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Post by bosox81 on Sept 13, 2016 21:44:18 GMT -5
Really hope Farrell isn't afraid to go to the pen tomorrow if Porcello is struggling or at a high pitch count in the 5th or 6th just because we used a lot of guys today. We need to win tomorrow. No we don't need to win. It would be nice though, but it wouldn't break the season if we didn't. Toronto series was a bigger must win. I still think the bigger threat is Baltimore. Toronto has issues with the rotation and Baltimore has a much easier schedule among the contenders.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 13, 2016 21:47:24 GMT -5
Well, we can stop yelling about Noe, because it wouldn't have mattered one way or the other.
Look at it this way: The East is exactly where it was Sunday evening, and two more days are gone from the schedule. The Sox are trying to run out the calendar instead of the clock.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 13, 2016 21:50:49 GMT -5
apparently Moncada was on snapchat in the clubhouse during the game.
cue the uproar in three, two, one...
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 13, 2016 21:58:14 GMT -5
I still think the bigger threat is Baltimore. Toronto has issues with the rotation and Baltimore has a much easier schedule among the contenders. I think Toronto is still more talented overall. Baltimore also have a shaky rotation and a losing record since July.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 14, 2016 1:05:42 GMT -5
I didn't mind Noe Ramirez in the late innings, that wasn't the real blunder. Britton and Brock were already in the game and they are unhittable.
The part where Farrell was protecting a 3rd or 4th string catcher was the part that just really digs at a fan with any sense of common sense.
Farrell knows that the strength of the Orioles is Brock and Britton (along with their powerful lineup).
Here we were in inning number 6 with Tommy Hunter (a pitcher that was released from another team just a month ago) pitching with a runner on base, and Farrell gives the Orioles a break by sending a pitcher up to bat basically in Hanigan.
The best way to get to the Orioles is smacking around the back end of their rotation and their middle relief.
John Farrell has no sense of urgency when time is literally ticking away on it's last legs.
Farrell is going to be a major reason why this team will get eliminated from the playoffs if they do get bounced. He has no critical thinking skills. Just a guy who cares more about feelings. This is the last thing I want to see in a manager. Sorry if I'm just speaking for myself here.
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Post by telluricrook on Sept 14, 2016 1:42:06 GMT -5
Brock is a terrible pitcher! He should go back to the UFC or WWE.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 14, 2016 2:00:51 GMT -5
I'll maintain the opinion of stating that if the Sox want a real shot at a deep playoff run, they have to win the division.
Otherwise this team's number one weakness in John Farrell will be exposed in a one game wild card play-off.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 14, 2016 5:50:44 GMT -5
By making sure his team sequenced its hits and home runs more efficiently in the second inning? Showalter would've had Xander hit his HR with the bases loaded instead of empty. Kept Bundy in the game for Bradley, brought in the lefty for Ortiz, then Brach for Mookie, Britton for the 4 out save. Farrell just got straight up out-coached tonight. Pffft ... Showalter using a LOOGY to face Ortiz is some kind of managerial genius? But getting through a game where your starter gets 6 outs without using your top 3 relievers is trash. The difference in this game was the second inning when the Orioles hit a 2-run HR and a 3-run HR, while the Red Sox 2 and 3 hitters struck out and bounced out with the bases loaded, then the Sox went 1-9 w/RISP. Sometimes, the hits just aren't sequenced in the right place. It's ok to accept that sometimes life isn't fair, and there's no one to blame for your sadness.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2016 7:58:13 GMT -5
Why is there such a resistance for Farrell to play Vazquez? He's pretty easily the 2nd best catcher.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 14, 2016 8:11:30 GMT -5
I'll maintain the opinion of stating that if the Sox want a real shot at a deep playoff run, they have to win the division. Otherwise this team's number one weakness in John Farrell will be exposed in a one game wild card play-off. Any actual deficiencies a team has are less likely to be exposed in a one-game playoff. That's why one game playoffs aren't really fair. Of course, even if they won a play-in they'd still be in the same position as if they won the division, so yeah, of course their best chance to win is by winning the division.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 14, 2016 8:33:15 GMT -5
Why is there such a resistance for Farrell to play Vazquez? He's pretty easily the 2nd best catcher. Baffling and disturbing. On an opposite note, starting Price on 4 days rest against their 5th starter and Pomeranz on 7 days rest against their #4 seemed backwards, and it's quite possible that the extra day of rest hurt Pomeranz. However, this sets up Price to pitch the last day of the season rather than Pomeranz (if they skip Buchholz on 9/26, their one remaining off day), and also sets up Price to pitch the 22nd in Baltimore and Pomeranz the 23rd in Tampa rather than vice versa.
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Post by p23w on Sept 14, 2016 10:33:55 GMT -5
Overall, it was great to see a good bullpen performance for two games in three days. I'll take 7IP and 1ER anytime.
