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Post by James Dunne on Mar 10, 2017 21:09:29 GMT -5
That analogy would work better if there was a World Series of Homes you could win the first few years of that high-risk scenario. If the Red Sox win in, say, 2017 or 2019 it will reduce some of the sting if they stink in 2021. It's hard to find an upside that would be worth a reasonable chance you'll be foreclosed upon in five years.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 10, 2017 22:02:05 GMT -5
Also, the point about Travis is that he may not hit sufficiently to even be average. He's got significant risk attached regarding his ability to be a useful MLBer at all (even a backup) because his defense is fringy at best. If he doesn't hit, or improve his defense dramatically, he may not have any MLB role, because he's got no other position. A Moncada or Kopech "bust" is useful 4th OF/pinch runner/utility player or solid 7th/8th inning arm, respectively. Not AAAA player like Travis. That's not uber-team building, that's player development perspective. Personally, I think Travis will hit (I think his power may show up late), but the idea is not to have most of your prospects be high-risk or low-ceiling. You want guys who can fail to reach their full potential but still provide value (a recent example being somebody like Javy Baez).
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Post by telson13 on Mar 10, 2017 22:19:29 GMT -5
That analogy would work better if there was a World Series of Homes you could win the first few years of that high-risk scenario. If the Red Sox win in, say, 2017 or 2019 it will reduce some of the sting if they stink in 2021. It's hard to find an upside that would be worth a reasonable chance you'll be foreclosed upon in five years. The analogy is that, for three years you live the high life and (if you're into that sort of thing) get to impress your friends and house guests. You get to enjoy luxury you might not again. But you do it at substantial risk of having to downgrade for many years rather than upgrade for many years. Think about all the incredible caterwauling on here about 2014-2015. People forgot almost immediately about 2013. That reduced sting (and I agree that it "should," but would argue that for most it doesn't) is extremely short for the "what have you done for me lately?" crowd. I'm actually optimistic about some of their prospects and I don't think a collapse is likely, but I do think a fall back to semi-contending mediocrity (say, '98-'03 or '87-'90) is the likeliest outcome. I'd have liked to see them show more patience, because I truly believed that they were a legitimate contender without Sale, and a likely powerhouse for a long time had they been in play for Otani, Harper, Machado, Kershaw, etc. while breaking in their own high-end talent. I think the best method (and DD *sort* of did this with Shaw, which I liked) is to build redundancy within the system and then trade selected veterans for prospects when your own internal prospects (like Devers) are close. This renews the prospect pool and keeps salaries low at enough positions to be able to spend (high-end FAs to fill unmet internal needs) and extend (young homegrown players or acquisitions who look like cornerstones). It's Theo's $100M player development machine...late 2000s TB with three times the budget.
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Post by soxjim on Mar 11, 2017 0:16:42 GMT -5
The whole the Red Sox preferred Devers to Moncada canard has already been thoroughly debunked; man, this Dombrowski bubble is worse than the Trump one You're right about Devers vs Moncada. I was wrong. I thought it was but I checked and I took it wrong.
With that said, I'm very excited overall by the moves of last year and this year. I do think they moved a bit too fast overall and I think trading Clay without getting another decent starter is way too risky. Erod and Pomz can't pitch a whole season giving decent inning. Price and Wright with injuries. IMO real dumb. Didn't have to stretch for Thornie, didn't have to sign Abad nor Moreland (would still have Shaw).
But nothing could make most Sox fans happier than to have had a chance to win it all last year and have it probably for another 5. I think most fans would agree -- to watch a team win a lot and do it for several years is much more exciting than waiting . . . and waiting . . . and waiting . . . And then we still needed pitching badly which we all know the organization was pathetic with. And if you want to win championships, you do need some form of quality pitching. DD has now gone out and got it. What kindof baseball would we have ben watching without getting more pitching. As much as I dislike Kimbrel a bit and we overpaid he was still was pretty good. We did miss Koji for a lot of the season. And Tazawa melted down from overuse imo. Our manager was stubborn not using Ross etc. We would have had no shot without the pickups. Again-- most fans want a shot. A minority imo is pleased with just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
Though I think between DD and the owner they've been a bit too desperate chasing high cost relief pitchers whose quality or style of pitching is questionable. I am all for paying high prices but for example I am not a fan of Kimbrel in addition to what we gave up for someone like him. Though i understand it. Conversely, the starters moves other than losing Clay without a replacement have been solid. Especially Sale. It will be pleasure over the several years watching my team win a lot instead of that grabge product we have had to witness overall in 2014 and 2015 knowing the way the team was constructed - without pitching we weren't much. The heck with the waiting.
