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Post by James Dunne on Aug 4, 2017 9:01:26 GMT -5
There's no rush to bring him back either. The Sox can take their time even if his rehab assignment is over since they can option him to the minors to make sure that he's actually ready; I'd hate to see him come up and be terrible for a month. Or get hurt again... This is not the time or the player to be pushing an aggressive timetable with. To get, what... like 4 innings of work in August? If he's ready faster, awesome. If it takes him the whole month to rehab, that's fine too.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 4, 2017 14:04:02 GMT -5
Carson should be up before September. I would guess 2 and a half weeks away until we see him in Boston. It all depends on his command. If his command is there, the Sox aren't going to waste his innings in the minors for too long. Workman is a guy they could send down for 2 weeks and then bring right back up in September. Carson Smith is one of the best arms on this team and was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball in 2015. As long as he has his command and is pain free, the Sox should ship him up here as soon as those two things happen. Carson Smith is one of the very few players that you have to create a roster spot for imo. That would be an awful mistake and one this team has a habit of making only because Workman has options. Workman has been one of the most consistent relievers on this team over the last month and has shown he's back to that 2013 for after over 2y of rehab and injury issues. Why on earth would anyone send down the most consistent reliever this team has had the last month? Isn t it just easier to jettison Abad and go without the lefty specialist that isn't even one of those? Wait until 9/1 to call up Smith? It took Workman 2 full seasons to get over TJ.. Why lose what IS working?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2017 14:24:50 GMT -5
Carson should be up before September. I would guess 2 and a half weeks away until we see him in Boston. It all depends on his command. If his command is there, the Sox aren't going to waste his innings in the minors for too long. Workman is a guy they could send down for 2 weeks and then bring right back up in September. Carson Smith is one of the best arms on this team and was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball in 2015. As long as he has his command and is pain free, the Sox should ship him up here as soon as those two things happen. Carson Smith is one of the very few players that you have to create a roster spot for imo. That would be an awful mistake and one this team has a habit of making only because Workman has options. Workman has been one of the most consistent relievers on this team over the last month and has shown he's back to that 2013 for after over 2y of rehab and injury issues. Why on earth would anyone send down the most consistent reliever this team has had the last month? Isn t it just easier to jettison Abad and go without the lefty specialist that isn't even one of those? Wait until 9/1 to call up Smith? It took Workman 2 full seasons to get over TJ.. Why lose what IS working? I'd waive Boyer first. There are so many RH RP in AAA that are at least his equal that it's no loss if he's claimed. Plus, they need the 40 man spot.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 4, 2017 14:46:59 GMT -5
Boyer can be the flip player to go also over Abad. Neither is controllable beyond this season. Only reason choice was Abad is Boyer is capable of going multiple innings, tho in a few weeks Velazquez should be on the roster and that problem solved somewhat.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 4, 2017 15:24:07 GMT -5
Carson should be up before September. I would guess 2 and a half weeks away until we see him in Boston. It all depends on his command. If his command is there, the Sox aren't going to waste his innings in the minors for too long. Workman is a guy they could send down for 2 weeks and then bring right back up in September. Carson Smith is one of the best arms on this team and was one of the 5 best relievers in baseball in 2015. As long as he has his command and is pain free, the Sox should ship him up here as soon as those two things happen. Carson Smith is one of the very few players that you have to create a roster spot for imo. That would be an awful mistake and one this team has a habit of making only because Workman has options. Workman has been one of the most consistent relievers on this team over the last month and has shown he's back to that 2013 for after over 2y of rehab and injury issues. Why on earth would anyone send down the most consistent reliever this team has had the last month? Isn t it just easier to jettison Abad and go without the lefty specialist that isn't even one of those? Wait until 9/1 to call up Smith? It took Workman 2 full seasons to get over TJ.. Why lose what IS working? Well in theory, they would only need to keep Workman in the minors for 2 weeks until rosters expanded anyways. It'd be to protect depth really. By September you could have Abad, Smith, Workman, and everyone else except for maybe Boyer. Boyer hasn't been half bad but he seems like the odd man out if the Sox need a spot.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 5, 2017 17:22:12 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 5, 2017 17:28:07 GMT -5
Yuck. J/K. I imagine the main goal was to get in a game and not get hurt for the first one. It's to be expected after not pitching to live batters in 18 months. I imagine it'll be a lengthy rehab.
