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Post by ramireja on Sept 18, 2020 11:42:52 GMT -5
ProspectsLive provide a new post and analysis of an old start (June 27, 2019) while he was with Salem. Fantastic level of detail and includes video. Someone who has watched him more can correct me if I'm off, but he seems to be a guy who often has better command of his secondaries (at least his CB) than he does his FB. I'm hoping there are some gains to his FB command (something Abbot has recently suggested) this season because his ceiling is really high IMO. I love his CB and CU for bat missing potential and his cutter for inducing weak contact. I've always been enamored with the ability to pair above average K% with above average GB%.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 18, 2020 16:14:03 GMT -5
Great videos. So this is a kid who seems to have too much stuff! At least 4 pitches, and he can vary the spin on the cut fastball and the changeup. Throw in location around the zone and that's what, maybe a few dozen pitch combinations? He's all of 21 so on the learning curve but nowhere near the summit. If he can harness a good deal of it he looks like a starter to my eyes.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 18, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Oct 18, 2020 10:27:38 GMT -5
What is the future of Mata anyway? Especially if the Sox draft Leiter or Hill. I mean I guess he could still be a starter if they decide to make Houck a closer. But if not where do they put him. It seems like Groome had better sim games this season. Then you add Noah Song into the mix as well. Could Mata be made a reliever or closer to help the bullpen?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2020 10:39:24 GMT -5
That makes no sense, before either of them make the majors, ERod and Eovaldi will be free agents. How they use Mata will have nothing to do with who they draft or when Groome or Song are ready or how they use Houck. If Mata is one of the best 5 starters on the team, that's what he will be.
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Post by ortiz34 on Oct 18, 2020 11:54:28 GMT -5
That makes no sense, before either of them make the majors, ERod and Eovaldi will be free agents. How they use Mata will have nothing to do with who they draft or when Groome or Song are ready or how they use Houck. If Mata is one of the best 5 starters on the team, that's what he will be. True. Forgot about Free Agency. E-Rod might not stay if he wants a big number. Ownership may walk due to E-Rods injury history.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2020 12:22:22 GMT -5
That makes no sense, before either of them make the majors, ERod and Eovaldi will be free agents. How they use Mata will have nothing to do with who they draft or when Groome or Song are ready or how they use Houck. If Mata is one of the best 5 starters on the team, that's what he will be. True. Forgot about Free Agency. E-Rod might not stay if he wants a big number. Ownership may walk due to E-Rods injury history. I was thinking about his situation. ERod is a free agent after 2022. He got a year service time this year but won't get a raise because of not playing. In a hypothetical world, that makes him a year cheaper than what he should be. Again in a hypothetical world, if healthy, in 2021, he will also be a bargain in 2022 because arbitration carries salaries forward. Not meaning any disrespect medically but, that might work out well for the Red Sox because he could be a very valuable trade chip after 2021. The reason it might work out well is that gives the Sox another year of evaluations on Pivetta and Houck, Mata, Groome, Ward and Seabold at the top of the prospect chain. More information is never a bad thing. As of now, the Sox don't have a lot of money coming off the books next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2020 19:50:31 GMT -5
No team in baseball history has complained about having too many starting pitchers.
If he can start, they'll find a way to start him.
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Post by bcsox on Mar 6, 2021 10:21:38 GMT -5
The update on Mata is by far the worst news of the spring. Hopefully he goes the Tanaka route and can avoid surgery.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 6, 2021 10:23:32 GMT -5
I'm being a good poster and not talking in the injury news thread.
With the news that Mata has a slight UCL tear, but they are going for treatment instead of TJ. Can anyone think of a case where that worked? Price is the only one that comes to mind.
Also, always remember that Tricep is code for UCL worry.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 6, 2021 10:28:07 GMT -5
I'm being a good poster and not talking in the injury news thread. With the news that Mata has a slight UCL tear, but they are going for treatment instead of TJ. Can anyone think of a case where that worked? Price is the only one that comes to mind. Also, always remember that Tricep is code for UCL worry. Tanaka?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 6, 2021 10:59:40 GMT -5
They're calling it a very slight tear. This seems more like a situation in which they caught it early and surgery isn't warranted than it being of some size but they're trying to avoid surgery because of the timetable. But that is me reading into second hand reporting of Cora's second hand relaying of the prognosis.
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Post by ianrs on Mar 6, 2021 11:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2021 11:55:14 GMT -5
Just give him surgery. He’ll have to get it next year and next thing you know he’ll have basically gone 3 years without playing live action. For every Tanaka situation there’s 100 Chris Sale situations.
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Post by manfred on Mar 6, 2021 11:59:28 GMT -5
I have faith. UCL partial tears have high non-surgical rates of recovery — though *where* the tear is plays a huge part. I assume the Sox aren’t going to Dr. Nick Riviera, so they are likely confident this will work.
Hey, man... if people are gunna trust Bloom in other things, why not trust the doctors?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 7, 2021 16:31:53 GMT -5
Here is a video that is about Whitley but applies to Mata as well. Talks about where the tear needs to be for PRP to be able to fix it. Cora seemed pretty confident so hopefully is the best case scenario.
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Post by patford on Mar 7, 2021 20:11:00 GMT -5
Waiting around and wishing for the best is generally a bad idea when it comes to TJ but I think there are other factors. If it's a very minor tear I do think that letting it heal can have positive long term effects. The ligament is stretched out and when it heals perhaps more resilient. That could be the case with Price. Fingers crossed. Certainly before the TJ surgeries there must have been many pitchers who had sore arms and recovered. A lot of it might come down to how in tune with their body a player is.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Mar 7, 2021 20:43:56 GMT -5
Mata ... sonyata Bryan ... we're cryin'
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 14, 2021 12:24:35 GMT -5
Definitely not the way we wanted this to go. Timeline looks like the end of next year for a return. The question is does he return as a starter or in the bullpen.
Silver lining. He’ll still be 23 years old when he returns.
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Post by chr31ter on Apr 14, 2021 12:25:19 GMT -5
Not. Good.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 14, 2021 12:32:29 GMT -5
Honestly, it's good news. Get it over with now, rather than wait and let it heal and have him miss two full seasons.
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Post by nomar on Apr 14, 2021 12:37:37 GMT -5
Glad they didn’t draw it out any longer than this. Horrible break though. Hopefully he can come back and be himself but he might miss 3 seasons of baseball and that is a huge hurdle.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 14, 2021 12:51:24 GMT -5
Let me ask something to the guys understanding some of the kind of obscure rules.. Mata is now unfortunately down now all season and a lot of 2022. my question is options.. He's been optioned already this year. Would this surgery, in the eventuality he takes some time to fully come back possibly lead to him getting 4 options eventually.. Like Brandon Workman did? Does that make sense?
Don't get me wrong, was hoping Mata would make his appearance by the AS break this season, but of course it's not happening. Looking towards future possibilities is all.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 14, 2021 12:57:41 GMT -5
Disappointing to hear, but not a surprise and almost certainly the right decision. The RS clearly wanted him to have the surgery on a timeeable that would get him back on a minor league mound by the end of the 2022 season.
He was born in May 1999, so he'll be 23 when he pitches again late next season. Under a best-case scenario, he'd make it to The Show at some point in 2022 at the age of 24. The surgery and the lack of a minor league season in 2020 are definitely big setbacks for him to overcome.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 14, 2021 13:23:09 GMT -5
So who pitches first, Mata or Song?
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