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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2017 10:11:36 GMT -5
Bryan Mata to Greenville per Ben Badler on Instagram.
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Post by alnipper on May 23, 2017 10:12:16 GMT -5
The Sox either think highly of him, or are wanting to showcase him. With DD running things I had to mention the showcasing. I am excited to see scouting reports of him in Greenville.
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Post by Costigan on May 23, 2017 10:13:54 GMT -5
I definitely thought he'd open in Lowell, this is a surprise.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 23, 2017 10:23:34 GMT -5
I definitely thought he'd open in Lowell, this is a surprise. I agreed with you. I think this is good sign. The front definitely likes his stuff and he may be more polished than we thought. For reference, Xander was promoted to Greenville during the season.
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2017 10:24:43 GMT -5
Career Notes: Impressed at 2016 Fall Instructional League. Fit description of unnamed player whom Red Sox declined to include in trade talks during 2016-17 offseason.
From his page here ^
I never heard that before. Where did it come from?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2017 10:50:46 GMT -5
Career Notes: Impressed at 2016 Fall Instructional League. Fit description of unnamed player whom Red Sox declined to include in trade talks during 2016-17 offseason. From his page here ^ I never heard that before. Where did it come from? Assuming you mean the second part, Dombrowski went on WEEI and said there was a player who one of the other teams they traded with in December (I believe he didn't say whether it was the Brewers or White Sox) asked about that the Sox declined to include in the deal. I forget precisely what the description was, but it was something like he was Venezuelan, pitched well in the DSL and came up to Instructs. I do remember that it only fit Mata and Ritzi Mendoza, so it was pretty obviously Mata. Stood out at the time because it meant, at the very least, they liked Mata better than Pennington or Diaz, depending on which team it was.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 23, 2017 11:00:45 GMT -5
Interesting to see when he pitches. Will he take Shawaryn's spot (either tomorrow or his next turn) with Shawaryn getting he bump to Salem?
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2017 11:08:12 GMT -5
Dombrowski was very aggressive with pitcher promotions in Detroit. This is the third 18-year-old (that I can tell) that he's had in Low A in two years with the Red Sox. I'm not sure it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's pretty clearly a thing. Will be hard to evaluate next year though, since there are no international free agent phenoms they can have in the DSL this year then Greenville next year.
Side note on the drum I'm going to continue beating - it's pretty dumb that Mata is Rule 5 eligible a full year after the rest of his 2015-16 signing class when they debuted at the same time. If they'd signed him in August rather than January he'd have the exact same experience but he'd be draft eligible earlier. How is that system good for anyone?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2017 11:26:08 GMT -5
1) On Mata, fwiw, there's reportedly not much difference between the NYPL talent and the SAL talent. To me, sending a guy to Greenville before Lowell starts signifies that the club thinks a player has outgrown XST more than it means he's outgrown Lowell. Also probably speaks to off-field maturity in that they don't think he needs a season in the ULowell dorms, transitioning from Ft. Myers into the "real" minors. But I agree with James' point that they're getting more aggressive under Dombrowski (although we should maybe analyze further and see if it's more of a Crockett thing before assuming it's all DD).
2) It's actually not even quite apples-to-apples with Espinoza and Radues, as those two both pitched in the GCL, albeit briefly in the latter case. I could be forgetting someone, but to my recollection, the universe of Sox guys who skipped both U.S. short-season levels from the DSL in recent memory is Bogaerts, Victor Diaz, and Eddy Reynoso. The latter two were both old, and Reynoso is basically the bullpen catcher. Am I forgetting someone?
3) On the Rule 5 point - that's true as far as getting a guy into games, but the guys that sign on J2 versus January do have all of that time working out at the Academy, which isn't nothing. I will concur to the extent that the Rule 5 rules are stupid as related to IFA signees, and that the development time described above doesn't necessarily equal Rule 5-relevant time, though. It's not even July versus January - it's July versus as early as late August, as we learned with the Basabes, if the DSL club doesn't make the playoffs.
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Post by doctorduck21 on May 23, 2017 11:37:24 GMT -5
Aggressive promotion but I'm excited to see how Mata does in Greenville. Seems like the Red Sox are high on his potential. Don't know alot about Mata myself so this will be interesting to watch
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Post by jimed14 on May 24, 2017 15:05:19 GMT -5
I also just noticed that his rating here is 2-7 (4), which makes him only the 3rd prospect with that 7 upside joining Devers and Groome.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2017 14:55:42 GMT -5
In Mata's second start, he did something that Anderson Espinoza only accomplished 1 time in his 17 Greenville starts (or 25 starts if you include his time in the Midwest League). He pitched 6 innings. Very impressive to see him so efficient in Single-A at an age where we would be considering his draft position as a HS senior if he were from the US.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2017 12:04:04 GMT -5
....and now, as Hatfield mentioned on twitter, Mata has completed 6 innings twice in his three starts, surpassing Espinoza's total in all of last year (25 starts).