And to think that after 2019 we would have just stood still and let most of the team go- is imo very naive. Expect some trades in which a some good players will be traded.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 11, 2017 3:04:05 GMT -5
The "5 year plan" arguably rests on the hands of Shohei Otani this off-season imo.
The power shifts in baseball to whatever 4 big teams (between the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers) that signs him (that's if he truly becomes a free agent and isn't subject to the new international minor league free agent rules). Think about it. If he goes to the Yankees, they get their young ACE they lack in their system. The Yankees can build around him for years with all the young players they have coming up from the system on their team. If he goes to the Cubs, he goes to one of the best young teams in baseball. If he goes to the Sox, Sale, Price, Otani, Eduardo Rodriguez and a young core. If he goes to the Dodgers, Kershaw, Urias, Otani, Hill, Seager, Turner, Bellinger.
If he's available, the Sox need to do everything in their power to get him or at least keep him away from the Yankees. Trade Porcello and his salary if you need to make room. Tons of teams will take him if he comes close to last year in terms of production and you could reload the farm system by doing so.
No one could tell me that the Sox are going to stink in 4 years if Otani is here. This is the key free agent in the next 5 years or so. This and extending players like Sale, Mookie, Xander, and Benintendi is key for future success.
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Post by ryan24 on Mar 11, 2017 6:57:22 GMT -5
Your 3 year window thing is like forecasting the weather out 6 weeks. WAY TOO MANY variables. I doubt the ownership is going to let DD stand pat and not be competitive. Who knows maybe DD gets Manny M Maybe he trades for trout. Maybe moncada is a star? Maybe he's a bust bust? If this is a poker game I like the cards we have to play. Did we lose some young UNPROVED prospects YES. So we are trying to win a big pot in front of us instead of hoping and waiting for a big pot 3 or 4 hands from now.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 11, 2017 19:51:45 GMT -5
The "5 year plan" arguably rests on the hands of Shohei Otani this off-season imo. The power shifts in baseball to whatever 4 big teams (between the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers) that signs him (that's if he truly becomes a free agent and isn't subject to the new international minor league free agent rules). Think about it. If he goes to the Yankees, they get their young ACE they lack in their system. The Yankees can build around him for years with all the young players they have coming up from the system on their team. If he goes to the Cubs, he goes to one of the best young teams in baseball. If he goes to the Sox, Sale, Price, Otani, Eduardo Rodriguez and a young core. If he goes to the Dodgers, Kershaw, Urias, Otani, Hill, Seager, Turner, Bellinger. If he's available, the Sox need to do everything in their power to get him or at least keep him away from the Yankees. Trade Porcello and his salary if you need to make room. Tons of teams will take him if he comes close to last year in terms of production and you could reload the farm system by doing so. No one could tell me that the Sox are going to stink in 4 years if Otani is here. This is the key free agent in the next 5 years or so. This and extending players like Sale, Mookie, Xander, and Benintendi is key for future success. Why would Otani's team post him when he may not have even reached his peak yet, he's affordable and he's Japan's biggest star?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 11, 2017 20:03:45 GMT -5
There have been reports that Otani could be posted next year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 11, 2017 22:07:27 GMT -5
The "5 year plan" arguably rests on the hands of Shohei Otani this off-season imo. The power shifts in baseball to whatever 4 big teams (between the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers) that signs him (that's if he truly becomes a free agent and isn't subject to the new international minor league free agent rules). Think about it. If he goes to the Yankees, they get their young ACE they lack in their system. The Yankees can build around him for years with all the young players they have coming up from the system on their team. If he goes to the Cubs, he goes to one of the best young teams in baseball. If he goes to the Sox, Sale, Price, Otani, Eduardo Rodriguez and a young core. If he goes to the