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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 7:35:02 GMT -5
Cueto would have gotten rocked in the AL East. Why would he get rocked in AL East? He was one of the best pitchers in Baseball last year. The big issue with him is if his arm will give out. I can see him being like Lackey and needing surgery and then bouncing back to being an Ace level pitcher. I don't worry about him not being able to handle the AL East. He was horrible with the Royals, in the AL. It's not really a coincidence that he all of a sudden "refinds" himself in the middle of the best pitchers parks in the NL West.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 7:58:20 GMT -5
Why would he get rocked in AL East? He was one of the best pitchers in Baseball last year. The big issue with him is if his arm will give out. I can see him being like Lackey and needing surgery and then bouncing back to being an Ace level pitcher. I don't worry about him not being able to handle the AL East. He was horrible with the Royals, in the AL. It's not really a coincidence that he all of a sudden "refinds" himself in the middle of the best pitchers parks in the NL West. Its a very small sample size and doesn't really prove anything. If he spent a full year in AL and had those results you might have a point. That's like saying Porcello can't pitch in AL East because of 2015, which we know just isn't true. What we do know is that Cueto has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for years.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 8:48:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I can't see Cueto's stuff playing the same way in the AL East and there's no one that can tell me otherwise. His contract would of been a disaster here. I'm not really bullish on Porcello either, he could easily fall back down to earth after last year too.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 12, 2017 9:20:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I can't see Cueto's stuff playing the same way in the AL East and there's no one that can tell me otherwise. His contract would of been a disaster here. I'm not really bullish on Porcello either, he could easily fall back down to earth after last year too. Oh ok, it's settled then. Cueto has five good pitches (including an excellent changeup) that he can mix, a ton of deception, and great command. Obviously the numbers wouldn't be as sparkling outside SF, but he's a great pitcher. No one can tell me otherwise!
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 12, 2017 9:29:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I can't see Cueto's stuff playing the same way in the AL East and there's no one that can tell me otherwise. His contract would of been a disaster here. I'm not really bullish on Porcello either, he could easily fall back down to earth after last year too. I have the same feeling about Cueto. Porcello tho has morphed. His first year in the bean he was throwing 94-95 seemingly. Now he is 88-91 but his control/command appears so much better. I think he is in for the long hall. He reminds me of Jim Lonborg...tall, lanky, easy motion and evolving command.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 12, 2017 9:55:56 GMT -5
Cueto's stuff is lackluster but we're praising Porcello for throwing 88? Also, Porcello's velo didn't change that much. The four-seam fastball was essentially exactly the same, the two seamer lost about one MPH. We don't have to guess at these numbers anymore, we have accurate data easily available: www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=2717&position=P
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 12, 2017 10:39:04 GMT -5
Cueto's stuff is lackluster but we're praising Porcello for throwing 88? Also, Porcello's velo didn't change that much. The four-seam fastball was essentially exactly the same, the two seamer lost about one MPH. We don't have to guess at these numbers anymore, we have accurate data easily available: www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=2717&position=PI was not praising 88 just mentioning what I perceived. He now relies much more, to me, on command. Unless the gun was wrong, Rick threw one pitch at 95 in his last start so he has it if needed but he chooses not to operate there. I didn't comment on Cueto's relative "stuff" either...just my gut that he might find the AL and the East tougher. Perhaps that stems in part from his KC troubles.
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Post by soxjim on Mar 12, 2017 11:33:16 GMT -5
He was horrible with the Royals, in the AL. It's not really a coincidence that he all of a sudden "refinds" himself in the middle of the best pitchers parks in the NL West. Its a very small sample size and doesn't really prove anything. If he spent a full year in AL and had those results you might have a point. That's like saying Porcello can't pitch in AL East because of 2015, which we know just isn't true. What we do know is that Cueto has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for years. Just because it is a small sample size doesn't mean it isn't true. We also know when he came to KC he was pretty bad and we do know the AL and the NL are different. Cueto was NOT one of the best pitchers in baseball during his tenure with KC.
