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7/3-7/5 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 3, 2017 23:19:58 GMT -5
Super win - fascinating game. Nice pitching by Hembree. To bed happy!
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Post by radiohix on Jul 3, 2017 23:20:01 GMT -5
Tzu-Wei Lin drawing walks in the clutch. He good.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 3, 2017 23:21:34 GMT -5
Huge win tonight!
Benintendi is clutch!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 3, 2017 23:25:18 GMT -5
Quality win. Looked like that would be the type of game they'd let slip away, but they didn't. They've been playing very well lately. It's been nice to see. Helluva game by Pedroia on offense and defense - that play in the 9th was huge.
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Post by marrcus on Jul 3, 2017 23:28:19 GMT -5
Team is playing some GREAT ball lately."
Yes, while sitting at 29 in MLB in HR's with power up? On the Bb show last night the consensus was that they are good. Also that they can't move to very good without some power addition.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 3, 2017 23:35:52 GMT -5
Another game where we score 7 runs without a single homer. Though we did give up 3 of them. Good to come away with a W.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 3, 2017 23:55:50 GMT -5
Quality win. Looked like that would be the type of game they'd let slip away, but they didn't. They've been playing very well lately. It's been nice to see. Helluva game by Pedroia on offense and defense - that play in the 9th was huge. They've had the same type of game (One run lead, first batter in the 9th and Kimbrel gives a BOMB) against Toronto a few months ago and they won it. You're too skeptical my friend
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 4, 2017 0:43:29 GMT -5
Team is playing some GREAT ball lately."Yes, while sitting at 29 in MLB in HR's with power up? On the Bb show last night the consensus was that they are good. Also that they can't move to very good without some power addition. Sorry. I don't buy it at all. Their run differential is the third best in the league, behind only the Yankees and the Astros in the AL. NY has been an early-season run-scorning machine but I don't see them keeping up that pace, while the Astros are legit, no doubt. In the end that's the only thing that matters: outscoring your opponents. Talking heads got to talk. Doesn't mean it has to make sense or that we have to take them seriously if they can't do arithmetic.
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Post by gerry on Jul 4, 2017 2:29:18 GMT -5
At all. Besides, with a majority of 2nd half games at Fenway, expect tons of doubles from everyone. That is in addition to most everyone heating up and restoring at least some of that HR balance; plus potential from Devers, Brentz, others. At the same time the Rotation and Pen should continue to improve and grow stronger over the next couple of months (see progress from Porcello, Pomz, Price, Fister, ERod, Smith, Beeks). The pitching staff have been a major part of the Sox run differential and wins. And, IMO, their rock solid D lately should continue to improve with the contributions of Lin and Marrero.
Even if their HR and power numbers do increase, I hope they maintain their aggressive, run producing running game, and grinding at bats. So fun for us fans to watch. So frustrating for other teams.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 4, 2017 2:59:14 GMT -5
Figures I would knock the way Pedroia plays the game while he's having one of his best ever exactly because of said intensity. What a player. Great leader by example too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2017 3:18:09 GMT -5
The Sox needed last night's win with Darvish going against the Sox later tonight. That's not a great matchup on paper against Price and the Sox but we will see how it plays out.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 4, 2017 5:45:19 GMT -5
A guy like Lin is key to the bench. Some speed, bunting ,defense. I am to getting carried away. So what are they gonna do when Panda is healthy have him take up space? Devers is on fire. I mean except a bullpen piece I don't want DD dong anything crazy for this team. Not for nothing but we have those bullpen pieces on DL.
Don't get me wrong I want it all but I know the price we have to pay. This team needs a 3b, I feel Devers will take that but we have holes at 1b and DH in the future. Travis can help but I rooting for Okimey because he has power and I am rooting for Chavis now because of the power. I don't know the fire for Moreland. I don't want to get crazy about hm either. This should get interesting in the future also.
