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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 23, 2017 13:38:48 GMT -5
There's no way the Cubs are going to sell low on Schwarber right now. None.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2017 3:17:31 GMT -5
I wonder if a Porcello for Schwarber deal is possible this winter. Despite the lack of starters on the Sox right now, the Sox could use a first baseman with power and Schwarber could make a pretty good platoon with Hanley. I think Schwarber could play a decent first base.
I feel like the Sox can replace most of Porcello's performance through trade or free agency with another low cost pitcher of some sorts. If the juiced baseball is here to stay, then Porcello is going to continue to get crushed in the AL.
The Cubs need another starter or two with Lackey and Arrieta leaving in free agency.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 24, 2017 7:20:13 GMT -5
A fair amount of threads on the front page of this subforum seem to involve people wanting to trade for a DH...are Hanley and his contract going somewhere that I don't know about? I believe those people see a healthy Hanley as a first baseman. Of course, health is the big question. With all the solid hitters in the Cubs lineup and Rizzo a Votto-like fixture at first base, the Cubs would likely explore a Schwarber trade for either an established starter and/or an experienced OF.
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Post by jdb on Oct 24, 2017 8:53:11 GMT -5
I heard a Cubs beat writer on MLB radio the other day who said they absolutely love Schwarber and he'd be shocked if he were traded. He did say he expected one of Russell, Baez, Happ or Almora to lead a deal for a controlled starter.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 24, 2017 10:44:58 GMT -5
Over the last 3 months of the season, after his 11-game "get your mind right" stint in Iowa, Schwarber hit .255/.338/.565 with 18 HR in 225 PA, which would be a 44-HR pace over 550 PA. Cubs say no to that deal, I'm fairly certain.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 24, 2017 13:07:06 GMT -5
I heard a Cubs beat writer on MLB radio the other day who said they absolutely love Schwarber and he'd be shocked if he were traded. He did say he expected one of Russell, Baez, Happ or Almora to lead a deal for a controlled starter. I heard that same interview. I was surprised to hear the Cubs are that much higher on Schwarber than those other players.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 24, 2017 14:22:46 GMT -5
I've wondered if their commitment to keeping Schwarber is some kind of indication that NL DH is coming sooner rather than later.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2017 14:25:38 GMT -5
I heard a Cubs beat writer on MLB radio the other day who said they absolutely love Schwarber and he'd be shocked if he were traded. He did say he expected one of Russell, Baez, Happ or Almora to lead a deal for a controlled starter. I heard that same interview. I was surprised to hear the Cubs are that much higher on Schwarber than those other players. Not sure if they are higher on him so much as they think the value is better elsewhere. It makes more sense to trade Baez than sell low on Schwarber if they think Schwarber is a good bet to bounce back, because they'll get more for Baez.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2017 17:39:21 GMT -5
Over the last 3 months of the season, after his 11-game "get your mind right" stint in Iowa, Schwarber hit .255/.338/.565 with 18 HR in 225 PA, which would be a 44-HR pace over 550 PA. Cubs say no to that deal, I'm fairly certain. Do you think they say no to Eduardo Rodriguez instead?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 24, 2017 17:41:18 GMT -5
I've wondered if their commitment to keeping Schwarber is some kind of indication that NL DH is coming sooner rather than later. The Cubs can't just keep throwing him in LF and expect it to be anything less than a disaster in the outfield. I really don't know how they expect to keep him if the DH rule isn't coming in the next 2-3 years.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 24, 2017 19:21:38 GMT -5
I heard that same interview. I was surprised to hear the Cubs are that much higher on Schwarber than those other players. Not sure if they are higher on him so much as they think the value is better elsewhere. It makes more sense to trade Baez than sell low on Schwarber if they think Schwarber is a good bet to bounce back, because they'll get more for Baez. I believe the reporter being interviewed said something along the lines of "Cubs fans would rather trade their first born child than trade Schwarber." Hyperbolic, obviously, but I was surprised to hear they liked him that much.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 25, 2017 10:43:00 GMT -5
Over the last 3 months of the season, after his 11-game "get your mind right" stint in Iowa, Schwarber hit .255/.338/.565 with 18 HR in 225 PA, which would be a 44-HR pace over 550 PA. Cubs say no to that deal, I'm fairly certain. Do you think they say no to Eduardo Rodriguez instead? The one who just had major knee surgery and won't be ready for the start of the season? Nobody is trading for him at full value right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2017 14:13:49 GMT -5
Do you think they say no to Eduardo Rodriguez instead? The one who just had major knee surgery and won't be ready for the start of the season? Nobody is trading for him at full value right now. Yes, but Schwarber isn't at full value right now either. The Cubs have Montgomery to fill in at the number 5 spot in the rotation for the time Eduardo would be out if they wanted to go that route.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2017 14:25:10 GMT -5
What the Cubs do with Schwarber will be interesting this offseason. The guy can flat out mash when he is in a groove but I don't really see how they can continue to send him out to the outfield he is terrible out there. I remember one play in particular with him this postseason where he was chasing after a pretty routine fly ball and it hit him in the palm of the glove, he bent over to pick it up and somehow ended up kicking the ball about 15 feet and then had to run after it again. I'd never really seen anything like it in the playoffs before.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2017 15:27:25 GMT -5
I don't want to trade ERod, but I expect he's the exact type of player Theo would want for a young hitter. A young fairly cheap controllable pitcher with upside.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 25, 2017 19:58:07 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering trading Eduardo Rodriguez for this type of deal if I'm Dombrowski.