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Post by thursty on Mar 12, 2017 11:48:25 GMT -5
I can't believe how hard it is to kill off bad ideas - *all* player opt-outs are value to the player (just as all club options are valuable to the club); there's a whole thread on it somewhere. It's basic economics
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 12, 2017 15:00:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I can't see Cueto's stuff playing the same way in the AL East and there's no one that can tell me otherwise. His contract would of been a disaster here. I'm not really bullish on Porcello either, he could easily fall back down to earth after last year too. Oh ok, it's settled then. Cueto has five good pitches (including an excellent changeup) that he can mix, a ton of deception, and great command. Obviously the numbers wouldn't be as sparkling outside SF, but he's a great pitcher. No one can tell me otherwise! He is a great pitcher, in the NL that is...
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:05:42 GMT -5
I agree that getting big prospects value for a starter and signing Otani would be a start. But you're still looking at a salary crunch unless you move Sale or Price. Otherwise, you're talking about $90M annually for three starters. True but 2 of those pitchers would be presumably still the best in baseball (in Otani and Sale) and you still have Eduardo and Wright around. Not to mention the Price opt out that is in major play here. That's 32 million gone aav wise right there. I just personally think Otani is the key to all of this. The only 2 good choices is if he signs somewhere in the NL or signs with the Sox. Otani is the best prospect in the world. I'd take him over Benintendi, Moncada, Torres, anyone really. The interesting thing is that if he comes here, he still wants to hit and pitch. If he could hit at a proficient rate, he'd be the most valuable player in baseball. Even better than Trout. The good news is the NL supports hitting and the Dodgers have room in the outfield if he wants to play there on his non pitching days. The bad news is the Yankees could always DH him and disregard the DH rule when he pitches. The Sox wouldn't have any room on this team to hit really, so if that's his main reason for wanting to come here, then the Sox won't have much of a chance of signing him. It's not about whether or not any of them is good (or awesome). It's about spending $90M on three pitchers, which leaves about $110M for the rest of the team. While their contracts are expiring, Hanley's almost certain to vest his fifth year, which means $40M is tied up for three years in him and Sandoval. By the time the team is free of them, you're looking at extensions for Betts and Bogaerts, and Rodriguez; never mind replacing JBJ in CF (I doubt they pay him the $20M plus they'll need to). Hell, let Otani hit (there's a fangraphs analysis that says he'd be an above-average hitter) and save some $ on the DH. Idk, it's still looking to me like a roster salary structure that they can't afford.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:14:45 GMT -5
Sale's 2018 option is $12.5m, 2019 option $13.5m. Half a million less than the two Buchholz' options. Porcello's AAV is $20.5m, Price $31m. Even assuming no trade or opt out, you would have 4 starters in the 90m range, not 3. I'm talking about 2020 and beyond. That's the timeframe under discussion. Extending Sale and Porcello (or replacing Porcello or Sale with Otani on a long-term deal) means having three starters under contract for roughly $90M. My issue isn't with the current iteration, it's with the downstream effect the moves to make the current iteration will have on the long term health of the franchise.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:25:48 GMT -5
The whole the Red Sox preferred Devers to Moncada canard has already been thoroughly debunked; man, this Dombrowski bubble is worse than the Trump one You're right about Devers vs Moncada. I was wrong. I thought it was but I checked and I took it wrong.
With that said, I'm very excited overall by the moves of last year and this year. I do think they moved a bit too fast overall and I think trading Clay without getting another decent starter is way too risky. Erod and Pomz can't pitch a whole season giving decent inning. Price and Wright with injuries. IMO real dumb. Didn't have to stretch for Thornie, didn't have to sign Abad nor Moreland (would still have Shaw).
But nothing could make most Sox fans happier than to have had a chance to win it all last year and have it probably for another 5. I think most fans would agree -- to watch a team win a lot and do it for several years is much more exciting than waiting . . . and waiting . . . and waiting . . . And then we still needed pitching badly which we all know the organization was pathetic with. And if you want to win championships, you do need some form of quality pitching. DD has now gone out and got it. What kindof baseball would we have ben watching without getting more pitching. As much as I dislike Kimbrel a bit and we overpaid he was still was pretty good. We did miss Koji for a lot of the season. And Tazawa melted down from overuse imo. Our manager was stubborn not using Ross etc. We would have had no shot without the pickups. Again-- most fans want a shot. A minority imo is pleased with just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
Though I think between DD and the owner they've been a bit too desperate chasing high cost relief pitchers whose quality or style of pitching is questionable. I am all for paying high prices but for example I am not a fan of Kimbrel in addition to what we gave up for someone like him. Though i understand it. Conversely, the starters moves other than losing Clay without a replacement have been solid. Especially Sale. It will be pleasure over the several years watching my team win a lot instead of that grabge product we have had to witness overall in 2014 and 2015 knowing the way the team was constructed - without pitching we weren't much. The heck with the waiting.
