 7, 2016 10:42:37 GMT -5
I'm doubtful that Moncada is benefiting from the MLB experience when he looks so completely clueless at the plate. George Polya in his famous book "How to Solve It" said that a student benefits when he is adequately challenged. If you ask a question that is too easy to the student, he doesn't learn anything, but if you ask a question that is too hard you can make the student discouraged. I had not seen Moncada previously, so I was ok with bringing him up. But now after watching him I feel like his time in the MLB this season will be unproductive to his development, not to mention harmful to the team.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 7, 2016 10:51:59 GMT -5
Moncada has to figure out how to hit a curve ball and also probably needs to give up his patient approach in the short term to be able to swing at some fastballs earlier in counts. Not everyone can throw curves for strikes, but in the last two days, they could against him. He's going to have to re-work his approach the same way Xander and Mookie did.
I agree on pumping the brakes on him here.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 7, 2016 11:15:48 GMT -5
Today is a "chance to blame Farrell" day! Around here, any day is a Blame Farrell day ... I actually thought Xander looked a little bit better. When he gets wrong, his balance looks a little off, and it looks like he doesn't see the ball well, decides late on pitches. Last night, I thought he looked just a little bit more decisive a little more often. Maybe just a one game thing, but we'll see. I agree on X. Seems like he's been seeing the ball better recently and has taken more walks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 14:10:06 GMT -5
I'm doubtful that Moncada is benefiting from the MLB experience when he looks so completely clueless at the plate. George Polya in his famous book "How to Solve It" said that a student benefits when he is adequately challenged. If you ask a question that is too easy to the student, he doesn't learn anything, but if you ask a question that is too hard you can make the student discouraged. I had not seen Moncada previously, so I was ok with bringing him up. But now after watching him I feel like his time in the MLB this season will be unproductive to his development, not to mention harmful to the team. Exactly. I think the Sox front office felt pressured to call up Moncada before he's ready because they are in a pennant race and need production from 3B. If the Sox were in last place right now, Moncada would not be up with the big league club IMO.
As for Moncada's development, there's nothing to be gained by letting him feel overwhelmed in the MLB. He needs to be challenged, yes, but not to feel overwhelmed.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 7, 2016 14:24:44 GMT -5
Xander now has a TAv of .276, which is very good for a SS ... and ranks 8th in the 2016 Boston Red Sox starting lineup. He's been the second-best table-setter on the club, after Pedroia (and excluding the SSS guys, Leon and Benny), but only Shaw has been worse at knocking in his teammates. He would be good enough to hit leadoff for most MLB teams, but we could actually hit him 9th once Benintendi gets back and gets going. (In the interim, the only solid alternative to him 2nd would be Leon.)
The other thing that's changed since the last time I ran the metrics is that JBJ is no longer challenging Mookie as the 2nd-best hitter and is instead just ahead of Pedroia and Hanley (and Benny's PECOTA projection) for 3rd best hitter on the team. He's now 4th to 6th in table-setting but remains 3rd in knock-in, so 5th or 6th is ideal for him.
Pedroia Benintendi Betts Ortiz Ramirez Bradley Leon / Vazquez. If you knew Leon was entirely for real, he'd hit 5 and Hanley 7. Shaw / Moncada / Hill (can hit 7 when Vazquez catches) Bogaerts
I have to give more thought to a lineup vs. LHP, but I think X could hit 2nd, while Young would be 6 or 7.
Here are the current rankings, which are now scaled so that 100 = AL average, just like an OPS+
Net Table-Setting 151 Andrew Benintendi 144 Sandy Leon 128 Dustin Pedroia 120 Xander Bogaerts 114 Mookie Betts 111 Jackie Bradley Jr. 109 Chris Young 108 David Ortiz 107 Hanley Ramirez 104 Travis Shaw
Teammate Knock-In 134 Sandy Leon 134 David Ortiz 131 Mookie Betts 124 Andrew Benintendi 118 Chris Young 113 Jackie Bradley Jr. 111 Dustin Pedroia 109 Hanley Ramirez 108 Xander Bogaerts 104 Travis Shaw
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 7, 2016 16:32:58 GMT -5
The Rays gave us some help today and the White Sox look like they're also headed to a 1 run win. Nice to see our competitor's bullpens give it up for a change.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 7, 2016 16:35:14 GMT -5
We have 7 games left vs Balt and 6 vs Toronto. We have the toughest schedule left of the AL East teams. I'm nervous. It's Ok to be nervous. A lot of folks around here invest a lot of time and energy.....if you weren't nervous....you wouldn't be a fan of the team. Embrace it.....nurture it......and beat the f**k out of these pretenders. Then.....let the sun rise on another day in the life.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 7, 2016 16:38:19 GMT -5
We have 7 games left vs Balt and 6 vs Toronto. We have the toughest schedule left of the AL East teams. I'm nervous. It's Ok to be nervous. A lot of folks around here invest a lot of time and energy.....if you weren't nervous....you wouldn't be a fan of the team. Embrace it.....nurture it......and beat the f**k out of these pretenders. Then.....let the sun rise on another day in the life. This!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 7, 2016 17:16:26 GMT -5
I'm hoping the Rays can be just as pesky against the O's and Jays as they have been against us. Go Rays!
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 7, 2016 17:18:51 GMT -5
We have 7 games left vs Balt and 6 vs Toronto. We have the toughest schedule left of the AL East teams. I'm nervous. It's Ok to be nervous. A lot of folks around here invest a lot of time and energy.....if you weren't nervous....you wouldn't be a fan of the team. Embrace it.....nurture it......and beat the f**k out of these pretenders. Then.....let the sun rise on another day in the life. Best explanation of a Sox fan I've seen in some time.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Sept 7, 2016 17:22:29 GMT -5
Fenway Fanatic said: "We have 7 games left vs Balt and 6 vs Toronto. We have the toughest schedule left of the AL East teams. I'm nervous."
Baltimore has 7 games & Toronto has 6 games versus US, they should be nervous and the Sox control their own destiny. The pitching has come around (pen excepted, the dog days draw to a close and the kids get their second wind and they come through it battle tested and ready to roll! (I know, very un-Boston, at least through 2004).
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Post by dnfl333 on Sept 7, 2016 18:10:49 GMT -5
Nervous? Pull your skirts up
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2016 20:09:13 GMT -5
Best going away gift yet for Ortiz, a custom surfboard with his image, presented to him by Orsillo!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 7, 2016 20:10:02 GMT -5
Yankees beating Toronto and the Sox have a pitching matchup that should heavily favor the Sox tonight.
Get the job done and get into first place tonight.
I don't want to see Farrell managing a one game play-off do or die for the wildcard.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 7, 2016 20:16:40 GMT -5
Great AB by X.
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 7, 2016 20:40:37 GMT -5
"Play me" - Shaw
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