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Post by nomar on Sept 20, 2016 12:44:56 GMT -5
Mike Trout is very likely reaching 60 bWAR before he turns 26. I think some people underrate just how ridiculous he is. On pace to be one of the 5 greatest players of all time.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 20, 2016 13:06:00 GMT -5
Mike Trout is very likely reaching 60 bWAR before he turns 26. I think some people underrate just how ridiculous he is. 60 bWAR before age 26 should just be labeled 60 wtfWAR and be done with it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2016 13:22:36 GMT -5
yeah...it's too bad he went 1 for 12 in his only playoff appearance...just curious was that a negative WAR performance?
On to important matters....we stomp on Manny Machismo and the Ori-blows again tonight. ERod pitches like the deserved CY winner...Rick Porcello...and we continue on the journey.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 20, 2016 13:55:19 GMT -5
Just because a few sports writers have translated "Most Valuable Player" to mean "Most Valuable Player on a contending team" doesn't mean it's accurate. Trout is the most valuable player in baseball no matter how bad the team is that surrounds him. You're stranded on a desert island. Which one of these things is more valuable? 1) $400 worth of food and water 2) $500 in cash There is a perfectly ordinary meaning of the word "valuable" that includes context. That's the meaning that most (not a few) BBWA voters have used throughout the years. The Angels' season was a disaster with or without Trout; he was cash on a desert island. I do agree with the notion that Mike Trout should retire with a room full of trophies. There should be a single, prestigious, player of the year award, for all of MLB, separate from the two MVP awards. Name it after Ruth. I agree that the marginal value of wins should be considered, but that only goes so far. Players not on playoff teams should be considered for the award otherwise in many years the results will be ludicrous. And prior to 1969 (when there was nothing before the Workd Series), the award could have only gone to players from two teams.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 20, 2016 14:24:15 GMT -5
If it were up to Dan Plesac, Zach Britton would win the Fireman of the Year, Cy Young, and MVP this year.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2016 14:25:12 GMT -5
You're stranded on a desert island. Which one of these things is more valuable? 1) $400 worth of food and water 2) $500 in cash There is a perfectly ordinary meaning of the word "valuable" that includes context. That's the meaning that most (not a few) BBWA voters have used throughout the years. The Angels' season was a disaster with or without Trout; he was cash on a desert island. I do agree with the notion that Mike Trout should retire with a room full of trophies. There should be a single, prestigious, player of the year award, for all of MLB, separate from the two MVP awards. Name it after Ruth. I agree that the marginal value of wins should be considered, but that only goes so far. Players not on playoff teams should be considered for the award otherwise in many years the results will be ludicrous. And prior to 1969 (when there was nothing before the Workd Series), the award could have only gone to players from two teams. So that's why Joe Dimagio beat out Ted Williams in 1941!
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 20, 2016 14:29:29 GMT -5
yeah...it's too bad he went 1 for 12 in his only playoff appearance...just curious was that a negative WAR performance? Maybe. Just like Ted Williams going 5 for 30 without an extra-base hit in his only playoff appearance really showed what an unclutch stiff he was.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2016 14:29:30 GMT -5
Mike Trout is very likely reaching 60 bWAR before he turns 26. I think some people underrate just how ridiculous he is. On pace to be one of the 5 greatest players of all time. Let's see how he holds up. I bet he doesn't put up 9.7 fWAR at age 39 like Ted Williams did.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 20, 2016 15:09:49 GMT -5
yeah...it's too bad he went 1 for 12 in his only playoff appearance...just curious was that a negative WAR performance? Maybe. Just like Ted Williams going 5 for 30 without an extra-base hit in his only playoff appearance really showed what an unclutch stiff he was. Maybe. But he was a Red Sox and flew jets, so I am gonna say no.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 20, 2016 15:12:26 GMT -5
Karl Malone once won an MVP award when Michael Jordan was still in his prime. That may be why Mookie wins this year. Trout could win literally every year for the next 6-7 years ... voters are going to come up with reasons to vote for someone else to avoid "boredom," although "ohmygod we are witnessing a guy who could plausibly end up as the greatest baseball players to ever play the game" isn't all that boring to me.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 20, 2016 15:15:49 GMT -5
Buuuuut ... back to the series: this has to be the game the Sox are least likely to win this series, right? Gausman has suddenly decided to be an excellent pitcher, and ERod has been pretty inconsistent.
