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Post by ericmvan on Aug 14, 2017 22:23:45 GMT -5
Actually, in practice, you just have to be in the organization. There's a stupid clause that says that anyone who's been on the 60-day DL for 60 days can be replaced with someone not on the 40-man. That's how the Angels got Francisco Rodriguez eligible years ago. It makes no sense because guys on the 60-day have already been replaced on the 40-man. I could see a rule saying that any player who goes on the 60-day after 9/1 and who has a minimum number of PA, or IP / G, can be replaced in that fashion. Actually, no pitchers should be eligible. You always have sufficient depth on the 40-man for both starters or relievers. The purpose of the rule should be to cover a contingency where a late injury leaves a team without sufficient depth at a specific position on the field. For instance, it's not unheard of to have just 2 catchers on the 40-man. The Red Sox right now have no extra OFers on the 40-man. Here's the rule they should have: A position player may be replaced on the post-season roster by a player who was in the organization but not on the 40-man roster on 8/31 if: 1) He was placed directly on the 60-day DL subsequent to 8/31, or was moved there after being placed on the 10-day DL after 7/31. and 2) He either started half his team's games or more, or was on the active roster continually, from after the All-Star Break until his placement on the DL. Which is to say, he either gets hurt after 8/31, or you discover that he's not coming back from a post-trade deadline injury. And he has to have been a regular of some sort.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 19, 2017 5:07:03 GMT -5
Devers doesn't qualify as a regular in your mind??
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 19, 2017 7:06:22 GMT -5
Devers doesn't qualify as a regular in your mind?? I just re-read the last 8-10 posts and have no clue what you are referring to.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 19, 2017 14:35:35 GMT -5
I don't trust Joe Kelly in the playoffs.
The Sox need Carson Smith for the playoffs this year. Get this guy healthy.
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Post by tonyc on Aug 19, 2017 14:57:55 GMT -5
Prior to getting hurt Joe had quite a long streak without giving up runs, he needs more innings to get back. Anyone hear of scouting on Carson last night?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 19, 2017 15:19:47 GMT -5
Prior to getting hurt Joe had quite a long streak without giving up runs, he needs more innings to get back. Anyone hear of scouting on Carson last night? His peripherals didn't match his results. He had been getting away with a lot of good luck prior to getting injured.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 21, 2017 23:01:23 GMT -5
Recap from tonight's game:
Fellow rehabber Carson Smith, in his fifth appearance with the PawSox as he continues his comeback from Tommy John surgery, fired a 1-2-3 sixth inning highlighted by a pair of strikeouts. Smith first got a gentle comebacker that he handled on his own before he used a fastball and slider, respectively, for his punchouts. Smith's fastball was consistently clocked between 90 and 91 MPH. "Overall, that one [slider] to finish with two strikes, that's the kind of sweep and depth that he can get with that pitch," Boles said. "He's got plus life to his pitches. He throws Wiffle balls up there. It's pretty impressive."
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Post by rivenp on Aug 22, 2017 2:32:08 GMT -5
Recap from tonight's game: Fellow rehabber Carson Smith, in his fifth appearance with the PawSox as he continues his comeback from Tommy John surgery, fired a 1-2-3 sixth inning highlighted by a pair of strikeouts. Smith first got a gentle comebacker that he handled on his own before he used a fastball and slider, respectively, for his punchouts. Smith's fastball was consistently clocked between 90 and 91 MPH. "Overall, that one [slider] to finish with two strikes, that's the kind of sweep and depth that he can get with that pitch," Boles said. "He's got plus life to his pitches. He throws Wiffle balls up there. It's pretty impressive." great to hear...considering the all the hubub on the game thread regarding using barnes in the 8th, it would be great if smith could come back even 90% of what he previously was...a few more outings like this in a row...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 22, 2017 4:29:23 GMT -5
I would promote Smith and send down Barnes tomorrow. I don't think it would hurt to see a better reliever for a extra 9-10 days in August while Barnes refinds the strikezone all over again.
Took Carson Smith all of 3-4 appearances to find his command like I thought he would. I don't think it's worth it to wait around and see Matt Barnes keep failing in high leverage situations, but the Sox probably will wait regardless.
We got to wait and remind ourselves how good this guy is with the rehab stints, and surprise surprise, he's striking batters out and inducing weak ground balls all over again. He's one of the best pitchers the Sox have right now. They should just get him here and not waste his high quality innings in AAA.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 22, 2017 9:39:56 GMT -5
Prior to getting hurt Joe had quite a long streak without giving up runs, he needs more innings to get back. Anyone hear of scouting on Carson last night? His peripherals didn't match his results. He had been getting away with a lot of good luck prior to getting injured. Kelly's peripherals don't much his stuff, either. He has an insanely low swing-and-miss-rate for a guy who throws as hard as he does. So, is it a coincidence that he also a low BABIP and low HR/FB? Or is some of that weak contact real?
