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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 19, 2019 17:19:56 GMT -5
Devers has better than average range which makes up for some of the errors. Overall, he's slightly below average so far and only has to clean up mistakes to be quite good. There's no chance in hell that Chavis will ever approach Devers' defensive ability at 3B. He doesn't have the physical skill that is needed. Maybe on projection, but based on performance it may not be difficult for Chavis to meet or exceed Devers MLB numbers so far: www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=17350&position=3BAlso, Devers has had a UZR of -4.6 and -4.5 at third base in 2017 and 2018. He might be better than Chavis, I have no clue, but that doesn't mean he's got good range. He doesn't. False narrative. He's been a bad 3rd baseman in MLB so far. Holt saw a eye doctor recently. He doesn't even sound close at the moment. So Chavis if he pushes, could force the situation for other people in the roster to be moved but himself moving forward.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2019 17:59:48 GMT -5
Cora told the media that Chavis will be playing 1B and 3B. In other words, this is a kick in the ass for Devers. I don't hate it. This I don’t love. If he’s up, play him some. If you play him, stick him at 2B. I suspect he’ll be as good as CVaz.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 19, 2019 19:37:08 GMT -5
Cora told the media that Chavis will be playing 1B and 3B. In other words, this is a kick in the ass for Devers. I don't hate it. I know i scorched the idea of calling Chavis up earlier, but that was under the assumption that he would be getting called up to start at 2nd. That said, I’m still not crazy about it, I’d rather he was playing every day (which would necessarily keeping him in the minors at this point).
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 19, 2019 20:32:04 GMT -5
Rafael with a 1 for 3, 2B so far tonight and a great play at 3rd to start a DP. Can’t see Chavis displacing him yet. Second base’ perhaps, with Nunez, Pedroia and Holt MIA. That’s where the pressing need is.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 19, 2019 21:51:47 GMT -5
Also, Devers has had a UZR of -4.6 and -4.5 at third base in 2017 and 2018. He might be better than Chavis, I have no clue, but that doesn't mean he's got good range. He doesn't. False narrative. He's been a bad 3rd baseman in MLB so far. Holt saw a eye doctor recently. He doesn't even sound close at the moment. So Chavis if he pushes, could force the situation for other people in the roster to be moved but himself moving forward. Maybe you should look at the stat that matters, UZR/150 which is a rate rather than counting stat. Certainly looks like improvement, especially for a freaking 22 year old who should be in AA if he wasn't the hitter he is.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2019 22:32:05 GMT -5
Also, Devers has had a UZR of -4.6 and -4.5 at third base in 2017 and 2018. He might be better than Chavis, I have no clue, but that doesn't mean he's got good range. He doesn't. False narrative. He's been a bad 3rd baseman in MLB so far. Holt saw a eye doctor recently. He doesn't even sound close at the moment. So Chavis if he pushes, could force the situation for other people in the roster to be moved but himself moving forward. Maybe you should look at the stat that matters, UZR/150 which is a rate rather than counting stat. Certainly looks like improvement, especially for a freaking 22 year old who should be in AA if he wasn't the hitter he is. I thought defensive stats were useless in crazy small sample sizes?😆
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 19, 2019 23:02:14 GMT -5
Devers 191 games at 3B -15 DRS, 43 errors, .923 field %, league average is.957 %, range factor per 9 2.66, league average 2.64. That is well below average, not slightly below. Also his range numbers haven't been good, yet they are up this year in a very small sample size.
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Post by marrcus on Apr 20, 2019 1:16:33 GMT -5
Given Pedroia's situation Chavis is needed at 2b but Cora doesn't sound like he wants to try him there. And maybe for good reason IDK?