Dodgers, Kershaw, Urias, Otani, Hill, Seager, Turner, Bellinger. If he's available, the Sox need to do everything in their power to get him or at least keep him away from the Yankees. Trade Porcello and his salary if you need to make room. Tons of teams will take him if he comes close to last year in terms of production and you could reload the farm system by doing so. No one could tell me that the Sox are going to stink in 4 years if Otani is here. This is the key free agent in the next 5 years or so. This and extending players like Sale, Mookie, Xander, and Benintendi is key for future success. A couple of things: 1) The team could stink with Otani on it. I mean the Angels stink and they have the best player in baseball on it. The question is who will be on the team besides Otani if they were to sign him, which I would be very surprised if they do, although I do agree, of all the free agents, including that class of 2018-19, he's the one I'd love to see the Sox sign above all others. (And for the record, no I don't think the Red Sox will necessarily stink come 2020 - 2022. I agree with Telson that the Sox will probably be competitive but not necessarily top tier. It's not that hard to imagine the Yankees passing them in the division and the Red Sox being one of those 87 win Wild Card type teams by then.) 2) Bogaerts and Bradley most likely won't be extended. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to do so. In JBJ's case you're talking about a guy who will be on the wrong side of 30 who has a lot of his value wrapped up in his defense. I don't think he'll be somebody the Red Sox will invest huge bucks in. And as far as Bogaerts goes, he's at best serviceable as a SS. Hard to imagine he will last much beyond 2019 as a SS. It's pretty easy to see him morphing into one of the better hitting 3b in the league. But if Devers or Dalbec become solid players, 3b will pretty much be spoken for and the need to spend huge bucks on Bogaerts lessens. The Sox should go after Betts as he makes the most sense as somebody to wrap up long term as he can play CF, RF, or even 2b if need be and his hit tool is fantastic. As far as wrapping up Sale or Porcello, I could see one of them being signed, but I'd be surprised if the Porcello they try to sign resembles the Porcello we saw in 2016. He's a really good pitcher but 2016 might have been his career year. And with Sale, you never know if that delivery will catch up to him. In other words, if you're going to shell out $250 on a pitcher you better hope he's going to be relatively healthy and effective during that contract. I'm sure they'll sign one of those hitters and probably one of those pitchers and they'll probably have to spend money on others because by 2020 I don't anticipate that the farm system will be percolating the way it has been over the past few years.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 11, 2017 22:14:50 GMT -5
The "5 year plan" arguably rests on the hands of Shohei Otani this off-season imo. The power shifts in baseball to whatever 4 big teams (between the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers) that signs him (that's if he truly becomes a free agent and isn't subject to the new international minor league free agent rules). Think about it. If he goes to the Yankees, they get their young ACE they lack in their system. The Yankees can build around him for years with all the young players they have coming up from the system on their team. If he goes to the Cubs, he goes to one of the best young teams in baseball. If he goes to the Sox, Sale, Price, Otani, Eduardo Rodriguez and a young core. If he goes to the Dodgers, Kershaw, Urias, Otani, Hill, Seager, Turner, Bellinger. If he's available, the Sox need to do everything in their power to get him or at least keep him away from the Yankees. Trade Porcello and his salary if you need to make room. Tons of teams will take him if he comes close to last year in terms of production and you could reload the farm system by doing so. No one could tell me that the Sox are going to stink in 4 years if Otani is here. This is the key free agent in the next 5 years or so. This and extending players like Sale, Mookie, Xander, and Benintendi is key for future success. I agree that getting big prospects value for a starter and signing Otani would be a start. But you're still looking at a salary crunch unless you move Sale or Price. Otherwise, you're talking about $90M annually for three starters.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2017 2:43:05 GMT -5
Sale's 2018 option is $12.5m, 2019 option $13.5m. Half a million less than the two Buchholz' options.