Eduardo has had chronic knee problems the past three seasons. If something tends to be chronic, it tends to stay chronic.
Surgery doesn't guarantee anything in this regard, hopefully it works out for the best, but it's a cloudy situation at best with Eduardo's trick knee.
There is a lot less risk in a Schwarber, Happ, or Baez then there is with Eduardo at this point. I'd prefer Schwarber because of the need for power on this team, but I would do a deal for either of those players.
The only thing you'd be risking for the Sox is if Schwarber could actually play first base and can hit over .250, if he can he's a 30-40 homerun bat.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2017 23:36:10 GMT -5
What's your overall plan? You going after Schwarber and Martinez? Schwarber is your fallback ? What are you doing for pitching? Just trying to figure out what other moves you would make.
Schwarber is risky just because of his D.
ERod has never had surgery on this knee before right? I see no reason why this might not fix the problem.
Trading ERod creates a pitching problem long-term. We have a bunch of 1B type guys ready or almost ready in Travis, Chavis and Ock. We don't have much ready or near ready pitching.
Now Baez interests me. He can play 2B, SS and 3B. I would be shocked if they trade him.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Oct 25, 2017 23:41:35 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering trading Eduardo Rodriguez for this type of deal if I'm Dombrowski. Eduardo has had chronic knee problems the past three seasons. If something tends to be chronic, it tends to stay chronic. Surgery doesn't guarantee anything in this regard, hopefully it works out for the best, but it's a cloudy situation at best with Eduardo's trick knee. There is a lot less risk in a Schwarber, Happ, or Baez then there is with Eduardo at this point. I'd prefer Schwarber because of the need for power on this team, but I would do a deal for either of those players. The only thing you'd be risking for the Sox is if Schwarber could actually play first base and can hit over .250, if he can he's a 30-40 homerun bat. I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure we have enough info to call it a chronic condition. If you hurt your knee and never really fix it properly, then I wouldn't say when you reinjury it the injury is chronic. I'd just say that's what happens when you don't get something fixed the first time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 26, 2017 2:53:34 GMT -5
What's your overall plan? You going after Schwarber and Martinez? Schwarber is your fallback ? What are you doing for pitching? Just trying to figure out what other moves you would make. Schwarber is risky just because of his D. ERod has never had surgery on this knee before right? I see no reason why this might not fix the problem. Trading ERod creates a pitching problem long-term. We have a bunch of 1B type guys ready or almost ready in Travis, Chavis and Ock. We don't have much ready or near ready pitching. Now Baez interests me. He can play 2B, SS and 3B. I would be shocked if they trade him. I'm no doctor, but knees, shoulders, and backs tend to be a lot more complicated than torn ligaments and broken bones. Once Eduardo Rodriguez had knee surgery, I am filled with red flags in my head. Yeah the surgery might work and his knee is good for a while, that's best case scenario. Worst case scenario is that you just attempted to fix a bad knee and you made matters worse and the surgery doesn't work. I don't know how anyone can feel comfortable with Eduardo's bad knee at this point, just like with Pedrioa. My plan would probably be more on the lines of what you were thinking in most of the other threads. -Try and sign Ohtani -Try and trade Eduardo Rodriguez for Baez or Schwarber -Sign Cobb if you don't get Ohtani -try and trade for Bour, sign Moreland for cheap if that fails. I'd rather sign a starter to 20+ million a year than a DH like Martinez. The long term starting problem started when the rotting corpse of Henry Owens became a bust, add Trey Ball to this too. It also started when Barnes wasn't good enough to start, or Joe Kelly for that matter. It also started when Johnson couldn't stat healthy. The Cubs could trade Baez of they wanted to move Happ back to second base. None of those prospects outside of Chavis and Travis is even on the radar. Even then, those prospects come with a ton of questions. I think Schwarber is playing the wrong position. He probably could be a decent first baseman, but I'd add another first baseman for more power anyways (like a Bour).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 26, 2017 13:34:40 GMT -5