I spelled Lin wrong.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2017 6:02:44 GMT -5
A guy like Win is key to the bench. Some speed, bunting ,defense. I am to getting carried away. So what are they gonna do when Panda is healthy have him take up space? Devers is on fire. I mean except a bullpen piece I don't want DD dong anything crazy for this team. Not for nothing but we have those bullpen pieces on DL. Don't get me wrong I want it all but I know the price we have to pay. This team needs a 3b, I feel Devers will take that but we have holes at 1b and DH in the future. Travis can help but I rooting for Okimey because he has power and I am rooting for Chavis now because of the power. I don't know the fire for Moreland. I don't want to get crazy about hm either. This should get interesting in the future also. I mean the decision is pretty easy moving forward. Now that the Royals are in buy mode and Moustakas is off the table, you maybe trade for a Lowrie or Frazier this year, maybe you don't. Marrero is not doing bad in that platoon role at the moment surprisingly. You DFA Sandoval. The Sox just have to so this. It's the best thing for the organization. Sends a message that you put the best team on the field, no matter how much the player is being paid. Lin is playing himself for a bench role for now and the future. Brock Holt has a great chance to be non-tendered or traded this off-season imo. You can't count on Okimey or Chavis panning out. I think the Sox should splurge just *once* this off-season and sign JD Marinez to play first base next year and also be the back-up outfielder at times (obviously they have to teach him the new position but I think he could handle it). Sam Travis is a organizational filler at DH and first base or a future trade piece (you never know how long Hanley will ever stay healthy, even at the DH position). It's only a matter of time before we see Devers. You also wait for Carson Smith to comeback. This bullpen actually might have too many good pitchers really soon when Smith and Eduardo comes back.
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Post by jchang on Jul 4, 2017 6:19:09 GMT -5
*sigh* Is there anything more annoying than LOOGYs not getting LHB out? I guess LOOGYs walking LHB is worse. L0OGY
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 4, 2017 6:34:24 GMT -5
Tzu-Wei Lin drawing walks in the clutch. He good. Is that you Hawk?😀
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Post by Guidas on Jul 4, 2017 7:12:33 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 4, 2017 7:44:33 GMT -5
This is such a great win, I think games like this are just as important as come from behind victories. Good teams will be able to chip away and come back on you at times and being able to stop their momentum in the final hour and steal the victory is yuuuuuge. Huge, sorry.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
Quality win. Looked like that would be the type of game they'd let slip away, but they didn't. They've been playing very well lately. It's been nice to see. Helluva game by Pedroia on offense and defense - that play in the 9th was huge. They've had the same type of game (One run lead, first batter in the 9th and Kimbrel gives a BOMB) against Toronto a few months ago and they won it. You're too skeptical my friend I'm a long time fan, have watched/seen more that 5000 Red Sox games, and after a time you find that when your team is going somewhere they usually find a way to win these games and when it's not your team's year they usually let these type of games slip away. In the worst case scenario the Red Sox will play at least one crucial October game with a good chance they play at least three crucial October games (last year they unfortunately played the minimum number of games a division winner could play). This is a strange season with all the parity in the AL. I know Houston is kicking butt but I don't see them as a juggernaut especially if Keuchel doesn't come back healthy. The Yankees still worry me. The Red Sox have been handled by them head-to-head and I think they're better than people think they are, although I don't think they're hardly insurmountable either. If Porcello and Price pitch the way they did last season, E-Rod comes back healthy, Kelly or somebody emerges as a reliable bridge to Kimbrel, Hanley and Betts have the 2nd halves they had last year, JBJ stays consistent, and the Red Sox get a 3b who can hit with some power, not be an automatic out, and field his position, the Sox could become a juggernaut themselves - the way Houston has played thus far.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 4, 2017 10:14:33 GMT -5