Porcello's AAV is $20.5m, Price $31m. Even assuming no trade or opt out, you would have 4 starters in the 90m range, not 3.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 12, 2017 2:47:50 GMT -5
In an ideal world, Price opts out of his deal, which gives the Sox the flexibility to sign Sale to an extension/new deal
Not sure what Price would have to do to opt out, but salaries are already bumping up, so if he puts together two good seasons, a 5/125 offer certainly wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility
Also, I think they'll end up blowing past the CBA levels eventually. If Otani is the guy that makes it worth it, you take that leap now, in particular because it keeps him away from NY and the Cubs
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2017 2:54:26 GMT -5
In an ideal world, Price opts out of his deal, which gives the Sox the flexibility to sign Sale to an extension/new deal Not sure what Price would have to do to opt out, but salaries are already bumping up, so if he puts together two good seasons, a 5/125 offer certainly wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility Also, I think they'll end up blowing past the CBA levels eventually. If Otani is the guy that makes it worth it, you take that leap now, in particular because it keeps him away from NY and the Cubs At that point, Price would have 4/127 remaining. 5/125 isn't going to lure him into an opt out. It should be noted though that in the original negotiation, Price didn't want an opt out, it was the Red Sox that insisted on it.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 12, 2017 3:41:38 GMT -5
I totally forgot it was a 7 year deal, not 6. Probably going to take 5/150 or 6/175 or something for a 33-year-old. A 2015 caliber season in '18 might get him there, who knows
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 4:08:39 GMT -5
I totally forgot it was a 7 year deal, not 6. Probably going to take 5/150 or 6/175 or something for a 33-year-old. A 2015 caliber season in '18 might get him there, who knows Greinke got 6/196 at the same age Price will be when has a option out clause, so it's easy to see why Price will opt out if he stays healthy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 4:15:37 GMT -5
In an ideal world, Price opts out of his deal, which gives the Sox the flexibility to sign Sale to an extension/new deal Not sure what Price would have to do to opt out, but salaries are already bumping up, so if he puts together two good seasons, a 5/125 offer certainly wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility Also, I think they'll end up blowing past the CBA levels eventually. If Otani is the guy that makes it worth it, you take that leap now, in particular because it keeps him away from NY and the Cubs At that point, Price would have 4/127 remaining. 5/125 isn't going to lure him into an opt out. It should be noted though that in the original negotiation, Price didn't want an opt out, it was the Red Sox that insisted on it. www.overthemonster.com/2016/2/26/11120316/david-price-red-sox-opt-out-contractWas Price's agent that wanted opt out, not Red Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2017 4:24:38 GMT -5
That article says "His agent is likely the one who got that opt-out put in". I recall an article that was about why the Sox wanted an opt out in his contract. I'll see if I can find it but, not an issue worth spending a whole lot of time searching because it confirms my point that it wasn't Price who wanted it.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2017 4:35:11 GMT -5
For a quick check, I didn't find the one specific to who added it but saw several that alluded to it like this from Fangraphs: "There’s no better argument for this then the fact that the contract Price actually got was cheaper than our calculator estimates. It looks like the Red Sox got as much as $24 million off the asking Price for adding in the opt-out, so they got money for their efforts." www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-value-of-the-opt-out-clause-in-the-david-price-contract/
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 4:50:31 GMT -5
For a quick check, I didn't find the one specific to who added it but saw several that alluded to it like this from Fangraphs: "There’s no better argument for this then the fact that the contract Price actually got was cheaper than our calculator estimates. It looks like the Red Sox got as much as $24 million off the asking Price for adding in the opt-out, so they got money for their efforts." www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-value-of-the-opt-out-clause-in-the-david-price-contract/That article makes it clear Price's agent wanted opt out and Red Sox got him to sign a slightly smaller deal in total dollars for agreeing to include opt out. That article doesn't allude that it was Red Sox that wanted to include opt out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 5:39:52 GMT -5
