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9/9-9/11 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2016 21:26:09 GMT -5
Yep. That inning was probably the biggest gameday thread overreaction in my five years here. One of the best pitchers alive gives up three soft singles in what turned out to be another dynamite game and a total blowout.
EDIT: You really have a problem with him working Koji back in here? I know he got a couple swings and misses last time, but he was sitting 85. A nine-run game is the perfect time to get him ramped up.
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2016 21:28:06 GMT -5
Nothing like an awesome blowout win capped off by your manager using some of his best relievers for no reason. You get to enjoy the win and the crazy crying.
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Post by jchang on Sept 9, 2016 21:28:36 GMT -5
I suppose this is like a rehab stint for Koji?
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2016 21:30:18 GMT -5
Yep. That inning was probably the biggest gameday thread overreaction in my five years here. One of the best pitchers alive gives up three soft singles in what turned out to be another dynamite game and a total blowout. EDIT: You really have a problem with him working Koji back in here? I know he got a couple swings and misses last time, but he was sitting 85. A nine-run game is the perfect time to get him ramped up. I don't want Toronto seeing Koji til they have to.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2016 21:36:13 GMT -5
I think Koji ended up throwing 22 or 23 pitches. I wonder if he'll be available for tomorrow's day game. And if he is, will he be able to get tough, high-stress outs?
I mean why is Noe Ramirez on this team if not to pitch in blowouts?
Great win, though.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 9, 2016 21:57:47 GMT -5
Yeah I'm really not all that outraged about Ziggy and Koji throwing today. Both could use the work to get a good rhythm going after being out.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 9, 2016 22:10:02 GMT -5
Yep. That inning was probably the biggest gameday thread overreaction in my five years here. One of the best pitchers alive gives up three soft singles in what turned out to be another dynamite game and a total blowout. Exactly - a soft liner, a seeing-eye ground-pounder, and a Texas league bloop. I figured it might amp-up the angst, and it did. Porcello has had great stuff this year, but even better is that he's used it masterfully. He could easily be worth five wins by the time the season's done.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 9, 2016 22:26:46 GMT -5
Pedroia continues to astound. After three hits tonight, he's at .329/.390/.458 with a wRC+ of 126. Frangraphs has him at 5 WAR, while B-Ref has him at 5.3.
BABIP has been a huge friend. He's at .356 but a lot of that in his case has to be skill, not luck. He uses the whole field. It's also worth noting that his career BABIP is .316 - which is further evidence that he has a talent for hittin' 'em where they ain't.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 22:31:09 GMT -5
Second in a series of three -- collect them all!
Here's J.A. Happ's season, with the badness starting August 17.
GS 23 4 IP/GS 6.2 5.3 BA .229 .291 OBP .291 .333 SA .370 .500 ERA- 68 137 FIP- 87 119 xFIP- 94 98 SIERA 4.16 4.10 BABIP .270 .323 HR/FB .108 .192 LOB% .815 .708 LD% .225 .209 GB% .424 .403 PU% .040 .015 Hard% .319 .358 Pull% .349 .313 His deep peripherals are unchanged, but, like Estrada, his popups are down and HR's are up. BABIP up as well, but some of that may be the Blu Jays decaying defense, if tonight was any indicator.
The four starts: giving up 3 bombs; a bit snake-bitten; giving up 2 bombs; hit hard early and chased in the 3rd.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2016 22:36:24 GMT -5
Great victory, the kind the 2016 Red Sox specialize in - and a win they had to have. They had the Rick Porcello offense in tonight - and congratulations to 20 game winner Rick Porcello. Pitchers' W/L records aren't that meaningful, but 20-3 is something to be proud of. He's been very consistent and eats innings.
I, too, don't understand Farrell wasting Ziegler and Koji tonight. This means if the Sox play two close games over the weekend, he can't use them both for both games. Doesn't make sense when you're up by 10 runs. Don't understand why guys like Noe Ramirez or Robbie Scott couldn't have been used. Even Matt Barnes or Joe Kelly would have been a better idea.
Now if the Red Sox can start winning the close games, too, then the other teams wouldn't stand a chance.