Until JBJ goes on his streak they could really use another bat. It took 3hr's to get the job done tonight and it would be nice to see this team mash a little bit until the starters find their way back.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2019 7:47:02 GMT -5
Maybe you should look at the stat that matters, UZR/150 which is a rate rather than counting stat. Certainly looks like improvement, especially for a freaking 22 year old who should be in AA if he wasn't the hitter he is. I thought defensive stats were useless in crazy small sample sizes?😆 It is, but using UZR over UZR/150 is ridiculous. The only reason it was done is to make it look like he did not improve in 2018 over 2017.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 21, 2019 9:37:51 GMT -5
Here’s a great great article on what it’s actually like to experience being called up to the majors. This excerpt and especially the quote, "I'm going to the big leagues, dude, I don't know what's happening." Pretty much sums it up. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26569305
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 21, 2019 9:41:30 GMT -5
Here’s a great great article on what it’s actually like to experience being called up to the majors. This excerpt and especially the quote, "I'm going to the big leagues, dude, I don't know what's happening." Pretty much sums it up. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26569305I think if I were in his position (or any other major league ready player) I would have had a bag packed like I was about to have a baby with my wife, ready to go at any point. Great story.
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Post by brendan98 on Apr 24, 2019 12:24:25 GMT -5
Was curious what folks thoughts are regarding Chavis at 2B? Defensively, is it a possibility he can be a regular at the position, or is he more of an emergency option only?
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Post by ramireja on Apr 24, 2019 12:37:07 GMT -5
Some of this might be redundant with video interviews taken from after his debut, but I love this Fangraphs piece. His upbeat and candid nature can make him a fan favorite in Boston.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 24, 2019 13:00:20 GMT -5
Some of this might be redundant with video interviews taken from after his debut, but I love this Fangraphs piece. His upbeat and candid nature can make him a fan favorite in Boston. I really liked that article. I agree that he’s apparently the type of personality who makes a great ambassador and who fans rally around. Of course, performance will be part of that, and looking at his stats this year, there were a few things that struck me. For one, he’s putting up a .300 iso over the two levels. He’s also had pretty bad BABIP luck, which I’d expect to turn aroundgiven how hard he hits the ball, and his ability to go up the middle. But what *really* has me excited is that his BB and K rates, which tend to stabilize pretty quickly, are both improved over last year. Pre-promotion his walk rate was 14%...I believe stabilization occurs around 50-60 PA (he had 48), and post-promotion he’s walked at 7% in limited PA. He’s starting to look like a guy whose selectivity is getting *good*, and I certainly think his hit tool rating of 40 by fg is light. I think he settles in as a 50 or better with very good discipline. AND LOOK AT THE K RATE! He cut it down under 20% in AAA and has continued right around 20% in MLB...all of that whole putting up that .340 or so IsoP this year. And again, K rates stabilize quickly so this development seems real. Chavis could be a better bat than we’d thought...let’s hope the defense surprises us as well. Easy guy to root for.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 7, 2019 15:19:25 GMT -5
Years of watching, waiting and talking about Chavis then he gets called up, goes on a 10 game stretch where he is about the best hitter in baseball and what do I read? Crickets, isn't this what we are here for?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 7, 2019 17:39:36 GMT -5
Did Chavis miss the cutoff date to having a extra free agent year out of Chavis as the CBA is constructed right now?
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Post by ericmvan on May 8, 2019 0:52:05 GMT -5
Years of watching, waiting and talking about Chavis then he gets called up, goes on a 10 game stretch where he is about the best hitter in baseball and what do I read? Crickets, isn't this what we are here for? Lots of discussion in the game threads.
But here's a good one: since Chavis's debut, there have been 46 balls hit in MLB with a projected distance of 435' or more, by 38 different players. Chavis has 4 of them. Ketel Marte has 3, and Gary Sanchez, Jorge Soler, and Nelson Cruz have 2 (but both shorter than Chavis' shortest). Chavis has the 6th longest, 3 of the 26 longest and 4 of the 36 longest. Sanchez is the only guy who has a longer longest homer and a longer second-longest.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2019 1:15:36 GMT -5
Years of watching, waiting and talking about Chavis then he gets called up, goes on a 10 game stretch where he is about the best hitter in baseball and what do I read? Crickets, isn't this what we are here for? It’s funny to read this thread now. He looks like he can be a solid defensive 2b, he can back up 3b, and he’s been a revelation as a hitter. He’s very clearly evolving, and pretty quickly🤣🤣
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 8, 2019 5:31:41 GMT -5
Did Chavis miss the cutoff date to having a extra free agent year out of Chavis as the CBA is constructed right now? I believe he passed it with at least a week to spare. We should have him for 6++ years.
