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9/23-9/25 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 25, 2016 16:21:54 GMT -5
It's looking more and more like the DS will open at Fenway. RS now lead the Tribe by a game and hold the tiebreaker. Texas is getting psated by the A's, so we'll be tied with them too. But they hold the tiebreaker over us. We might actually be better off with the second spot. I'll take my chances against the Franconas with their pitching being as beat up as it is.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 25, 2016 16:32:18 GMT -5
Just read a Tweet from Brian MacPherson : "two more strikeouts for Shaw today. He's hitting .163 with a .204 OBP and 12 strikeouts in his last 54 plate appearances." I knew it's been bad, but i didn't realize it was that bad. Well, if 12 strikeouts in his last 54 PA's is correct, that isn't all that horrendous. The rest of it, though ..... I'm presuming then that his BABIP is terrible as well. That is supposed to eventually autocorrect to some extent.
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Post by bosox on Sept 25, 2016 16:58:08 GMT -5
It's looking more and more like the DS will open at Fenway. RS now lead the Tribe by a game and hold the tiebreaker. Texas is getting psated by the A's, so we'll be tied with them too. But they hold the tiebreaker over us. We might actually be better off with the second spot. I'll take my chances against the Franconas with their pitching being as beat up as it is. Assuming the Jays beat the O's or Tigers in the one-game WC, I'd prefer not to have to play the Jays two series in a week.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 25, 2016 17:01:50 GMT -5
It's not even who am I afraid of facing in the playoffs, I just want a Rangers-Blue Jays showdown! that would be a glorious series.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 25, 2016 17:06:52 GMT -5
It's a shame Joe Kelly gets no love. Some are shocked that he was allowed to continue into the last inning. The only thing that matters is that the manager has confidence in him. Go, Joe!
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 25, 2016 17:13:30 GMT -5
Just read a Tweet from Brian MacPherson : "two more strikeouts for Shaw today. He's hitting .163 with a .204 OBP and 12 strikeouts in his last 54 plate appearances." I knew it's been bad, but i didn't realize it was that bad. Well, if 12 strikeouts in his last 54 PA's is correct, that isn't all that horrendous. The rest of it, though ..... I'm presuming then that his BABIP is terrible as well. That is supposed to eventually autocorrect to some extent. Perhaps Farrell's remarks about the Panda are not so far fetched after all.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 25, 2016 17:25:06 GMT -5
Texas is down big. Looks like we'll be tied for 1st in the AL, 1.5 ahead of Cleveland.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 25, 2016 17:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 25, 2016 17:46:51 GMT -5
Reset for the final week:
BOS/TEX tied (TEX wins the tiebreaker based on division record if BOS wins 1-4 of its final six games; if BOS wins five of six, then they go to the next tiebreaker (intraleague games); if both teams win out, then BOS wins the tiebreaker)
CLE -1.5 (BOS wins the tiebreaker based on head-to-head)
MON: CLE@DET (Kluber), MIL@TEX (Perez), BOS off TUES: CLE@DET (Clevinger), MIL@TEX (Griffin), BOS@MFY (Price) WED: CLE@DET (Bauer), MIL@TEX (Hamels), BOS@MFY (Buchholz) THURS: CLE@DET (Anderson), TEX off, BOS@MFY (Pomeranz) FRI: CLE@KC (Tomlin), TB@TEX (Darvish), TOR@BOS (Porcello) SAT: CLE@KC (Kluber), TB@TEX (Lewis), TOR@BOS (Rodriguez) SUN: CLE@KC (Clevinger), TB@TEX (Perez), TOR@BOS (Price)
ALDS begins the following Thursday, with Porcello and Price pitching games 1 and 2.
Edit: Changed rotation order.
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Post by jchang on Sept 25, 2016 18:03:37 GMT -5
I think Price will pitch tune on 5 days rest, allowing him to potentially pitch the last game against Toronto. But not if we hav clinched. If both price and Porcello pitch against mfy, and we clinch, the both can rest for the playoffs. of course, mlb lists price for both game 1 and 2, price is such a work horse
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2016 18:21:17 GMT -5
Most strikeouts in a 10-inning game by a staff, old record: 21, by the 1966 Indians. Sam McDowell had 14 in 6 IP. They got to 19 in regulation when El Tiante, pitching in relief, fanned the side, and he added two more in the 10th.
Most in an 11-inning (or less) game, ditto. The 12-inning game record was 22, by the '05 Marlins. They had 18 in regulation.
In 2005 the Astros had 12 strikeouts in regulation and got 11 more in 6.1 extra innings, including 6 by Lidge in 3 innings of work and 4 by Billy Wagner in 2 IP.