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2017 9:47:38 GMT -5
Joe Kelly has had great stuff and a low swing-and-miss-rate relative to his stuff pretty much his entire career (542.2 IP), yet he's only modestly outperformed his peripherals (career 3.81 ERA, 4.11 FIP, 4.12 xFIP). Some of the weak contact is probably real, but the bulk of his outperformance of his peripherals so far this season is probably not.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 24, 2017 8:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 24, 2017 9:05:03 GMT -5
That looks like the poison he was throwing in Seattle before the trade and the injury. The velocity isn't quite where it was but I'd guess that will happen also as he gets more comfortable and gains more confidence in the refurbished arm.
Add: That .gif really gives a feeling for how much torque he puts on the arm to get that sort of movement.
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Post by jiant2520 on Aug 28, 2017 20:13:47 GMT -5
Just leaving the Paw Sox game in Buffalo and Carson pitched the 8th... didn't look great... not horrible either.
He sat 91-92, mostly 91.
Got the first two to ground out to SS and 3B, but then he lost the strike zone... pitching coach came out... next batter allowed a base hit up the middle, then the next batter hit a hard liner to 3B for the final out.
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Post by jiant2520 on Aug 28, 2017 20:17:27 GMT -5
He pitched the 7th, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 14:30:02 GMT -5
Carson activated, Martin DFA. Why on earth did they DFA Martin? They need him next year when Abad is FA.
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Post by Coreno on Sept 7, 2017 14:41:59 GMT -5
Why exactly do they need a Right handed middle reliever so bad?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2017 14:44:18 GMT -5
Carson activated, Martin DFA. Why on earth did they DFA Martin? They need him next year when Abad is FA. Because he was behind the following pitchers on the RP depth chart, all of whom are on the 40-man: Kimbrel Workman Kelly Barnes Hembree Scott (L) Smith Maddox Taylor Thornburg Ross (L) Johnson (L) And meanwhile, the club also might want to add Shepherd and Buttrey to protect them from Rule 5. And there are other pitchers like Wright, Elias (L), and perhaps Beeks (L) or Owens (L) who may wind up as relievers next year on the 40-man. Also, not sure why you're making the reference to Abad - you know Martin is not a LHP, right?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 7, 2017 14:44:32 GMT -5
Carson activated, Martin DFA. Why on earth did they DFA Martin? They need him next year when Abad is FA. They needed the 40 man spot. Also, Martin isn't LH, and Abad types are a dime a dozen. So are Kyle Martin's
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 18:11:21 GMT -5
Carson activated, Martin DFA. Why on earth did they DFA Martin? They need him next year when Abad is FA. They needed the 40 man spot. Also, Martin isn't LH, and Abad types are a dime a dozen. So are Kyle Martin's He is like Abad bcz he can do long relief which Boston is lacking.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 7, 2017 21:48:49 GMT -5
They needed the 40 man spot. Also, Martin isn't LH, and Abad types are a dime a dozen. So are Kyle Martin's He is like Abad bcz he can do long relief which Boston is lacking. Anyone can do that. And Wright should be in the bullpen next year.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Sept 7, 2017 21:54:23 GMT -5
They needed the 40 man spot. Also, Martin isn't LH, and Abad types are a dime a dozen. So are Kyle Martin's He is like Abad bcz he can do long relief which Boston is lacking. Since when did abad become our long reliever?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2017 22:39:46 GMT -5
They needed the 40 man spot. Also, Martin isn't LH, and Abad types are a dime a dozen. So are Kyle Martin's He is like Abad bcz he can do long relief which Boston is lacking. ? Abad has pitched more than two innings once all season. He has thrown more than 30 pitches just twice. Half of his appearances have been for less than an inning. He is the opposite of a long reliever. I also don't think there's any reason to consider Martin is a long reliever. Red Sox minor league relievers throw two innings in their outings a lot in order to give them an opportunity to do things like get back up after sitting for half an inning and use all of their pitches. This is just part of how they typically rotate their guys so they all get work. But it's not like he was some piggyback starter going 4 or 5 innings a pop. He went more than 2 innings 7 times in 35 appearances this year. I don't want to be mean here, but are you confusing both of these guys with other pitchers? Your point just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 8, 2017 17:15:22 GMT -5
I was well asleep when Carson pitched. For anyone who saw, what kind of velocity did he display? I think he used to be 95 or so....
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Post by ramireja on Sept 8, 2017 17:39:04 GMT -5
I was well asleep when Carson pitched. For anyone who saw, what kind of velocity did he display? I think he used to be 95 or so.... Fangraphs had his avg velocity at 92.3 (compared to 93.5 in 2015 and 94.6 in 2014).
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