The "5 year plan" arguably rests on the hands of Shohei Otani this off-season imo. The power shifts in baseball to whatever 4 big teams (between the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and Dodgers) that signs him (that's if he truly becomes a free agent and isn't subject to the new international minor league free agent rules). Think about it. If he goes to the Yankees, they get their young ACE they lack in their system. The Yankees can build around him for years with all the young players they have coming up from the system on their team. If he goes to the Cubs, he goes to one of the best young teams in baseball. If he goes to the Sox, Sale, Price, Otani, Eduardo Rodriguez and a young core. If he goes to the Dodgers, Kershaw, Urias, Otani, Hill, Seager, Turner, Bellinger. If he's available, the Sox need to do everything in their power to get him or at least keep him away from the Yankees. Trade Porcello and his salary if you need to make room. Tons of teams will take him if he comes close to last year in terms of production and you could reload the farm system by doing so. No one could tell me that the Sox are going to stink in 4 years if Otani is here. This is the key free agent in the next 5 years or so. This and extending players like Sale, Mookie, Xander, and Benintendi is key for future success. I agree that getting big prospects value for a starter and signing Otani would be a start. But you're still looking at a salary crunch unless you move Sale or Price. Otherwise, you're talking about $90M annually for three starters. True but 2 of those pitchers would be presumably still the best in baseball (in Otani and Sale) and you still have Eduardo and Wright around. Not to mention the Price opt out that is in major play here. That's 32 million gone aav wise right there. I just personally think Otani is the key to all of this. The only 2 good choices is if he signs somewhere in the NL or signs with the Sox. Otani is the best prospect in the world. I'd take him over Benintendi, Moncada, Torres, anyone really. The interesting thing is that if he comes here, he still wants to hit and pitch. If he could hit at a proficient rate, he'd be the most valuable player in baseball. Even better than Trout. The good news is the NL supports hitting and the Dodgers have room in the outfield if he wants to play there on his non pitching days. The bad news is the Yankees could always DH him and disregard the DH rule when he pitches. The Sox wouldn't have any room on this team to hit really, so if that's his main reason for wanting to come here, then the Sox won't have much of a chance of signing him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 12, 2017 5:42:45 GMT -5
For a quick check, I didn't find the one specific to who added it but saw several that alluded to it like this from Fangraphs: "There’s no better argument for this then the fact that the contract Price actually got was cheaper than our calculator estimates. It looks like the Red Sox got as much as $24 million off the asking Price for adding in the opt-out, so they got money for their efforts." www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-value-of-the-opt-out-clause-in-the-david-price-contract/That article makes it clear Price's agent wanted opt out and Red Sox got him to sign a slightly smaller deal in total dollars for agreeing to include opt out. That article doesn't allude that it was Red Sox that wanted to include opt out. I'm not sure where you get that but whatever turns your crank, it's a non issue.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 6:43:56 GMT -5
Did we trade Devers and Groome? In 2019 you could have Benintendi, Devers, Groome and Travis all in majors and playing for peanuts. Nevermind players like Swihart finally reaching his potential. We won't be able to keep everyone, but we can keep the majority of team. Going from 5 top 100 prospects to 3 doesn't kill our future like you think. The idea we need a top 5 system with all the great young talent we have in majors is just so far fetched. It was a luxury not a necessity. I don't count Benintendi, he's the starting LF. He's a "prospect" only as a technicality. I've gone over the finances previously; they're going to lose at least two and possibly three of Sale, Porcello, Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley. They're also going to need a replacement for Hanley and possibly Pedroia. For a guy who talks about the uncertainty around prospects, you're putting a lot of stock in a low-A 18 y/o pitcher, a high-A 3b, and a 1b who is coming off of major injury and hasn't yet shown the offensive profile to play there in MLB. They didn't just go from 5 to 3, they also lost Dubon, Basabe, and Diaz, each of whom had potential as role players (the kinds of guys that cost $5M per year like Moreland or Young do). You've got a lot of ifs and buts there. For example, in 2019 they're supposed to contend, right? But Sale and Porcello are FAs after the season. So's Bradley if I recall. And they'll need to extend Mookie and Bogey. So they either play out the string and let some of those guys leave via FA, or they trade them. That's going to either dramatically affect the 2019 or 2020 team, pick your poison. And Pedroia's not going to be around forever. Maybe they move Mookie to 2b...now they need an OF. They should be very good for three years. After that, there's going to be some major turnover. You, like a lot of