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Post by James Dunne on May 8, 2019 5:46:51 GMT -5
Years of watching, waiting and talking about Chavis then he gets called up, goes on a 10 game stretch where he is about the best hitter in baseball and what do I read? Crickets, isn't this what we are here for? It’s funny to read this thread now. He looks like he can be a solid defensive 2b, he can back up 3b, and he’s been a revelation as a hitter. He’s very clearly evolving, and pretty quickly🤣🤣 This is anecdotal, but he looks better at 2B to me than 3B. I feel like it's become easier to mask mediocre range at second than a mediocre release at third. I think the range at third seems pretty good though.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 8, 2019 5:52:03 GMT -5
Did Chavis miss the cutoff date to having a extra free agent year out of Chavis as the CBA is constructed right now? I believe he passed it with at least a week to spare. We should have him for 6++ years. Oh okay, good because I don't see him going down to Pawtucket at any point now that he's up here and producing.
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Post by brendan98 on May 8, 2019 6:47:59 GMT -5
0 for his last 10, hopefully he can put an end to his mini-slump tonight.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 8, 2019 7:25:46 GMT -5
Years of watching, waiting and talking about Chavis then he gets called up, goes on a 10 game stretch where he is about the best hitter in baseball and what do I read? Crickets, isn't this what we are here for? Lots of discussion in the game threads.
But here's a good one: since Chavis's debut, there have been 46 balls hit in MLB with a projected distance of 435' or more, by 38 different players. Chavis has 4 of them. Ketel Marte has 3, and Gary Sanchez, Jorge Soler, and Nelson Cruz have 2 (but both shorter than Chavis' shortest). Chavis has the 6th longest, 3 of the 26 longest and 4 of the 36 longest. Sanchez is the only guy who has a longer longest homer and a longer second-longest.
I figured that was the case about the game threads, I just haven't been paying as much attention to those lately as the B's and C's are in the playoffs. Glad to get this conversation going though. Love those stats on distance, is that based on exit velo?
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Post by voiceofreason on May 8, 2019 7:30:26 GMT -5
It’s funny to read this thread now. He looks like he can be a solid defensive 2b, he can back up 3b, and he’s been a revelation as a hitter. He’s very clearly evolving, and pretty quickly🤣🤣 This is anecdotal, but he looks better at 2B to me than 3B. I feel like it's become easier to mask mediocre range at second than a mediocre release at third. I think the range at third seems pretty good though. I have always thought that it is easier to hide defensive mediocrity at 2nd and still do but after watching Pedey thru the years can see the added value of range there. Then there is the turning double plays aspect which is big. I do like Chavis at 2nd and as a serviceable backup at 3rd. That is a big bat a 2nd though!!
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Post by James Dunne on May 8, 2019 7:46:40 GMT -5
To me, you can hide mediocrity at third base as well, but you have to have a quick release. At second base, there are more ways to be okay at it and more ways to hide any specific deficiency. And the more precise that defensive positioning gets, and the more the shift limits the range a second baseman needs to cover, the more you can hide those deficiencies to get a Chavis-type bat there. Obviously if you can get a plus defensive 2B who can also hit (Pedroia, Chavis, Kinsler, Altuve), then that's obviously a huge advantage. But provided you don't have an All-Star, I think it makes more sense to sacrifice a little bit on defense there for a little bit of offense in a way that maybe didn't make sense 30 years ago.
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