Super impressed with his efficiency, but just to keep things in check, he recorded 8 swings and misses (on 80 pitches, so 10% swinging strike rate), which isn't otherworldly. Reports had him sitting at 90-91, so this isn't Espinoza level stuff. That said, his efficiency and results are super impressive coming from a guy who skipped entirely over the GCL/Lowell, and perhaps suggests a pitchability wrinkle in his game that I wasn't anticipating this soon.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2017 12:40:48 GMT -5
Those reports online from a beat writer are likely from the stadium gun, so I'm not putting a ton of credence into them. I don't think they're way off or anything, but we had him 88-92, topping out at 93 in ST. I wouldn't be surprised if the stadium gun was 1 mph slow. Also wouldn't be surprised if it was right either.
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Post by SALNotes on Jun 11, 2017 23:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2017 13:21:30 GMT -5
Speier points out in 108 Stitches today that Mata is averaging under 13 pitches per inning. That's insane efficiency for an 18-year-old in the Sally.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 12, 2017 14:09:32 GMT -5
Speier points out in 108 Stitches today that Mata is averaging under 13 pitches per inning. That's insane efficiency for an 18-year-old in the Sally. Are they any key factors that scouts or stats would say are drivers of efficiency? The obvious thing is obviously the ability to throw strikes. But that doesn't always translate into this type of efficiency (high K rate pitchers, for instance, aren't always so efficient. So is it a skill than can - or could be - pinned to something? My guess would be solid command and inducing weak contact. Is there more to it than that?
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Post by SALNotes on Jun 12, 2017 15:01:43 GMT -5
Speier points out in 108 Stitches today that Mata is averaging under 13 pitches per inning. That's insane efficiency for an 18-year-old in the Sally. Are they any key factors that scouts or stats would say are drivers of efficiency? The obvious thing is obviously the ability to throw strikes. But that doesn't always translate into this type of efficiency (high K rate pitchers, for instance, aren't always so efficient. So is it a skill than can - or could be - pinned to something? My guess would be solid command and inducing weak contact. Is there more to it than that? He was consistently hitting the glove down and away from righties with the fastball. They were swinging early in counts and beating the ball into the ground.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2017 15:02:18 GMT -5
Speier points out in 108 Stitches today that Mata is averaging under 13 pitches per inning. That's insane efficiency for an 18-year-old in the Sally. Are they any key factors that scouts or stats would say are drivers of efficiency? The obvious thing is obviously the ability to throw strikes. But that doesn't always translate into this type of efficiency (high K rate pitchers, for instance, aren't always so efficient. So is it a skill than can - or could be - pinned to something? My guess would be solid command and inducing weak contact. Is there more to it than that? Is Greenville's defense better than normal? Inducing weak contact is definitely a skill, but it usually doesn't show up in stats until the defenses get a lot better moving up.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 1, 2018 11:35:23 GMT -5
Just giving this thread a bump.
Bryan Mata is the third ranked prospect of this site but he seems under the radar-ish to me. He is projected to start his age 19 season in Salem so a promotion to AA later this year is not out of the question. If anyone in Ft. Myers has seen him, fill us in on what you see. The latest information on his player page says he has a projectable frame. Is he starting to fill out?
To the staff, please spend a good bit of time watching him so we can hear about it on the next podcast (shameless plug for the SP Podcast gang).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 21, 2018 12:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2018 13:59:06 GMT -5
Was he usually 93-94 in the first inning last year?
Or does anyone think that's an uptick in velocity?
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 21, 2018 14:03:40 GMT -5
Was he usually 93-94 in the first inning last year? Or does anyone think that's an uptick in velocity? I have asked Josh Norris if this was a legit or juiced gun and also whether he sustains this velo beyond the first inning. Curious if he'll respond. We'll be expecting Chris and Ian to report on this as well, when they get there this weekend.
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Bryan Mata
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2018 14:10:43 GMT -5
Was he usually 93-94 in the first inning last year? Or does anyone think that's an uptick in velocity? I have asked Josh Norris if this was a legit or juiced gun and also whether he sustains this velo beyond the first inning. Curious if he'll respond. We'll be expecting Chris and Ian to report on this as well, when they get there this weekend. Really hard not to get excited by this. This kid knows how to pitch. All he has to do is mature physically.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Mar 21, 2018 18:03:58 GMT -5
Was he usually 93-94 in the first inning last year? Or does anyone think that's an uptick in velocity? I have asked Josh Norris if this was a legit or juiced gun and also whether he sustains this velo beyond the first inning. Curious if he'll respond. We'll be expecting Chris and Ian to report on this as well, when they get there this weekend. I saw 93 on two different guns in the first inning today- the Red Sox gun and the Rays gun. Didn't see any other guns during his next few innings as I was more focused on the other game. I do know he gave up some runs in innings after the first one mentioned above.
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