And to think that after 2019 we would have just stood still and let most of the team go- is imo very naive. Expect some trades in which a some good players will be traded.
I don't think anyone here is arguing that they'll stand pat and let everyone leave. That's just a bizarre idea. But it's not as bizarre as thinking that the team will trade big names and that those trades won't immediately impact their ability to contend. It's certainly possible that they could flip Sale or Porcello in 2019 before they hit free agency, but that means their ability to contend that year is reduced (or obliterated, if your assessment of Sale's presence being a critical requirement of WS success is accurate). And the return will be MUCH less than what they gave up, at least for Sale.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:28:36 GMT -5
Of course, they could punt 2019, trade both at the deadline, and try to re-sign one in the offseason. That might be a smart move, although many on here would spontaneously vaporize in a cloud of blood, bone, and unfettered, despondent rage.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:52:40 GMT -5
Your 3 year window thing is like forecasting the weather out 6 weeks. WAY TOO MANY variables. I doubt the ownership is going to let DD stand pat and not be competitive. Who knows maybe DD gets Manny M Maybe he trades for trout. Maybe moncada is a star? Maybe he's a bust bust? If this is a poker game I like the cards we have to play. Did we lose some young UNPROVED prospects YES. So we are trying to win a big pot in front of us instead of hoping and waiting for a big pot 3 or 4 hands from now. That's like saying "I might die tomorrow so I'm not going to pay my bills." Trade for Trout? Sign Machado? Sure, and I could someday witness oxygen transmuting into gold. It's POSSIBLE, but incredibly unlikely. We're talking probabilities here, and the probable outcome of the Sale trade is a significant fall back to earth in 2019 (if they move him) or 2020. The salary structure dictates it. I'm sure DD thinks he can recover, or he wouldn't have made the moves he has. Based on his history, I tend to doubt it. And to use your analogy, I CAN predict that the weather in 6 weeks will be a hell of a lot warmer than today. I CAN predict that we won't have an 18" snowfall storm barreling down on Boston.. I don't need to tell you the exact temperature or precipitation level, I can provide plenty of differentiation from today's weather with very high likelihood. In the same way, I can also predict that there will be substantial turnover on this team in 2-3 years.
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Post by thursty on Mar 12, 2017 17:19:00 GMT -5
It is a category error to focus on the Sale trade as the only Dombrowski folly; trading 7 young players for 2 1-inning relievers is criminal stupidity and is the largest contributor to the short-run outlook for this team
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Post by soxjim on Mar 12, 2017 18:02:14 GMT -5
You're right about Devers vs Moncada. I was wrong. I thought it was but I checked and I took it wrong.
With that said, I'm very excited overall by the moves of last year and this year. I do think they moved a bit too fast overall and I think trading Clay without getting another decent starter is way too risky. Erod and Pomz can't pitch a whole season giving decent inning. Price and Wright with injuries. IMO real dumb. Didn't have to stretch for Thornie, didn't have to sign Abad nor Moreland (would still have Shaw).
But nothing could make most Sox fans happier than to have had a chance to win it all last year and have it probably for another 5. I think most fans would agree -- to watch a team win a lot and do it for several years is much more exciting than waiting . . . and waiting . . . and waiting . . . And then we still needed pitching badly which we all know the organization was pathetic with. And if you want to win championships, you do need some form of quality pitching. DD has now gone out and got it. What kindof baseball would we have ben watching without getting more pitching. As much as I dislike Kimbrel a bit and we overpaid he was still was pretty good. We did miss Koji for a lot of the season. And Tazawa melted down from overuse imo. Our manager was stubborn not using Ross etc. We would have had no shot without the pickups. Again-- most fans want a shot. A minority imo is pleased with just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
Though I think between DD and the owner they've been a bit too desperate chasing high cost relief pitchers whose quality or style of pitching is questionable. I am all for paying high prices but for example I am not a fan of Kimbrel in addition to what we gave up for someone like him. Though i understand it. Conversely, the starters moves other than losing Clay without a replacement have been solid. Especially Sale. It will be pleasure over the several years watching my team win a lot instead of that grabge product we have had to witness overall in 2014 and 2015 knowing the way the team was constructed - without pitching we weren't much. The heck with the waiting.