How many recent knee surgies have you seen on athletes that made them worse? Yes, there is always a chance, but it is low. Tommy John surgery now has like an 80% plus success rate. Modern medicine has come a long way from even 20 years ago. An old Tom Brady tore everything in his knee in 2008. Has been great ever since then and he's old. So until reports say he won't come back 100% the smart thing in my opinion is to assume he will be fine. I worry much more about Pedroia. The way he plays his knees take a beating. Also there have been reports that he may never be the same. Ex-players debating it on ESPN. Not all knee injuries and situations are the same. By all account ERod stretched a tendon that caused his knee to not be 100% sound, he had too much movement. Which kept causing him to have problems. Seems like a simple problem to fix compared to Tom Brady.
This can make sense if you get Ohtani, but that is a long-shot. I like Cobb I would like to sign him, but also keep ERod. Knowing DD he is going to want to try and sign Sale long-term. That means most likely Pomeranz is gone. So 2019 we had ERod and Cobb. If you have Ohtani you are all-set, but realistically do we have better than maybe a 10% chance?
Owens and Johnson are a big reason why we have depth issues. The reason doesn't really matter though, just that next year you basically have Johnson, Beeks and Valazquez. Johnson might be gone due to no options and the other two have question marks. They pitched well last year, but aren't more than emergency depth starters till they prove otherwise. The chances one of Travis, Chavis and Ock can help the major league club in the next few years is really good. Prospects are risky, but having 3 guys in AA or above helps reduce that. If you want to keep payroll down you need young players coming up every year. That's why I wouldn't go get two DH/1B guys that are under contract for the next 3 years. Nevermind are you trading Hanley?
Baez is different though. He doesn't clog up 1B and DH. He could be a long-term replacement for Pedroia or our long-term SS, even replace Devers if he can't handle 3B long-term. Thing is I see his value as double Schwarbers and don't see how Theo trades him. If I was Theo I trade Schwarber, move Happ to OF and have Baez play 2B long-term. No DH and no 1B for Schwarber means he will never be a good fit on Cubs. At best he's a masher who is a horrible defender in OF.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 27, 2017 4:26:22 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez is a risk to me from now on. Once he has had the surgery, all bets are off. This isn't a torn ligament or a broken bone here.
If the Sox keep Rodriguez then they are truly gambling. Right now you can sell a team on him coming back from surgery and the age, upside, and the nothing cost in term of dollars. In a year from now if he reinjures the knee, then it could be a completely different story. He'll be 25/26 at that point, arbitration eligible, and have a bad injury history on one certain area.
You know what you can do later? You can trade Schwarber or the prospects you mentioned that you have a abundance of at one position later on or in the near term future.
You know what you can do if Eduardo Rodriguez reinjures this knee? Hope and pray he either comes back in 2019 healthy or trade him for less than half of the value of Schwarber most likely.
This deal would be a lot like the Irving and Isaah trade to me. Nevermind the fact that Schwarber would be producing for the Sox to start the year and Eduardo looks like a June return at the earliest or a all-star break return if there is setbacks. Eduardo Rodriguez also has show a propensity to come back and be awful if his knees aren't at 100 percent. That makes sense since that's where all of every pitchers power comes from.
