|
Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 18, 2017 15:29:16 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 18, 2017 15:54:17 GMT -5
For the love of god Carson, save our prospects.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2017 16:51:44 GMT -5
The Sox will probably make a trade here regardless, but if you have Smith and another option for the 8th innings. Then you have Kelly and Barnes for the middle innings, you're absolutely loaded and ready to go for the post-season. That bullpen can hang with anyone.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,907
|
Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2017 17:21:36 GMT -5
If he comes back the same guy, that would be incredible. Would provide relief and a big improvement in the setup role. Probably too much to bank on, but I'd rather be creative in our bullpen acquisition than trade a good prospect for a bigger name reliever.
|
|
|
Post by bnich on Jul 18, 2017 17:24:04 GMT -5
Smith hasn't pitched in a game in over a year, not to mention no high leverage innings because of his TJ surgery. Even if he does finally come back this season, I don't think you can count on him as a back end of the bullpen reliever this late in the season. Just look at how long it has taken Workman to bounce back. Smith has already had plenty of set backs during his recovery.
|
|
|
Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 18, 2017 22:02:36 GMT -5
Smith hasn't pitched in a game in over a year, not to mention no high leverage innings because of his TJ surgery. Even if he does finally come back this season, I don't think you can count on him as a back end of the bullpen reliever this late in the season. Just look at how long it has taken Workman to bounce back. Smith has already had plenty of set backs during his recovery. Aside from the comparison of a mediocre reliever to a top setup man, that's just one case. We really don't have any idea what we can expect from Smith without more information as return from TJ can take 12 months, 18 months or they can never make it back at all.
|
|
|
Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 19, 2017 1:39:34 GMT -5
Think pen will be fine until he gets back. Having Workman sitting 94-95mph now with the nasty curve he used to have doesn't hurt anything. Decision should be on whom he should replace permanently until Smith returns.
|
|
|
Post by larrycook on Jul 20, 2017 19:41:07 GMT -5
Would we be better off getting smith ready for 2018 instead of pushing him to come back this year?
|
|
|
Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 21, 2017 0:55:42 GMT -5
Would we be better off getting smith ready for 2018 instead of pushing him to come back this year? Typically the only risk is a minor injury due to the time off or ineffectiveness once he returns. So I don't see anything to gain by pushing off his recovery. His second bullpen went well and he will have a 3rd on Friday. If that goes well then presumably he would have 3 rehab stints before returning. So looks like August 1st possibly. bosoxinjection.com/2017/07/20/red-sox-injury-update-joe-kelly-carson-smith-progressing-well/
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2017 7:55:11 GMT -5
Plus, any experience this year is helpful for next year. It seems not like they are rushing him back quickly.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 21, 2017 9:00:05 GMT -5
Plus, any experience this year is helpful for next year. It seems not like they are rushing him back quickly. Just a little cautious, as they should be coming back from major surgery. Personally, I think Smith will be dynamite coming back if healthy. The question has never been his stuff or command. He was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball 2 years ago.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,907
|
Post by nomar on Jul 21, 2017 9:04:30 GMT -5
Plus, any experience this year is helpful for next year. It seems not like they are rushing him back quickly. Just a little cautious, as they should be coming back from major surgery. Personally, I think Smith will be dynamite coming back if healthy. The question has never been his stuff or command. He was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball 2 years ago. You never know for sure with this stuff. And for all we know, maybe they'll tweak something about his mechanics to put less stress on his arm, and he may have to adjust to that. Fingers crossed though, because I'm the little I've seen of him he was electric. The highlights of his sinker were insane.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 21, 2017 9:26:00 GMT -5
Just a little cautious, as they should be coming back from major surgery. Personally, I think Smith will be dynamite coming back if healthy. The question has never been his stuff or command. He was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball 2 years ago. You never know for sure with this stuff. And for all we know, maybe they'll tweak something about his mechanics to put less stress on his arm, and he may have to adjust to that. Fingers crossed though, because I'm the little I've seen of him he was electric. The highlights of his sinker were insane. His stuff is just eye candy. He doesn't give up homeruns, and he almost gets every out recorded with either groundballs or strikeouts. I just hope the doctor wrapped his new ligament tight.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2017 9:28:01 GMT -5
I wonder if his high stress delivery is what is taking him so long to come back? It might just take him longer to be comfortable with the stress on his elbow. But that delivery is also what made him dominant so I don't think they would change it.
I do find it a little hard to believe he only needs 3 rehab appearances after being out for 16 months.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 21, 2017 9:42:54 GMT -5
The shoulder has been the problem of his comeback so far. Which could be both good and bad news. Meaning the elbow should be feeling good about now but now there could be more problems in his arm due to his delivery.
Hopefully it's just a flare up after not pitching for so long. I think that's most likely the case.
It may or may not take 3 rehab stints, that stuff is all guesses at this point. If he finds his command quick, it could be that quick. I have a lot of faith that he will find it that quickly though. He had really good command before the injury.
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,416
|
Post by radiohix on Jul 21, 2017 18:16:55 GMT -5
Let's pray as hard as we can my brothers!
|
|
|
Post by m1keyboots on Jul 22, 2017 10:54:51 GMT -5
I ask jobu to come, take fear from arm
|
|
radiohix
Veteran
'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
Posts: 6,416
|
Post by radiohix on Aug 2, 2017 16:06:23 GMT -5
This could be huge for the final run.
|
|
|
Post by ryan24 on Aug 3, 2017 7:14:03 GMT -5
This could be huge for the final run. That is good news. Be interesting to see how Dave plays this. I would not think they will rush him back. Many people think he will not be back until September call ups.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 3, 2017 7:23:15 GMT -5
Carson should be up before September. I would guess 2 and a half weeks away until we see him in Boston.
It all depends on his command. If his command is there, the Sox aren't going to waste his innings in the minors for too long. Workman is a guy they could send down for 2 weeks and then bring right back up in September.
Carson Smith is one of the best arms on this team and was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball in 2015. As long as he has his command and is pain free, the Sox should ship him up here as soon as those two things happen.
Carson Smith is one of the very few players that you have to create a roster spot for imo.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2017 10:11:00 GMT -5
Smith hasn't pitched in a game since May 2016. It's very possible he's not up until September.
|
|
|
Post by ryan24 on Aug 3, 2017 10:49:43 GMT -5
Smith hasn't pitched in a game since May 2016. It's very possible he's not up until September. Totally agree with the September call up. There is no emergency to bring him up sooner. Understand the innings thing.
|
|
|
Post by borisman on Aug 4, 2017 5:44:26 GMT -5
Smith hasn't pitched in a game since May 2016. It's very possible he's not up until September. I don't see the Sox keeping him down in the minors for 4 weeks. He's ready to pitch in games on a rehab assignment. Unless he has some kind of setback I think he will be up before September. Edit: the only issue I foresee is finding roster space if Sox want to bring him up before September.
|
|
|
Post by ramireja on Aug 4, 2017 8:36:17 GMT -5
I mean Workman has been rehabbing and pitching in games for months, and only recently has his velocity returned. Just because he is ready for a rehab assignment doesn't mean he's ready to face major league hitters. Lets at the very least get a report on how he looks while on rehab before predicting when we might see him in Boston.
|
|
|
Post by raftsox on Aug 4, 2017 8:56:14 GMT -5
There's no rush to bring him back either. The Sox can take their time even if his rehab assignment is over since they can option him to the minors to make sure that he's actually ready; I'd hate to see him come up and be terrible for a month.
|
|