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Post by bnich on Aug 5, 2017 17:41:45 GMT -5
18 pitches and 5 strikes. That's pretty ugly.
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Post by soxinnj on Aug 5, 2017 18:03:43 GMT -5
Anybody there to comment on what they saw? How was the velo and action on his fastball, even if he couldn't control it?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 5, 2017 18:08:51 GMT -5
Fastball up to 91 according to WEEI. Nothing alarming. He'll build strength, but this is probably more of a indicator that he'll need the whole month to comeback.
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Post by bnich on Aug 5, 2017 19:09:47 GMT -5
Fastball up to 91 according to WEEI. Nothing alarming. He'll build strength, but this is probably more of a indicator that he'll need the whole month to comeback. Easily. He hasn't faced professional hitters in a game in 17 months.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2017 9:14:58 GMT -5
Christopher SmithVerified account @smittyonmlb 11h11 hours ago
Boston Red Sox's Carson Smith to pitch in second rehab game at Triple-A Pawtucket on Tuesday
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 7, 2017 13:47:42 GMT -5
Christopher SmithVerified account @smittyonmlb 11h11 hours ago Boston Red Sox's Carson Smith to pitch in second rehab game at Triple-A Pawtucket on Tuesday Sea Dogs are down in Richmond. Makes sense.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 9, 2017 11:25:15 GMT -5
Carson got through a largely clean inning for Pawtucket - any news on velocity/control/pitch mix?
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 9, 2017 11:28:26 GMT -5
Carson got through a largely clean inning for Pawtucket - any news on velocity/control/pitch mix? If you're on twitter and not following Ian, you should be.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 9, 2017 11:38:40 GMT -5
For context on that 91mph, Masslive.com notes that he averaged 92.9 in 2014 and 93.7 in 2015
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 13, 2017 23:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by michael on Aug 14, 2017 11:44:11 GMT -5
In order to be eligible for post season, doesn't he have to be on the 25 man roster or the D/L as of 8/31? Does rehab qualify him for PS play? All above only if he's pitching well enough to be of value.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Aug 14, 2017 12:15:48 GMT -5
In order to be eligible for post season, doesn't he have to be on the 25 man roster or the D/L as of 8/31? Does rehab qualify him for PS play? All above only if he's pitching well enough to be of value. I believe the player just has to be in the organization by 9/1 to be postseason eligible. Still wouldn't count on Smith being part of that unless he comes back at his old level. Think he'll probably get some September innings to use as a springboard into 2018 more likely
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 14, 2017 12:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by michael on Aug 14, 2017 12:33:19 GMT -5
Not the 10 day D/L, as well?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2017 12:40:30 GMT -5
Not the 10 day D/L, as well? You have to be on the 40 man roster to be on the 10 day DL so that's redundant.
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Post by jmei on Aug 14, 2017 12:41:19 GMT -5
If you're on the 10-day DL, you're by definition on the 40-man roster.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 14, 2017 14:16:59 GMT -5
Actually, in practice, you just have to be in the organization. There's a stupid clause that says that anyone who's been on the 60-day DL for 60 days can be replaced with someone not on the 40-man. That's how the Angels got Francisco Rodriguez eligible years ago. It makes no sense because guys on the 60-day have already been replaced on the 40-man. I could see a rule saying that any player who goes on the 60-day after 9/1 and who has a minimum number of PA, or IP / G, can be replaced in that fashion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2017 15:51:45 GMT -5
Yeah, the Royals literally purchased Raul Mondesi's contract between the ALCS and World Series in 2015. You just have to be in the org.
Red Sox will still have like 5 guys on the 60-day come playoff time, so they'll have plenty of flexibility.
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