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2016 22:53:37 GMT -5
You can't be unexcited after tonight as a diehard. Arguably the other best AL team this year is reeling and we have the chance to finish them. This Sox team has lacked balls all year and they could grow them at the perfect time. Everyone watches baseball in hopes that their team is here. Finish strong, boys. Let's go
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 22:54:25 GMT -5
Pedroia continues to astound. After three hits tonight, he's at .329/.390/.458 with a wRC+ of 126. Frangraphs has him at 5 WAR, while B-Ref has him at 5.3. BABIP has been a huge friend. He's at .356 but a lot of that in his case has to be skill, not luck. He uses the whole field. It's also worth noting that his career BABIP is .316 - which is further evidence that he has a talent for hittin' 'em where they ain't. He was .313 / .387 / .522 from July 21 to August 9. The next day JF moved him to leadoff. Starting 8/9, he's hit .455 / .479 / .491. He's fanned 7 times in 119 PA, and has not homered. He has a .485 BABIP. His IsoD and Iso are way down from his immediately preceding hot stretch, but no one who has watched him would say he's just been lucky. It's as if he's decided his job is just to get base hits and set the table, and he's kind of doing it at will. It's like a science experiment: what if a guy with supreme bat-to-ball skills, who always had a bit of a chip on his shoulder about proving he could hit for some power, just decided to see how much consistent base-hit contact he could make, while using his 6000+ career PA of experience and baseball smarts? He may be inadvertently proving a point: that Wade Boggs and Ichiro Suzuki were doing the right thing by declining to use their legendary batting-practice power in games. Obviously Pedey's not going to keep this up, but he may be a significantly more valuable hitter going forward if he keeps this new approach. Either that, or it's all a bit of a fluke.
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Post by kyla13 on Sept 9, 2016 22:57:56 GMT -5
Pedroia continues to astound. After three hits tonight, he's at .329/.390/.458 with a wRC+ of 126. Frangraphs has him at 5 WAR, while B-Ref has him at 5.3. BABIP has been a huge friend. He's at .356 but a lot of that in his case has to be skill, not luck. He uses the whole field. It's also worth noting that his career BABIP is .316 - which is further evidence that he has a talent for hittin' 'em where they ain't. And he's just thirteen percentage points behind Altuve right now for the AL batting crown. He was like what, more than 50 behind a few weeks ago? Truly remarkable.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 9, 2016 23:04:46 GMT -5
Great victory, the kind the 2016 Red Sox specialize in - and a win they had to have. They had the Rick Porcello offense in tonight - and congratulations to 20 game winner Rick Porcello. Pitchers' W/L records aren't that meaningful, but 20-3 is something to be proud of. He's been very consistent and eats innings. I, too, don't understand Farrell wasting Ziegler and Koji tonight. This means if the Sox play two close games over the weekend, he can't use them both for both games. Doesn't make sense when you're up by 10 runs. Don't understand why guys like Noe Ramirez or Robbie Scott couldn't have been used. Even Matt Barnes or Joe Kelly would have been a better idea. Now if the Red Sox can start winning the close games, too, then the other teams wouldn't stand a chance. Using Koji I understand completely. He was already on record as saying he would wait before using him in a high leverage situation (which I think is right), so he would not be pitching in a close game tomorrow regardless. If he throws tonight and looks sharp again, you may decide that his virtual rehab stint is over and that he's now ready to pitch high-leverage starting Sunday. Whereas if you don't use him tonight, who knows when the next low-leverage opportunity will come? I have to think that because of Ziegler's flu and prolonged layoff, he was subject to the same concerns. So, yeah, both guys are unavailable tomorrow, but they have both now finished their virtual rehabs and are good to go for high-leverage beginning Sunday. JF's bullpen usage the last week or so has in fact been uncharacteristically competent.
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Post by nomar on Sept 9, 2016 23:28:48 GMT -5
At this point in the season, Farrell's decisions stand alone by default. It's a great win. Accepting our roster + managerial decisions together, it was a big day for us and tomorrow could really start to ice these Canadians. Farrell may be our manager, but tomorrow's game is the type any member of Red Sox nation dies for. Let's go boys
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 10, 2016 8:42:47 GMT -5
I'd like to play the devils advocate and defend JF using Koji last night. He had only pitched 1 inning in San Diego after being out for almost 2 months. Koji didn't get any rehab and at 41 years of age who knows how he'd come back. While he did pitch a perfect inning in SD I see no problem using a blow out to get him some more work and see how he looks. it's perfectly plausible he could have came in for a one run game and laid an egg.