In 2004 and 2013 they won these type of games but I actually remember them blowing a lot of games in 2007 especially because I was at several of them.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2017 10:24:25 GMT -5
In 2004 and 2013 they won these type of games but I actually remember them blowing a lot of games in 2007 especially because I was at several of them. 2007 was kind of strange in that it almost felt like the Red Sox were trying to re-enact the 1978 season, secure in the knowledge that they at least had the wild card, unlike their 78 counterparts. They had a 14 game lead and started to blow it. The Yankees got off to an awful start and then caught fire and narrowed the lead to 1.5 games before it seemed like Torre backed off the troops opting to rest his players (just as Francona was doing) instead of trying to the division - the effect of the Wild Card back then. The Red Sox beat up the Yankees pretty good early that season, but the Yankees were beating the Sox up pretty well by the end of the season. I was very relieved the Indians knocked out the Yankees and I felt they had removed a big obstacle from the Red Sox' path while the Sox were beating up on a very injury depleted Angels team, which makes it kind of ironic that the 2016 Sox couldn't handle the injury depleted Indians team of 2016, which the Jays couldn't either and the Cubs barely could. After the Sox got off to that blistering start in 2007, it's like we spent the rest of the season waiting for them to play up to their talent level. Finally, at the greatest time possible, Game 5 of the ALCS, it happened, and they never lost again. They bludgeoned the Indians 30-5 over the final 3 games and destroyed the formerly blazing but idled Rockies by 29-10, making it 59-15 over the final 7 games! Talk about talent blasting through - it was some explosive talent. The 2007 team was probably the most talented of the 3 champions, but for some reason they always had that middle child Jan Brady vibe about them. And if you're talking that way about a championship, then you KNOW you're spoiled. I never could have had such a thought prior to 2004.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2017 10:34:07 GMT -5
Idk, 2007 was the best championship from start to finish I've ever seen from a Sox team. Beckett was great from start to finish. So was Ortiz, Manny, Papelbon, Okajima, Pedrioa, Mike Lowell, Youk. Just a awesome team in general.
I remember seeing Beckett throw 99 mph in game 1 of the ALDS against the Angels and said to myself "here comes playoff Beckett, this is exactly why the Sox gave up Hanley." He threw one of the best playoff games by a starting pitcher in Sox history, going the complete game striking out at least 10 with 2 hits allowed.
I loved that 2007 the most. Just utter dominance from a 97 win Sox team.
Edit- I remember seeing Manny take the best at bat I have ever seen in my life in Game 5 against CC Sabathia with the bases loaded down by a run. He took 2 strikes to start behind in the count 0-2. Manny then took a waste pitch. After that, he took a pitch 1 inch off the outside corner from CC. I crapped my pants, it was called a ball. Literally CC threw the next pitch in the same exact spot. I crapped my pants again. He then took ball 4 to tie the game with a walk completely unfazed. I'll never forget that. Best at bat I have ever seen in my life and Manny didn't even take the bat off his shoulders.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 4, 2017 11:03:42 GMT -5
Idk, 2007 was the best championship from start to finish I've ever seen from a Sox team. Beckett was great from start to finish. So was Ortiz, Manny, Papelbon, Okajima, Pedrioa, Mike Lowell, Youk. Just a awesome team in general. I remember seeing Beckett throw 99 mph in game 1 of the ALDS against the Angels and said to myself "here comes playoff Beckett, this is exactly why the Sox gave up Hanley." He threw one of the best playoff games by a starting pitcher in Sox history, going the complete game striking out at least 10 with 2 hits allowed. I loved that 2007 the most. Just utter dominance from a 97 win Sox team. Edit- I remember seeing Manny take the best at bat I have ever seen in my life in Game 5 against CC Sabathia with the bases loaded down by a run. He took 2 strikes to start behind in the count 0-2. Manny then took a waste pitch. After that, he took a pitch 1 inch off the outside corner from CC. I crapped my pants, it was called a ball. Literally CC threw the next pitch in the same exact spot. I crapped my pants again. He then took ball 4 to tie the game with a walk completely unfazed. I'll never forget that. Best at bat I have ever seen in my life and Manny didn't even take the bat off his shoulders. Quality post, I remember that Beckett start too. What really suprises me is how quickly it feels like I have forgotten what a complete wizard Manny was at the plate. Maybe it was Papi having the career he did or Manny ending it the way he did. Manny really was the most professional (in terms of taking/seeing pitches) at bat I ever saw in clutch situations. Even if he struck out it was at least an 8 pitch war with him fouling one straight back and cursing himself for ever letting such a pitch beat him. Nostalgia, ill take this time to privately thank Manny for his WS and winning contributions. As for this thread, Pedey ought to finally be boosting the mythical fangraphs run saved metrics totals.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 4, 2017 11:15:00 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2017 11:46:13 GMT -5