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Post by p23w on Sept 14, 2016 10:39:08 GMT -5
Gotta love Red Sox fans willing to piss games away because we are losing by 2 runs..... OOookay. Just because you'll be facing a closer who is (now) 42 for 42 in save opportunities equates to "pissing games away"..... sure, I'm on board.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 14, 2016 10:43:25 GMT -5
Kept Bundy in the game for Bradley, brought in the lefty for Ortiz, then Brach for Mookie, Britton for the 4 out save. Farrell just got straight up out-coached tonight. Pffft ... Showalter using a LOOGY to face Ortiz is some kind of managerial genius? But getting through a game where your starter gets 6 outs without using your top 3 relievers is trash. The difference in this game was the second inning when the Orioles hit a 2-run HR and a 3-run HR, while the Red Sox 2 and 3 hitters struck out and bounced out with the bases loaded, then the Sox went 1-9 w/RISP. Sometimes, the hits just aren't sequenced in the right place. It's ok to accept that sometimes life isn't fair, and there's no one to blame for your sadness. It is managerial genius compared to the managing we've been getting, yes. Farrell rarely takes advantage of his lefties that way and no one has been able to explain to me why Hanigan is getting meaningful starts in a pennant race.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Sept 14, 2016 10:47:24 GMT -5
Overall, it was great to see a good bullpen performance for two games in three days. I'll take 7IP and 1ER anytime. Tim Neverett was actually saying the bullpen had something like an 0.8 ERA for the month of September even before yesterday's performance. I know the bullpen is considered to be a key weakness of this team, but it does seem like the parts are there for it to be successful. Regarding the use of Noe, he did a great job last night in a sub-optimal situation. I feel like, especially in Sept with the expanded rosters, when Showalter pinch hits a lefty to face your righty specialist, you should just go back to the pen and bring in a lefty. It seemed like a good spot to bring in Abad or (I was hoping) Robby Scott. I guess JF would rather be lucky.
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 14, 2016 10:48:49 GMT -5
Overall, it was great to see a good bullpen performance for two games in three days. I'll take 7IP and 1ER anytime. Since the start of the Blue Jays series (five games), the bullpen has 18IP and 3ER and their best reliever only pitched one of those innings.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 14, 2016 11:10:56 GMT -5
Overall, it was great to see a good bullpen performance for two games in three days. I'll take 7IP and 1ER anytime. Except in a tie game, sure.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 14, 2016 12:22:03 GMT -5
I'll take 7IP and 1ER anytime. Except in a tie game, sure. If that happens and you lose, the problem wasn't with the bullpen. To me, the most interesting thing from yesterday's game was Kelly's performance. He continues to look overpowering, with decent control of a 100 mph fastball and a very sharp breaking ball. The Orioles announcers were impressed. He seems obviously a guy for the post-season roster and possibly one you put in high-leverage situations in the postseason. If so, that's huge.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 14, 2016 12:42:18 GMT -5
My major gripe with Farrell yesterday was that he let Hanigan bat in the 6th inning with one out. There's no way Hanigan should have gotten that AB. If they're losing anytime after the fifth inning or so, given that they have four catchers on the rosters and enough guys to pinch-hit, that they shouldn't have to bat a guy who is clearly washed up.
Beyond that the Red Sox simply didn't hit. They popped up a lot of pitches yesterday. And now they find themselves needing a crucial victory tonight the way they did on Sunday. They were holding off the Jays that day and a win tonight would push Baltimore back to 3 GB instead of them being just 1 game out.
I hope the Red Sox have the Rick Porcello offense going tonight.
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 14, 2016 12:44:15 GMT -5
Still in 1st.
Still up 2 games.
I'll take it.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2016 13:38:28 GMT -5
TB up 6-1 in top of 7th. Donaldson getting an MRI on a bad hip. We need to get rid of the Orioles threat to the division tonight.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2016 13:54:07 GMT -5
Wow, Ben C being named president of baseball ops for Blue Jays.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 14, 2016 14:04:21 GMT -5
I'll maintain the opinion of stating that if the Sox want a real shot at a deep playoff run, they have to win the division. Otherwise this team's number one weakness in John Farrell will be exposed in a one game wild card play-off. Any actual deficiencies a team has are less likely to be exposed in a one-game playoff. That's why one game playoffs aren't really fair. Of course, even if they won a play-in they'd still be in the same position as if they won the division, so yeah, of course their best chance to win is by winning the division. Still, I don't want to see the damage Farrell can do in that one game play-off game. He will probably try to throw in Barnes in the highest leverage situation of the game or something baffling like that.
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Post by jmei on Sept 14, 2016 14:08:03 GMT -5
Wow, Ben C being named president of baseball ops for Blue Jays. Not president, he'll be named vice-president of baseball operations. His main role will be player development, which is really his forte.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 14, 2016 14:14:58 GMT -5
Wow, Ben C being named president of baseball ops for Blue Jays. Not president, he'll be named vice-president of baseball operations. His main role will be player development, which is really his forte. Good for him, but maybe bad for the Sox. He's good at that job; this Red Sox team is largely his creation.
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