At this point though, I'd immediately move Koji back to 8th inning duty.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 8:57:33 GMT -5
That was a great win, but Toronto had a lot of unforced errors to go with Estrada's poor pitching (Nice prediction Eric!).
Let's see if Sox/Eduardo can keep the pressure on and step on Toronto's neck today.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 10, 2016 9:53:59 GMT -5
Second in a series of three -- collect them all! Here's J.A. Happ's season, with the badness starting August 17. GS 23 4 IP/GS 6.2 5.3 BA .229 .291 OBP .291 .333 SA .370 .500 ERA- 68 137 FIP- 87 119 xFIP- 94 98 SIERA 4.16 4.10 BABIP .270 .323 HR/FB .108 .192 LOB% .815 .708 LD% .225 .209 GB% .424 .403 PU% .040 .015 Hard% .319 .358 Pull% .349 .313 His deep peripherals are unchanged, but, like Estrada, his popups are down and HR's are up. BABIP up as well, but some of that may be the Blu Jays decaying defense, if tonight was any indicator. The four starts: giving up 3 bombs; a bit snake-bitten; giving up 2 bombs; hit hard early and chased in the 3rd. This is a lot less clear than Estrada. It looks like he's pitching basically the same but having much worse luck. He was outperforming his peripherals before, and he's underperforming them now. Overall, that looks like a pretty solid pitcher who got kind of lucky for a while, then got kind of unlucky. Looks like he just gave up a little harder contact, and those shots were FB instead of LD and left the park... doesn't seem that predictive, but with the depth of power hitters on the Sox, if there's some particular reason why he's giving up bombs recently, they'll probably hit a couple off him. Using Koji in the 9th was so obviously the right move last night, I'm not even going to rehash why.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 10, 2016 9:55:36 GMT -5
IS anyone concerned that Koji's fastball is only 85 mph?
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Post by jmei on Sept 10, 2016 9:57:49 GMT -5
I'm fine with using Koji, but using Ziegler was unwarranted in my mind. There's two more games left against a heavily RHH Toronto lineup, and now he can only pitch in one of them.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 10, 2016 10:08:11 GMT -5
I'm fine with using Koji, but using Ziegler was unwarranted in my mind. There's two more games left against a heavily RHH Toronto lineup, and now he can only pitch in one of them. Yeah, I would think so, too. I would've used almost anyone else ... but there may be something related to his sickness, building back strength, I dunno. Also possible he was warming up when it was still a 6-2 game, so Farrell decided to just use him anyway. <shrug>
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 10:40:00 GMT -5
I'm fine with using Koji, but using Ziegler was unwarranted in my mind. There's two more games left against a heavily RHH Toronto lineup, and now he can only pitch in one of them. I get the easing of Koji in thought, but it's not like this is a 7 man bull pen right now. 10 run lead should've been none of the guys you though you could use Sat/Sun in a much closer game.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 10, 2016 10:43:14 GMT -5
I couldn't locate a Porcello thread so I'm going to post this here... He just won his 20th game and has a handful of starts left. We could be looking at 23 wins here before the season is done.
Yea yea "who cares?!?!? " Wins are a meaningless statistic for a pitcher, blah blah blah. I agree wins aren't the end all and be all but they aren't entirely meaningless in this context either. His other stats are more important but in his case the wins are the symbol of those stats and I think we should take a moment to recognize how good he's been.
Sure last night was a blow out but it wasn't until late(r) in the game. If it felt like one earlier that's only because Porcello was pitching in great command and was again going to go deep into the game. And here is the underlying point. His ability to pitch effectively deep into games this year has been outstanding and is why he's won so many games. Even if his run support has been good he's eliminated the soft underbelly of the bullpen which is huge for piling up wins. In other words he's helped himself not have the pen blow leads he's earned.
Eric have you ever compiled stats on team records the two days after a starter pitched to see if there is any correlation between his innings pitched and team success afterwards?
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Post by Canseco on Sept 10, 2016 10:46:02 GMT -5
Gosh... do we really want Hill AND Hanigan in the same lineup in the thick of a pennant race? Give me Vazquez if León needs a day.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 11:30:13 GMT -5
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