And to think that after 2019 we would have just stood still and let most of the team go- is imo very naive. Expect some trades in which a some good players will be traded.
I don't think anyone here is arguing that they'll stand pat and let everyone leave. That's just a bizarre idea. But it's not as bizarre as thinking that the team will trade big names and that those trades won't immediately impact their ability to contend. It's certainly possible that they could flip Sale or Porcello in 2019 before they hit free agency, but that means their ability to contend that year is reduced (or obliterated, if your assessment of Sale's presence being a critical requirement of WS success is accurate). And the return will be MUCH less than what they gave up, at least for Sale.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 18:16:29 GMT -5
It is a category error to focus on the Sale trade as the only Dombrowski folly; trading 7 young players for 2 1-inning relievers is criminal stupidity and is the largest contributor to the short-run outlook for this team I focus on Sale only as an easy example of the economics: to keep the rotation intact in 2020 is wholly untenable. I think the issue is not any one deal, but the gestalt of gambling on margin. Acquiring highest-volatility/highest injury risk players (relievers) who provide low-ceiling value, for extensive young talent is probably the best example of that, yes.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 12, 2017 18:27:32 GMT -5
Also keep in mind, they could be a major injury away from having a farm system like the Angels. Same goes for if someone like Sandoval is under replacement level.
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Post by soxjim on Mar 12, 2017 19:08:31 GMT -5
You're right about Devers vs Moncada. I was wrong. I thought it was but I checked and I took it wrong.
With that said, I'm very excited overall by the moves of last year and this year. I do think they moved a bit too fast overall and I think trading Clay without getting another decent starter is way too risky. Erod and Pomz can't pitch a whole season giving decent inning. Price and Wright with injuries. IMO real dumb. Didn't have to stretch for Thornie, didn't have to sign Abad nor Moreland (would still have Shaw).
But nothing could make most Sox fans happier than to have had a chance to win it all last year and have it probably for another 5. I think most fans would agree -- to watch a team win a lot and do it for several years is much more exciting than waiting . . . and waiting . . . and waiting . . . And then we still needed pitching badly which we all know the organization was pathetic with. And if you want to win championships, you do need some form of quality pitching. DD has now gone out and got it. What kindof baseball would we have ben watching without getting more pitching. As much as I dislike Kimbrel a bit and we overpaid he was still was pretty good. We did miss Koji for a lot of the season. And Tazawa melted down from overuse imo. Our manager was stubborn not using Ross etc. We would have had no shot without the pickups. Again-- most fans want a shot. A minority imo is pleased with just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
Though I think between DD and the owner they've been a bit too desperate chasing high cost relief pitchers whose quality or style of pitching is questionable. I am all for paying high prices but for example I am not a fan of Kimbrel in addition to what we gave up for someone like him. Though i understand it. Conversely, the starters moves other than losing Clay without a replacement have been solid. Especially Sale. It will be pleasure over the several years watching my team win a lot instead of that grabge product we have had to witness overall in 2014 and 2015 knowing the way the team was constructed - without pitching we weren't much. The heck with the waiting.
And to think that after 2019 we would have just stood still and let most of the team go- is imo very naive. Expect some trades in which a some good players will be traded.