others, seem to think Sale's addition is the end-all, be-all. Well, what does that mean about his subtraction? Or Porcello's? Sure, if everything breaks right, they'll be fine. If a lot of things break wrong, they'll be 2014 again. But the likeliest outcome is a fall back to the pack, just like the current Tigers. I'd have preferred they took a shot this year without Sale and dipped into FA so that they could keep their cheap talent. Talent that, btw, wasn't "top-100", but largely top-30 or so. There's a huge difference. In the past 15 months, they've lost Margot, Espinoza, Kopech, and Moncada. The players they got in return have a 2-3 year shelf life. That's their *most likely* window, barring some tough trades and/or exceptional player development luck. I'm on record saying I wouldn't make Sale trade. So I certainly don't think it's an end all, be all type thing. There are many different ways to build teams. You want the player development model, with a huge stacked system. Not that that's a bad model, but when you reach the Red Sox talent level on major league roster, going for it also makes sense. The Cubs did just that and made trades that were a lot more costly than the Sale trade, just look at the Chapman trade. Everyone thinks Theo walks on water, but he has traded a ton of the Cubs system in the last year. If Theo is a true boy Wonder he clearly doesn't believe those trades are going to kill the team long-term like you do. DD can make a Hayward type trade in the future, giving up the last year of let's say Bradley and getting what 3 years of Miller. DD could do very well restocking the system in the draft and international markets. He could make more trades for players to fill holes. Younger players in system can step up. There are a ton of ways we can be a great team for 5-7 years or more. I also bet our payroll starts to explode in the coming years, hence why they wanted to reset tax level so bad this year. Oh course you don't want to count Benintendi, it doesn't fit your narrative. The fact is he will be a rookie next year and making peanuts compared to production in 2019. The exact type of player you say we'll need in 2019. Don't talk bad about players like Groome, Devers and Travis, while thinking trading Dubon, Basabe, Diaz, Margot, Espinoza, Kopech and Moncada have killed this teams future. They are all prospects, no one knows for sure who is going to pan out. Groome and Devers could easily be the two best prospects of the group. You don't like Travis ok, I don't really care, because Keith Law does and his opinion means a lot more than yours. Go read his write up, he sees him as twice the player you think he is. He has him as a top 100 prospect that is near major league ready. He thinks his D is a lot better than you do. His hitting is just fine, always has been. I've said it time and time again players like Travis get overlooked because he doesn't have massive upside. At the same time he can be the exact type of player this team needs to fill out roster on the cheap. Giving you good production while making peanuts. We agree on spending on free agents. I wanted to double dip when we got Price, I also really wanted Cueto. If we had done that we could still have Moncada, Kopech, Espinoza and Basabe. Nevermind what our team could have been like last year with Cueto. DD didn't want to commit that much money to starting rotation, which is certainly understandable. It looks like a big mistake now in hindsight, but a ton of things do when looking back in time. I have to believe the CBA uncertainty played a big role in that. So while having a top 5 system and a great young team is awesome. It's not a necessity. As long as we can maintain a top 15-20 system going forward, we will be just fine. The one thing we can't do is get stuck with big contracts like Sandoval's, Crawford's or Beckett's going forward. That's what could kill us long-term and most likely why DD didn't want to commit to Cueto and Price in one offseason. It's also the reason why he loved the Sale trade. Gives you that Ace, without that massive long-term contract that can cripple a team if he doesn't produce.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 6:47:51 GMT -5
That article makes it clear Price's agent wanted opt out and Red Sox got him to sign a slightly smaller deal in total dollars for agreeing to include opt out. That article doesn't allude that it was Red Sox that wanted to include opt out. I'm not sure where you get that but whatever turns your crank, it's a non issue. That's exactly what the article says. Not sure how you read that article and don't get that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 6:51:48 GMT -5
Cueto would have gotten rocked in the AL East.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 7:22:17 GMT -5
Cueto would have gotten rocked in the AL East. Why would he get rocked in AL East? He was one of the best pitchers in Baseball last year. The big issue with him is if his arm will give out. I can see him being like Lackey and needing surgery and then bouncing back to being an Ace level pitcher. I don't worry about him not being able to handle the AL East.
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