So 23 strikeouts in 10 innings by a staff is off the charts.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2016 18:52:48 GMT -5
11=2. We are watching history and it feels great. Sweep 3 division rivals..2 on the road...in September, won't see this very often.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2016 18:58:14 GMT -5
I have no idea if Vazquez is just framing great or this umpire is the worst of all time. I have no idea if Vazquez is just framing great or this umpire is the worst of all time. Little of both I think, haha. Didn't know Hembree had 97 in him. Sox defense must be bored. My own scorecard, based on what they show on the K zone, had Vazquez stealing 7 strikes without getting squeezed, while Maile stole 5 or 6 but got squeezed 4 times. Brooks' Pitch/fx tool and player search are down right now, so I'll add that version later.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2016 18:59:14 GMT -5
There are many ways to measure the pitching dominance of the Red Sox in Sunday's 3-2, 10-inning win over the Rays at Tropicana Field.
The 23 strikeouts recorded, a club record. The 21 recorded in the first nine innings, a Major League record. The 11 straight strikeouts recorded in 11 consecutive plate appearances, also a Major League record. The fact that 17 consecutive outs were recorded via strikeout. The astonishing two-hour and 11-minute drought in between balls put in play.
It's all never been done before. And it all added up the 11th straight win for the Red Sox, moving their magic number to clinch the American League East to two. Boston also moved into a tie with the Rangers for the best record in the AL.
There have only been four other instances in which 23 strikeouts were recorded in an MLB game, and Boston's performance was the first in more than 12 years. The other times it happened, the games lasted 20, 17 and 16 innings, significantly longer than the 10 that the Rays and Red Sox played. m.mlb.com/news/article/203365104/red-sox-set-major-league-strikeout-record/
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Post by azblue on Sept 25, 2016 19:00:29 GMT -5
Outside the box thought: the Sox could piggyback Pomeranz and Rodriguez in the post-season. It might save the bullpen.
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Post by p23w on Sept 25, 2016 19:00:45 GMT -5
It's a shame Joe Kelly gets no love. Some are shocked that he was allowed to continue into the last inning. The only thing that matters is that the manager has confidence in him. Go, Joe! Kelly dialed it up against Longoria. 3 pitches in triple digits. He would have K'd most hitters, but credit Longo for rifling a 100mph pitch to RF. Good piece of hitting.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2016 19:01:15 GMT -5
To be fair, Abad was used a LOOGY there. A LOOGY who has been annihilated by LHB in high leverage throughout his career. And who has actually dominated RHB in low leverage. I'd call him the poster child for the persistence of clutch performance by MLB pitchers in their careers, except it's more like a billboard.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 25, 2016 19:05:21 GMT -5
Now here is the question with us finally catching Texas.
Do we want the #1 seed and to have to face Toronto/Baltimore?
Or would you rather face Cleveland whose pitching is a mess?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2016 19:11:36 GMT -5
Sidenote:
I also happened to have watched Roger Donut's 20 K game and that one was clearly more dominant, no walks. I believe the most dominant game I've ever seen pitched.
Sorry, I don't remember the batter or ump but I remember a funny storyline. At one point in the game, a batter asked the ump where the pitch was. The umpire got everyone laughing with his answer, "I don't know but it sounded like a strike".
ADD: The advantage of facing the wildcard is that they will likely already have used their top pitcher to get there and will have a tough travel day to deal with.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Sept 25, 2016 19:45:01 GMT -5
Most strikeouts in a 10-inning game by a staff, old record: 21, by the 1966 Indians. Sam McDowell had 14 in 6 IP. They got to 19 in regulation when El Tiante, pitching in relief, fanned the side, and he added two more in the 10th. Most in an 11-inning (or less) game, ditto. The 12-inning game record was 22, by the '05 Marlins. They had 18 in regulation. In 2005 the Astros had 12 strikeouts in regulation and got 11 more in 6.1 extra innings, including 6 by Lidge in 3 innings of work and 4 by Billy Wagner in 2 IP. So 23 strikeouts in 10 innings by a staff is off the charts. There should be about 15 asterisks next to the number of strikeouts in today's game. The home plate umpire was worse than some 15 year old umpiring a little league game. At times there seemed to be an extra 8 to 10'inches wider plate. Today's homeplate umpire should be fined and possibly suspended for how bad he he was today.
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Post by tizzle on Sept 25, 2016 19:48:20 GMT -5
I think Price will pitch tune on 5 days rest, allowing him to potentially pitch the last game against Toronto. But not if we hav clinched. If both price and Porcello pitch against mfy, and we clinch, the both can rest for the playoffs. of course, mlb lists price for both game 1 and 2, price is such a work horse If it's me I pitch Price on Tuesday and then Sunday, and I back up Porcello a day to Saturday. That way Porcello goes Saturday and then Thursday in the playoffs. Price Sunday-Friday. They're pitching in the playoffs on normal rest. You can limit them each to like 70 pitches in their last start for some extra rest, but I'd want them in normal rhythm.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2016 20:31:45 GMT -5
Three or four good things happened in today's game in addition to the win:
1) JF finally gave CV a start and CV gave firm evidence that he's obviously one of the two best catchers on the team. Note the way I phrased that.