I don't think anyone here is arguing that they'll stand pat and let everyone leave. That's just a bizarre idea. But it's not as bizarre as thinking that the team will trade big names and that those trades won't immediately impact their ability to contend. It's certainly possible that they could flip Sale or Porcello in 2019 before they hit free agency, but that means their ability to contend that year is reduced (or obliterated, if your assessment of Sale's presence being a critical requirement of WS success is accurate). And the return will be MUCH less than what they gave up, at least for Sale. I don't think the trades the sox potentially make for one of their stars will necessarily reduce their ability to contend. If you trade Sale in the future for example, you are going to trade for positions that you are weak at that moment in time on your current roster. You probably aren’t making a 1- for 1 deal. Thus you’re probably going to get help at multiple positions of weakness. So if your other pitching is fine – then in terms of our discussion of the question if we would still be competitive to be threat to win it all; I think the answer would still remain-- yes. The pitching would be Price (Do we know for certain he is going to stink in 2020? Nope), ERod, Wright – and who knows- Porcello? According to this site, we will have Groome in 2020. OFC it is only a projection. But still the projection is for 2020. What if you think the site projection leans toward being correct and it will happen? And how many teams are going to give Porcello $30m? OFC if he has the season he had this year—but now you factor in Sale—so we have TWO $30m caliber pitchers through 2019? We’re THAT good? And for those that thought Clay was the 7th best pitcher it would mean at the end of the year young Erod was number 3? He is going to improve more than likely, right? And we have him through 2021? WHY WOULDN”T WE trade a starter or two with what we have then?
I can recall a poster recently stating that people don’t realize how difficult it is to get back to the top once you fall. I agree. On the flip side, I don’t think people realize that you can make trades to better your team even though you give up a good player in return. In other words, the Red Sox have a great opportunity to trade from strength in which pitching is an extremely highly valued commodity and use that trade to fill their weaknesses. That doesn’t make them much weaker if weaker at all. The Red Sox strength is their pitching. The market always seeks pitching. They have an opportunity to fill holes by trading the highest valued commodity in baseball in which they are already strong. That’s a good thing.
Final point. I think the point you make of if Sox trade Sale, then we’ll be getting much less in return is irrelevant. If the Red Sox win titles or darn close and have been a power (supposedly we have multiple $30m caliber quality pitchers?) and remain strong even after 2019 for a couple of years – and Sale helped the sox directly before 2019, then indirectly once we traded him, and we are still a contending type of team, who cares what we gave up to Chicago? Unless they get multiple superstars from our deal, knock and win titles themselves from the deal.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 20:12:12 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here is arguing that they'll stand pat and let everyone leave. That's just a bizarre idea. But it's not as bizarre as thinking that the team will trade big names and that those trades won't immediately impact their ability to contend. It's certainly possible that they could flip Sale or Porcello in 2019 before they hit free agency, but that means their ability to contend that year is reduced (or obliterated, if your assessment of Sale's presence being a critical requirement of WS success is accurate). And the return will be MUCH less than what they gave up, at least for Sale. I don't think the trades the sox potentially make for one of their stars will necessarily reduce their ability to contend. If you trade Sale in the future for example, you are going to trade for positions that you are weak at that moment in time on your current roster. You probably aren’t making a 1- for 1 deal. Thus you’re probably going to get help at multiple positions of weakness. So if your other pitching is fine – then in terms of our discussion of the question if we would still be competitive to be threat to win it all; I think the answer would still remain-- yes. The pitching would be Price (Do we know for certain he is going to stink in 2020? Nope), ERod, Wright – and who knows- Porcello? According to this site, we will have Groome in 2020. OFC it is only a projection. But still the projection is for 2020. What if you think the site projection leans toward being correct and it will happen? And how many teams are going to give Porcello $30m? OFC if he has the season he had this year—but now you factor in Sale—so we have TWO $30m caliber pitchers through 2019? We’re THAT good? And for those that thought Clay was the 7th best pitcher it would mean at the end of the year young Erod was number 3? He is going to improve more than likely, right? And we have him through 2021? WHY WOULDN”T WE trade a starter or two with what we have then?
I can recall a poster recently stating that people don’t realize how difficult it is to get back to the top once you fall. I agree. On the flip side, I don’t think people realize that you can make trades to better your team even though you give up a good player in return. In other words, the Red Sox have a great opportunity to trade from strength in which pitching is an extremely highly valued commodity and use that trade to fill their weaknesses. That doesn’t make them much weaker if weaker at all. The Red Sox strength is their pitching. The market always seeks pitching. They have an opportunity to fill holes by trading the highest valued commodity in baseball in which they are already strong. That’s a good thing.