Idk, 2007 was the best championship from start to finish I've ever seen from a Sox team. Beckett was great from start to finish. So was Ortiz, Manny, Papelbon, Okajima, Pedrioa, Mike Lowell, Youk. Just a awesome team in general. I remember seeing Beckett throw 99 mph in game 1 of the ALDS against the Angels and said to myself "here comes playoff Beckett, this is exactly why the Sox gave up Hanley." He threw one of the best playoff games by a starting pitcher in Sox history, going the complete game striking out at least 10 with 2 hits allowed. I loved that 2007 the most. Just utter dominance from a 97 win Sox team. Edit- I remember seeing Manny take the best at bat I have ever seen in my life in Game 5 against CC Sabathia with the bases loaded down by a run. He took 2 strikes to start behind in the count 0-2. Manny then took a waste pitch. After that, he took a pitch 1 inch off the outside corner from CC. I crapped my pants, it was called a ball. Literally CC threw the next pitch in the same exact spot. I crapped my pants again. He then took ball 4 to tie the game with a walk completely unfazed. I'll never forget that. Best at bat I have ever seen in my life and Manny didn't even take the bat off his shoulders. Manny and Ortiz were the scariest 1-2 punch. It was always when can we get to that part of the order and can we get men on base for them? Beckett was nails that year, but my favorite was Hideki Okajima. He came out of nowhere, had 0% of the publicity that Daisuke and his gyro-ball (what a crock that was!!!) got, but he had that violent head jerk downward so that he never saw where the pitch was going. I remember 1 AB in which Barry Bonds had no idea what to do with him. He gave up a run and then practically nothing until after the all-star break. One of my favorite memories from that season was the 4 consecutive HR game against NY (Manny, Drew, Lowell, and Tek) in a game they barely won 7-6. That season was totally baseball - nothing bigger than that. 2004 was so much more meaningful to me. The season itself after a nice early start where they beat NY 6 of 7 was fun, but it was drudgery until they had their wakeup call against A-Rod and the Yankees. And August, particularly that stretch where they went 20-2 and 34-12 was unlike anything I've ever seen - they were destroying everything in their path. And the post-season was legendary. Ok, the World Series was a coronation rather than a Series, but after the ALCS, who could take anymore drama? And that 2004 team had such personality. How could you not love that fun loving wackiness that they had? No prickly David Price personalities in that bunch. 2013 was very special, given what happened on Patriots Day. And the 2013 Sox were consistently excellent from beginning to end, constantly clutch, and they always had you shaking your head, wondering when the magic carpet ride would end and reality would come calling - which is what happened in 2014. David Ortiz willed that team through the playoffs. He would not let them lose, even when they looked outgunned at times, couldn't hit, lacked pitching depth, whatever. And it was funny how when the Cardinals finally gave up pitching to him in Game 6, his teammates finally took over and brought it home. And it was very special when they put the World Series trophy with the 617 jersey on the finish line. The Red Sox did everybody proud in 2013 - such an easy team to root for.
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Post by jchang on Jul 4, 2017 12:15:28 GMT -5
What sticks in my mind for 2007 was delcarmen and okijima being stoppers. We would go in the 7th inning with a small lead, the other team had to go to middle reliever, we opened a big lead, and pap watches. I think he pitched 50 innings in regular season. Delcarmen lost his confidence in the post season. Becket pitch 8 in game of the finals. In games 2 and 3, the starters went 5+, oki and pap pitched 2 each to close the game. In game 4, oki ran out of gas, but pap was still strong to close it out
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