Which will make the win that much sweeter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2016 15:19:24 GMT -5
Buuuuut ... back to the series: this has to be the game the Sox are least likely to win this series, right? Gausman has suddenly decided to be an excellent pitcher, and ERod has been pretty inconsistent. Which will make the win that much sweeter. I think Gausman is due for a cluncker where he leaves too many pitches in the middle of the plate. The Sox have gotten to Gausman before, they just need to be more aggressive when Gausman is throwing strikes early in the count if that's the case.
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Post by jchang on Sept 20, 2016 15:24:13 GMT -5
TBH, I am a bit concerned about tonight. E-Rod and Pomz haven't looked good. I actually have more confidence in Buchholz at this point. Can we throw a "bullpen day" on Pomz' next start? Even if E-Rod gives up 5 or 6 runs tonight, hopefully he can give us 5 or 6 IP. I have concerns too, but I think we should let E-Rod and Pom start, but only pitch until they show signs of trouble, so kind of like a bullpen game, where each pitches but get substituted out on trouble. If we win tonight or tomorrow, I would even like to defer Price until Tue against MFY. or perhaps have Price pitch Sat against Tampa, then 5 starts later against Toronto on Fri, Porcello may or may not pitch Sun against Tampa, then the Sat game against Toronto. Of course, if we can lock up the division + home field, before, then bull pen Toronto
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 20, 2016 15:26:03 GMT -5
Having just seeing him (Gausman) last week won't hurt. I believe that should help the hitters more than it would help the pitcher.?.
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Post by MLBDreams on Sept 20, 2016 16:10:39 GMT -5
Come on , John Farrell for giving day off to Dustin Pedroia. He batted .300 against Kevin Gausman. He won't insert Benny into the line up either. Chris Young been cool off since 4 for 4 on Sept 12th and went 1 for 3 against Gausman from last week. Did Marco Harnandez hit well against Kevin in the minor levels?
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Post by nomar on Sept 20, 2016 16:16:53 GMT -5
Farrell will never fully understand that when a platoon hitter succeeds in his platoon role, all is going according to plan, not that the platoon hitter needs to play every day.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Sept 20, 2016 16:30:47 GMT -5
Come on , John Farrell for giving day off to Dustin Pedroia. He batted .300 against Kevin Gausman. He won't insert Benny into the line up either. Chris Young been cool off since 4 for 4 on Sept 12th and went 1 for 3 against Gausman from last week. Did Marco Harnandez hit well against Kevin in the minor levels? To be fair to JF, Pedey has looked a bit gassed these last few games. I noticed last night after he beat out that double play ball, I thought he was hurt.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2016 16:42:00 GMT -5
I hope that wearing the players out doesn't become an issue though I think it already has. It's something that really needs to be changed next year, hopefully by rotating DHs.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 20, 2016 16:48:46 GMT -5
Try the "Red Sox trade Margot et al. for Craig Kimbrel" thread. Or just do a search for all of deepjohn's posts. Even those. Like, take deepjohn's assertion that Kopech is an average-to-above major league starter right now. Who is an average major league starting pitcher... Tom Koehler? Late-career Adam Wainwright? The difference between Kopech and one of those dudes is much smaller than the difference between Mike Trout and a player who isn't taken as a real threat. Trout already has a higher career bWAR than Joey Votto and Evan Longoria. I'm talking more about claims like "Margot was only highly rated because he is a right-handed power hitter and his prospect status has declined because he's not hitting enough bombs".
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 20, 2016 17:13:53 GMT -5
Re Pedey's nite off - per Scott Lauber
"Dustin Pedroia has been dealing with a sore left knee since he twisted while making a play recently in a game at Toronto. He's expected to return to the Red Sox lineup tomorrow, according to manager John Farrell, after sitting out tonight to get treatment."
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Post by templeusox on Sept 20, 2016 17:19:54 GMT -5
Chris Young?
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Post by p23w on Sept 20, 2016 17:23:51 GMT -5
yeah...it's too bad he went 1 for 12 in his only playoff appearance...just curious was that a negative WAR performance? Maybe. Just like Ted Williams going 5 for 30 without an extra-base hit in his only playoff appearance really showed what an unclutch stiff he was. You do realize that Ted was coming off an elbow fracture and not fully functional for his lone playoff appearance, right?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 20, 2016 17:39:24 GMT -5
Farrell is alternating Young and Benintendi... Hoping maybe Benintendi gets Tillman on Thursday though in such a big game we need the lefty bat.
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 20, 2016 17:42:01 GMT -5
So if we take 2 out of the next 3 the division is essentially clinched, no?
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Post by jchang on Sept 20, 2016 18:06:48 GMT -5
I like tomorrow's match up, buch vs. Jimenez
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