2) JF needs to be clobbered over the head with obvious realities like "Joe Kelly is one of the three best relievers on the team" (note the way I phrased that, too) before he adapts his strategy to fit them. It's unclear whether he had already decided that, and was saving him for the 9th when he brought in Barnes to pitch the 8th (in which case you wonder why he wasn't planning on a two-inning save for him), but after Kelly's performance tonight I feel confident that Kelly will henceforth by at least an equal option to Ross / Ziegler in the 7th, and clearly ahead of the others in the leverage depth chart.
3) Heath Hembree has had really huge, bad splits by leverage. In his sample size, they are likely to be random, but sometimes those splits are real and will persist through a career (the technical term for this is "Abad pitcher"). Before tonight, I believed that the Sox should not gamble that it was random, and hence trade Hembree and acquire a better arm to fill the last spot in the bullpen. (Why not? They have the resources.) For the time being, I'm reversing my position. The last time he pitched that well in leverage that high? April 24th, when he got the win by shutting out the Astros for 3 IP after Kimbrel had blown the save when he gave up Correa 2B, Rasmus HR with 2 outs, nobody on, and 5-3 lead. And given the winning streak and the pennant race, this situation had pressure disproportionate to its measured leverage (1.21). It's hard to see him as a Bad choker after tonight.
Really, I think all DDo has to do this winter is replace Hill with someone good, re-sign Koji, and pick up two cheap upside relievers and one starter just to make ST interesting.
4) Barnes' subpar outing didn't hurt them and may prompt JF to take a serious look as to whether he or Tazawa should have the last RHR spot in the post-season pen.
Random game comment: I looked at my scorecard after the 4th and saw that the Rays had gone through their entire order, 1 through 9, without anyone putting the ball in play. I couldn't remember the last time I saw that happen. I regret not thinking to myself the obvious corollary ... "I'm not going to see that again for a long time!" Are the Rays the first team ever to go 18 batters without a ball in play? I'm willing to bet that it's never been done 1-9, 1-9 in the order.
Fun with Play Index:
E-Rod becomes the third pitcher in MLB history to fan 13 or more hitters while facing just 22. Kersahw had a 7 1 1 1 1 13 line (the hit being a HR) on 4/15/09, while Mike Fiers had a 6 3 0 0 1 14 line on 8/14/14.
Hembree becomes the 13th pitcher in this century to fan all 5 or 6 batters he faced (no one has ever faced 7 or more batters and fanned them all). But look at when it was done:
2001 2003 2006 2010 2011 2012 (2) 2013 (4) 2015
So that's 10 times this decade already.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 25, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5
It's a shame Joe Kelly gets no love. Some are shocked that he was allowed to continue into the last inning. The only thing that matters is that the manager has confidence in him. Go, Joe! You must have me on "ignore" ... 'cause I've been showering Joe with love since his first appearance after being called up from Pawtucket. The guy is clearly among the top 3 relievers on the team, and may even - given his ability to power through two+ innings - be the best. He's been dominant.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 25, 2016 21:46:15 GMT -5
Reset for the final week: BOS/TEX tied (TEX wins the tiebreaker based on division record if BOS wins 1-4 of its final six games; if BOS wins five of six, then they go to the next tiebreaker (intraleague games); if both teams win out, then BOS wins the tiebreaker) CLE -1.5 (BOS wins the tiebreaker based on head-to-head) MON: CLE@DET (Kluber), MIL@TEX (Perez), BOS offTUES: CLE@DET (Clevinger), MIL@TEX (Griffin), BOS@MFY (Buchholz) WED: CLE@DET (Bauer), MIL@TEX (Hamels), BOS@MFY (Price) THURS: CLE@DET (Anderson), TEX off, BOS@MFY (Pomeranz) FRI: CLE@KC (Tomlin), TB@TEX (Darvish), TOR@BOS (Porcello) SAT: CLE@KC (Kluber), TB@TEX (Lewis), TOR@BOS (Rodriguez) SUN: CLE@KC (Clevinger), TB@TEX (Perez), TOR@BOS (Buchholz) ALDS begins the following Thursday. Isn't Price pitching Tuesday, opening him up for potentially being available the final game vs Toronto?
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Post by telson13 on Sept 25, 2016 21:46:17 GMT -5
It's a shame Joe Kelly gets no love. Some are shocked that he was allowed to continue into the last inning. The only thing that matters is that the manager has confidence in him. Go, Joe! You must have me on "ignore" ... 'cause I've been showering Joe with love since his first appearance after being called up from Pawtucket. The guy is clearly among the top 3 relievers on the team, and may even - given his ability to power through two+ innings - be the best. He's been dominant. What's going to be really interesting is what teams offer them for him next trade deadline, if he keeps this up. Or do they trade Kimbrel and use Kelly to close? Or keep them both? And here plenty of people wanted to give him away for a bag of balls three months ago...
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