Final point. I think the point you make of if Sox trade Sale, then we’ll be getting much less in return is irrelevant. If the Red Sox win titles or darn close and have been a power (supposedly we have multiple $30m caliber quality pitchers?) and remain strong even after 2019 for a couple of years – and Sale helped the sox directly before 2019, then indirectly once we traded him, and we are still a contending type of team, who cares what we gave up to Chicago? Unless they get multiple superstars from our deal, knock and win titles themselves from the deal.
If you trade a player one year before free agency, you're not getting superstars in return. You're getting prospects, or young players with limited upside. You're not going to exchange a superstar with one year of control for another established one with four or five years of control. You're going to accept back reduced production for more control time or (possibly) more salary.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 12, 2017 20:34:21 GMT -5
You also seem to be glossing over...that you lose Sale. Who you've touted as **the** key to a championship. You're not getting back two 3-WAR players with four years of control for a 6-WAR pitcher on a three-month rental. Just what do you think they'll get in return? And how can you reconcile claiming that Sale is critical for a WS run this year, but wholly expendable in two years?
Rick Porcello is likely to get something in the $25-30M AAV range in three years. That's the current state of MLB contracts, provided his performance remains roughly where it was last year. Of course, if he's a fluke, that's a problem for the Sox well before then. And in that case their pitching isn't as good as you think. Regardless, let's just say that they can't afford to sign a pitcher of Porcello's 2016 caliber, and Sale. To sign either Sale or Porcello means a $55-$65M top-2. Pomeranz will be looking at around $10M in arb. By 2019 Rodriguez will, too, or he'll need to be extended. Same for Wright.
Best-case is that Smith, Barnes, Kelly, et al make a resurgent Kimbrel expendable in a Chapman-style return, and Pomeranz does the same and brings back someone approaching Espinoza. Groome *might* arrive by 2020, at 21 years old. But it's tough to expect anything more than for him to be a 4/5 at first.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 12, 2017 20:52:29 GMT -5
Its a very small sample size and doesn't really prove anything. If he spent a full year in AL and had those results you might have a point. That's like saying Porcello can't pitch in AL East because of 2015, which we know just isn't true. What we do know is that Cueto has been one of the best pitchers in baseball for years. Just because it is a small sample size doesn't mean it isn't true. We also know when he came to KC he was pretty bad and we do know the AL and the NL are different. Cueto was NOT one of the best pitchers in baseball during his tenure with KC.
It doesn't mean it is true either. If your theory is built around like 15 AL starts after he was on DL with a dead arm, that just makes no sense. You did know he was on DL with an arm issue right? The whole NL and AL thing is real, but it depends on the pitcher and his pitching style. Cueto does not have a style that I worry about. He's an elite pitcher and he can pitch in AL just fine.
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Post by thursty on Mar 12, 2017 21:27:06 GMT -5
Here are the season/players that are FA: after: 2018: Price(?) (pray he opts out), Hanley(?) (he has a vesting option of 1050 PAs 2017-2018) (hope he doesn't vest), Pomeranz (see ya), Kimbrel(?) (doubtful they'll let him walk, it's a club option) 2019: Porcello, Sale, Kimbrel (finally), Thornburg, Bogaerts, Sandoval, Holt 2020: Betts, Bradley, Wright Just reposting because it's hard to keep track. Note: Pomeranz is a free agent after the *2018* season
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Post by soxjim on Mar 12, 2017 23:06:47 GMT -5
Just because it is a small sample size doesn't mean it isn't true. We also know when he came to KC he was pretty bad and we do know the AL and the NL are different. Cueto was NOT one of the best pitchers in baseball during his tenure with KC.
It doesn't mean it is true either. If your theory is built around like 15 AL starts after he was on DL with a dead arm, that just makes no sense. You did know he was on DL with an arm issue right? The whole NL and AL thing is real, but it depends on the pitcher and his pitching style. Cueto does not have a style that I worry about. He's an elite pitcher and he can pitch in AL just fine. You're right it doesn't make it true. Just comes down which data you choose to look at. I realize he got bombed in the AL. I'm with the poster Pedro. Wouldn't trust him in the AL East with all the hitting parks. You can have him in the AL. I'm glad he is not on the Red Sox.
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