This is all I got to say about this.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 27, 2017 8:21:24 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez is a risk to me from now on. Once he has had the surgery, all bets are off. This isn't a torn ligament or a broken bone here. If the Sox keep Rodriguez then they are truly gambling. Right now you can sell a team on him coming back from surgery and the age, upside, and the nothing cost in term of dollars. In a year from now if he reinjures the knee, then it could be a completely different story. He'll be 25/26 at that point, arbitration eligible, and have a bad injury history on one certain area. You know what you can do later? You can trade Schwarber or the prospects you mentioned that you have a abundance of at one position later on or in the near term future. You know what you can do if Eduardo Rodriguez reinjures this knee? Hope and pray he either comes back in 2019 healthy or trade him for less than half of the value of Schwarber most likely. This deal would be a lot like the Irving and Isaah trade to me. Nevermind the fact that Schwarber would be producing for the Sox to start the year and Eduardo looks like a June return at the earliest or a all-star break return if there is setbacks. Eduardo Rodriguez also has show a propensity to come back and be awful if his knees aren't at 100 percent. That makes sense since that's where all of every pitchers power comes from. This is all I got to say about this. It's kinda funny that you're so dead set on ERod being such a huge injury risk that cannot be trusted, but you want to trade him as if he doesn't have that risk. I'm personally just fine with ERod and think trading him when he's hurt and recovering from surgery is beyond stupid since no team will give up anything for someone in that position. I don't think there's a big risk in him not returning 100%, but it's still a risk that other teams won't want to give up much for. It's the definition of selling low. And that doesn't even take into consideration that the Cubs have no interest in trading Schwarber.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 27, 2017 13:57:50 GMT -5
Eduardo Rodriguez is a risk to me from now on. Once he has had the surgery, all bets are off. This isn't a torn ligament or a broken bone here. If the Sox keep Rodriguez then they are truly gambling. Right now you can sell a team on him coming back from surgery and the age, upside, and the nothing cost in term of dollars. In a year from now if he reinjures the knee, then it could be a completely different story. He'll be 25/26 at that point, arbitration eligible, and have a bad injury history on one certain area. You know what you can do later? You can trade Schwarber or the prospects you mentioned that you have a abundance of at one position later on or in the near term future. You know what you can do if Eduardo Rodriguez reinjures this knee? Hope and pray he either comes back in 2019 healthy or trade him for less than half of the value of Schwarber most likely. This deal would be a lot like the Irving and Isaah trade to me. Nevermind the fact that Schwarber would be producing for the Sox to start the year and Eduardo looks like a June return at the earliest or a all-star break return if there is setbacks. Eduardo Rodriguez also has show a propensity to come back and be awful if his knees aren't at 100 percent. That makes sense since that's where all of every pitchers power comes from. This is all I got to say about this. It's kinda funny that you're so dead set on ERod being such a huge injury risk that cannot be trusted, but you want to trade him as if he doesn't have that risk. I'm personally just fine with ERod and think trading him when he's hurt and recovering from surgery is beyond stupid since no team will give up anything for someone in that position. I don't think there's a big risk in him not returning 100%, but it's still a risk that other teams won't want to give up much for. It's the definition of selling low. And that doesn't even take into consideration that the Cubs have no interest in trading Schwarber. I disagree on both parts. I think the Cubs would love to have a cost controlled pitcher with upside and I think they have to trade Schwarber because he has no position. The Cubs have Montgomery to fill in until Eduardo comes back. You wouldn't be selling low if you got Schwarber.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 27, 2017 14:43:46 GMT -5
ERod is going to be ready to pitch in majors by April. So if everything goes right he might miss almost no time.
Who is Schwarber? Really though, what type of player is he? He has been up and down the last few years. He is coming off a 0 war season and has 1.1 career war. He can't play the OF, he can't play catcher and we have no clue if he will be a horrible 1B. So is he a DH? He has legit big time power,but is he a .250 hitter? That can be a useful player,but is that worth ERod? On paper ERod is the better player and should have more trade value right now. That's why a lot of people assume they won't trade him, because his value is at an all time low.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 27, 2017 16:45:18 GMT -5
It's kinda funny that you're so dead set on ERod being such a huge injury risk that cannot be trusted, but you want to trade him as if he doesn't have that risk. I'm personally just fine with ERod and think trading him when he's hurt and recovering from surgery is beyond stupid since no team will give up anything for someone in that position. I don't think there's a big risk in him not returning 100%, but it's still a risk that other teams won't want to give up much for. It's the definition of selling low. And that doesn't even take into consideration that the Cubs have no interest in trading Schwarber. I disagree on both parts. I think the Cubs would love to have a cost controlled pitcher with upside and I think they have to trade Schwarber because he has no position. The Cubs have Montgomery to fill in until Eduardo comes back. You wouldn't be selling low if you got Schwarber. So would the Red Sox and everyone else other than you, because you think he is an injury waiting to happen and thus doesn't have any upside. You can't have it both ways. Either he's valuable or he isn't.
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